Hellmuth loses a pot then instantly quits Live at the Bike stream..Then gets needled by Robbi Lew

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The most crazy thing about this is, that Robbi is playing again. As for the hand its obviously a bit of a cooler situation. But maybe Phil could have saved himself the last 50k, when there were 4 to a flush on the river. He was getting a good price, but how often is this line a hand, that KK can beat? Of course thats easy to say as someone just watching from the sideline :)
 
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He wasn't frustrated by calling off the 50k river bet.

I think he was genuinely fed up with how he was running. At that point, calling it off rather than being shown the bluff was easier for him to take.

Poker has that impact on you from time to time.
 
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Has there ever been a high stakes cash game where Phil left as winner?

Sure it's very entertaining watching him tilt and rage quit, but after getting crushed year after year at those games, one has to realise maybe he doesn't belong there playing that game and stick to mtts.
 
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Has there ever been a high stakes cash game where Phil left as winner?
In "Big Game" I think, he had 1 winning session out of 7. He actually started up in many of the other sessions, but time and time again things fell apart, and more often than not he ended up basically losing his entire 100k buyin.
 
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Has there ever been a high stakes cash game where Phil left as winner?

Sure it's very entertaining watching him tilt and rage quit, but after getting crushed year after year at those games, one has to realise maybe he doesn't belong there playing that game and stick to mtts.

His overall record in the High Stakes Duel series is 9-2.

I think he won 'poker after dark' like 3 times. He claims to have won more than $11m playing cash games, and when Negreanu scoffed, Helmuth accepted the challenge and crushed the GTO wizard !

Those were cash games right?
 
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Deep stack poker just doesn't seem to be Phil's game... I mean, he can't even beat amateurs that have no idea about poker(like the YouTubers game with MrBeast...) and he always complains at the tables- 'worse session I had in 15 years', 'biggest idiot', 'what the fk are you doing?!' and other rants that can't be reproduced here... Phil can be a really bad loser and I'm a simple man, I see Phil Hellmuth meltdowns and I click lol
 
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Typically Phil, he plays bad, and get angry on himself, he get sucked in like a big whale.
 
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No actually both "High Stakes Duel" and "Poker After Dark" are / were tournaments. Which if anything prove the point, that Phil Helmuth is better at tournaments :)


Those were both actually 'winner take all cash games' , in one table tournament format for TV...but nothing to be gained in arguing.


Worth arguing is the perception of actual High Stakes Cash Games involving players playing quite literally for their own cash. They're not!

For a start they're paid to go on...and they are not really winner take all as with the above format.

If two players generate a massive "$1.5 million record pot, never been seen on TV before ohhh ohhh, John Cena " they're actually not playing for it.

They often negotiate a pot reduction and 'off camera' take some of their money back. Run it four times etc.

So when you read someone saying Hellmuth wasn't very good at cash games, who are they comparing him to?

Gus Hansen lost $20m online. So is he a terrible cash game player and better off sticking to tourneys?


These top pro's joining these hi roller events sell each other action (like CC Leifan lol) and share the spoils, soft play etc.

The goal isn't to mug each other in Bobby's room. It's to share the money taken from rich businessmen or celebs that join the table.

Who shares with the Poker Brat? I wouldn't know...but they're getting a good return.
 
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Typically Phil, he plays bad, and get angry on himself, he get sucked in like a big whale.

Just leave him alone god dammit.

Everyone is out to get poor Phil.
 
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Those were both actually 'winner take all cash games' , in one table tournament format for TV...but nothing to be gained in arguing.
High Stakes Dual is a heads-up tournament. The original form of High Stakes Poker was a 6-man winner takes all tournament. There is no ICM in these formats, but that does not mean, they are cash games. Blinds go up, and players can not reload. These are both important points, because Phil Helmuths main weakness in cash games is playing with a deep stack. And also adjusting to the idea, he dont know in advance, how much he might lose. He almost never reload in high stakes televised cash games, which is absolutely insane, if you think, you are a winning player.
 
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Those were both actually 'winner take all cash games' , in one table tournament format for TV...but nothing to be gained in arguing.


Worth arguing is the perception of actual High Stakes Cash Games involving players playing quite literally for their own cash. They're not!

For a start they're paid to go on...and they are not really winner take all as with the above format.

If two players generate a massive "$1.5 million record pot, never been seen on TV before ohhh ohhh, John Cena " they're actually not playing for it.

