Disqualified from 2017 WSOP - Joseph Stiers Sues Caesars. Your Thoughts?

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So are any of you following this story? If not I'd highly recommend you check it out. Not only is it highly entertaining but it could set a few new regulations and rules in the poker world? If your not familiar this guy is a former gambler from Maryland who got caught and banned for counting cards in Black Jack then entered the wsop under a false name and cashed in 2016. In 2017 he tried to do it again but drew too much attention to him self. ( I think they said 600k stack day 3) security nabs him and ejects him. Wsop voids his entry and pulls his chips from play. Now he's filing suits against them both? It's a circus and may open doors for who knows how many rule changes? For example if his entry was void shouldn't anyone he knocked out be back in? Part of his suit says if they had blinded off his stack instead of pulling it he would have cashed? Which means someone else wouldn't have? It could get really interesting? Check it out I'd like to hear what anyone else thinks about it?
 
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So are any of you following this story? If not I'd highly recommend you check it out. Not only is it highly entertaining but it could set a few new regulations and rules in the poker world? If your not familiar this guy is a former gambler from Maryland who got caught and banned for counting cards in Black Jack then entered the WSOP under a false name and cashed in 2016. In 2017 he tried to do it again but drew too much attention to him self. ( I think they said 600k stack day 3) security nabs him and ejects him. Wsop voids his entry and pulls his chips from play. Now he's filing suits against them both? It's a circus and may open doors for who knows how many rule changes? For example if his entry was void shouldn't anyone he knocked out be back in? Part of his suit says if they had blinded off his stack instead of pulling it he would have cashed? Which means someone else wouldn't have? It could get really interesting? Check it out I'd like to hear what anyone else thinks about it?
It cut off the name google Joesph Stiers
 
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If he used a false name to enter, i don't think he has a leg to stand on. It proves that there was intent to defraud the casino. He knew he was not supposed to be there and did it anyway, therefore he has no right to sue. Just my two cents...
 
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If he used a false name to enter, i don't think he has a leg to stand on. It proves that there was intent to defraud the casino. He knew he was not supposed to be there and did it anyway, therefore he has no right to sue. Just my two cents...
So he used a false name in 2016 and cashed and got away with it. 2017 he used his real name and they caught him.his name was on a banned list where he had been labeled a card counter I guess? The whole thing is pretty wild.
 
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So he used a false name in 2016 and cashed and got away with it. 2017 he used his real name and they caught him.his name was on a banned list where he had been labeled a card counter I guess? The whole thing is pretty wild.



Very wild indeed. Will be an interesting case to follow.
 
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I don't see how counting cards in blackjack has anything to do with playing poker,,,,it's like banning a baseball player for betting on,,,,,,,Oh nevermind! :banghead:
 
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This is a very interesting story that I misses!! Thanks!! And yeah, casinos look after each other, so I thinks it's fair he got banned.
 
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I don't see how counting cards in blackjack has anything to do with playing poker,,,,it's like banning a baseball player for betting on,,,,,,,Oh nevermind! :banghead:
Lol exactly and it doesn't. They ejected him because he was banned from all Harrah's properties? Even though he wasn't on the casino floor he was on the property.
 
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If he used a false name to enter, i don't think he has a leg to stand on. It proves that there was intent to defraud the casino. He knew he was not supposed to be there and did it anyway, therefore he has no right to sue. Just my two cents...

So he used a false name in 2016 and cashed and got away with it. 2017 he used his real name and they caught him.his name was on a banned list where he had been labeled a card counter I guess? The whole thing is pretty wild.
He did use a false name in 2017 as well.

Here's an article we just did about it yesterday: Player Disqualified from 2017 WSOP Main Event Sues Caesars

I agree with Slacker. He was banned for life. He knew this, and even used a fake name. He knew what he was doing. He better be careful...he might open himself up for lawsuits against those other players who may feel defrauded from his "unlawful" entry and the way it affected the game (slim to none chance of that happening, but...food for thought)!
 