They often negotiate a pot reduction and 'off camera' take some of their money back. Run it four times etc.

So when you read someone saying Hellmuth wasn't very good at cash games, who are they comparing him to?

Gus Hansen lost $20m online. So is he a terrible cash game player and better off sticking to tourneys?


These top pro's joining these hi roller events sell each other action (like CC Leifan lol) and share the spoils, soft play etc.

The goal isn't to mug each other in Bobby's room. It's to share the money taken from rich businessmen or celebs that join the table.

Who shares with the Poker Brat? I wouldn't know...but they're getting a good return.
The way you are saying you are almost implying they are playing for Zynga Chips.

If that was the case, why Hellmuth is always buying for the table minimum, playing like a nit and raging when he loses a pot?
 
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Stop chasing Robbi, what obcession with her! What was her fault? Having won to a "pro" (who dont like to lost)?
Having read very well his bluff and then having made a call to his 3bet allin of Bluff and won to him 200k +?... lol
By whe way was checked and demonstrated that Robbi did not cheat but was more intelligent than his opponent.

Horrible call of Hellmuth with 4 diamonds on the board! As you can see there are incredibles calls....and they are made by pro, recreationals, men and women...
 
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High Stakes Dual is a heads-up tournament. The original form of High Stakes Poker was a 6-man winner takes all tournament. There is no ICM in these formats, but that does not mean, they are cash games. Blinds go up, and players can not reload. These are both important points, because Phil Helmuths main weakness in cash games is playing with a deep stack. And also adjusting to the idea, he dont know in advance, how much he might lose. He almost never reload in high stakes televised cash games, which is absolutely insane, if you think, you are a winning player.

You hit the nail on the head, there is no ICM. They could quite literally have put the $50k on the table in grubby dollars, and it wouldn't have mattered.
The way you are saying you are almost implying they are playing for Zynga Chips.

If that was the case, why Hellmuth is always buying for the table minimum, playing like a nit and raging when he loses a pot?

Why don't you all just stop picking on him...it's quite upsetting.

I can see I'm going to have to get nasty


Hellmuth
 
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Are you sure Phil? The only way to get out of a hole is to keep digging… lmao that’s pure gold right there poor Phil😂🤣😂
 
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The whole universum is up site down if my kings cant hold god dam it :love:
 
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Phil can be a really bad loser and I'm a simple man, I see Phil Hellmuth meltdowns and I click lol
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Yeah, it's difficult not to watch.

On a serious note, I think we've all been there and if he was having a bad session up to that point, and then to lose like that is not easy to digest. So, IMO, he took the right decision leaving since he felt the way he did. Not a good idea to keep playing a cash game when on tilt, so good for him to leave.
 
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You hit the nail on the head, there is no ICM. They could quite literally have put the $50k on the table in grubby dollars, and it wouldn't have mattered.


Why don't you all just stop picking on him...it's quite upsetting.

I can see I'm going to have to get nasty


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We are talking about losing large sums of money while playing high stakes poker and you post a pic of him winning a bracelet.

So you do agree that he should stick to tournaments.
 
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We are talking about losing large sums of money while playing high stakes poker and you post a pic of him winning a bracelet.

So you do agree that he should stick to tournaments.


I don't care tbh...wasn't it obvious?

Thinking you're in a position to judge him made me laugh, so got involved.
 
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The most crazy thing about this is, that Robbi is playing again. As for the hand its obviously a bit of a cooler situation. But maybe Phil could have saved himself the last 50k, when there were 4 to a flush on the river. He was getting a good price, but how often is this line a hand, that KK can beat? Of course thats easy to say as someone just watching from the sideline :)

I honestly think that the buy in threw Hellmuth to a serious degree - he was out of his comfort zone.

Ever since last year when he got ridiculed for his endless nitty play and small buy ins at cash games, and he promised he would buy in 'bigger', I felt there was a strong chance he would make something of a fool of himself. It's not as though he is incapable of a winning session, of course he is. But, we all know Hellmuth. If he is not playing/running good he is going to start losing it...and with him upping his own stakes he was going to get inside his own head. It's as though he is convincing himself in the wrong spots, if he just blusters and asserts himself, a hand will come good.

Regarding Robbi. Yeah, odd she showed at Live At The Bike rather than Hustlers but at least she confirms the fact she is not very pleasant. She wasn't in the hand yet can't resist the snide dig in against Hellmuth. Easy pickings, so graceless and unnecessary.
 
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