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He did use a false name in 2017 as well.

Here's an article we just did about it yesterday: Player Disqualified from 2017 WSOP Main Event Sues Caesars

I agree with Slacker. He was banned for life. He knew this, and even used a fake name. He knew what he was doing. He better be careful...he might open himself up for lawsuits against those other players who may feel defrauded from his "unlawful" entry and the way it affected the game (slim to none chance of that happening, but...food for thought)!
Sorry about that I didn't see anything on here yesterday? I wouldn't have posted it again if I had seen it. I don't know much yet but I know that is taboo!
 
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Playing any other game in the casino other then poker gives the house full advantage. I don't see why a player who is smart enough to "count cards" should be penalized for doing so. This is an event and it should be viewed as being above the venue. If they took his money and he started playing there is no way they can disqualify him. If i am on that jury i award him his full ask.
 
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I read the article posted on here yesterday about this.

I think he is clearly in the wrong, he has been banned from the casino and knows he should not be there.

I would be pretty annoyed if I was knocked out of any tournament by a player who was not supposed to be playing. I think those people will have more of a case to get their money back, although not sure how you prove this?

The guy obviously has money and is good at the game, why doesn't he just move to Europe and play events outside of US?
 
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Playing any other game in the casino other then poker gives the house full advantage. I don't see why a player who is smart enough to "count cards" should be penalized for doing so. This is an event and it should be viewed as being above the venue. If they took his money and he started playing there is no way they can disqualify him. If i am on that jury i award him his full ask.
That's part of what I found interesting about is there is all kinds of potential for this to be crazy! He sues the casino and the players he took out sue him? Then WSOP sues everyone on some issue or another? It's got all the pieces to be a fantastic mess! Who knows what rule changes may come of it too?
 
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If he was playing under a false name how would he cash his cheque he might have won? Does he have fake ID to? Isnt it illegal to set up a false identity? Does the WSOP pay out there winning for everyone in cash--and not by cheque? I know when it reaches headsup actual cash is brought out to table.
 
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If he was playing under a false name how would he cash his cheque he might have won? Does he have fake ID to? Isnt it illegal to set up a false identity? Does the WSOP pay out there winning for everyone in cash--and not by cheque? I know when it reaches headsup actual cash is brought out to table.
He used part of his middle and last name to create at new last name? If I understand correctly?
 
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Interesting. IMO if he's on the banned list that's end of story don't think he has a leg to stand on he attempted to defraud the casino by using a false name. Be interesting to see the outcome though
 
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Ya seems pretty cut and dry situation considering he had to use a fake name in order to register in the first place. If the casino had allowed him to play under his real name then he would maybe have a case, but since he was obviously trying to defraud them he likely has no leg to stand on in court. IMO
 
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thanks for postting what happend first off shame on him he should of gotten locked up cause it is conceder fraud and now he is crying cause he got caught he better not win his law suiet has for the chips its a shame that others gotten knocked out by his fake name i think maybe a reentry back in to next season mean event to those who got knocked out by him the main event staff did the right thing ..wow i though i heard it all people will do anything to win what if he would of won the main event
 
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While I do agree that counting cards should not be considered cheating as long as there is no collusion involved, casinos can ban whoever they want. Once he was banned, what he is doing is wrong. Not only was it wrong, it was stupid. No way he gets to collect money if he makes it far into the tournament. So he risks entry fees with no real hope of cashing. The only reason I can think of to do it is to hope he makes it far enough to publicly address using strategy while playing blackjack being considered cheating.
 
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Isn’t poker great, there is always something going on. We don’t know if he did or not, but why didn’t he try saying he was sorry, maybe get reinstated.
But I agree with, TERRRY, what does poker have to do with blackjack. But sometimes you have to live with what you do as we all do
 
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I dontknow for these situation,and is he back his buy-in?
 
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