ratbat615
Legend
Platinum Level
Do you remember the Danielle was calling out people’s cards he was in the zone back then as I said $100 million he’s got other things on his mind back then about %80 of his life was poker now about %58.
EnzoRS94
Rock Star
Bronze Level
why 58% exactly?
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
Who would know?why 58% exactly?
Honestly not trying to be abrasive, but this is my point in one sense, that because Negreanu enjoys one of the highest profiles in poker a lot of conclusions are made without foundation.
The idea (if I have this correct) that Negreanu was more committed to his career years ago than he is now is somewhat spurious. The idea that Negreanu calling out cards is an indication of being in the zone questionable. As regards that 'legendary' ability, Negreanu is the most vocal/chatty at the table so he's always got something to say (and of course everyone ignores the countless times his guesses are wrong). Every other player at the table is putting people on ranges as well, they are simply not playing to the cameras.
More importantly, regarding Negreanu's focus or commitment to poker. Has his schedule actually even changed that much from one era to another? I don't think so. Televised appearances and then mostly wsop with some infrequent appearances on the European Poker Tour. What I might pose is Negreanu was a lot looser and easygoing when younger simply due to age.
However, I believe he is as focused and driven as much as ever, if not more so. In the first place, his identity is wrapped in poker (as with many other players) and I see him needy when it comes to staying relevant. So, he incessantly rags on Helmuth for not studying and poses in recent years he is in 'the lab' and studying because he wants to compete with the wizards - he's Negreanu GTO. Yeah, he obviously has received some coaching but there is nothing to indicate this is anything but sporadic. Further, you can tell when he has been coached as his demeanor is always self contained and he drops all his table chat. That is until regular, feel player Negreanu reemerges as it has done this WSOP and then play becomes a bit of a coin flip yet again.
I think that is at the core of his frustrations. Negreanu wants to remain relevant but not just for being a personality with a career in the rear view mirror. He wants to remain relevant as a player. And that is difficult for anyone but especially those who learned the game in a different era. Negreanu strives to keep his play current, but at times it lets him down because I do not believe (and I think he knows this) that he does not have the capacity to play at that level consistently.
I remember having a conversation on this a few years ago when he was having repeated meltdowns in mexico (the Twitter ban phase). A friend and I asked ourselves if Negreanu was a young player now (say 25-30) would he be a high profile success story. In fairness, we believe that people's fundamental character traits inform their poker playing. Some are inclined to GTO and others are not for example. We concluded in todays game he might enjoy some success but would be seen as an erratic and streaky mid level player. I think our thesis has held up since and that would apply to the last two WSOP, the Polk and Helmuth challenges with a degree of success on High Stakes Poker on PokerGo. At best the play and success is patchy.
But consider this, remove the bankroll and have Negreanu enter contemporary poker as a 25 year old and I am not too confident we would be witnessing a Fedor Holz or Michael Addamo in the making.
EnzoRS94
Rock Star
Bronze Level
This time I agree with pretty much everything you said, about the reads there is times where he calls the exact hand his opponent have even the colors, online and live. So table talk doesn't change the fact that his ability to read his opponent's cards is quite exceptional.
Just a point, he's still too loose.
I mean earlier this year, he rebought in a tourney 5 times losing all-ins 5 hands in a row. (10,000$ Buy-in) I forgot where it was or which tournament, but I think yeah he was literally a calling station when he was younger, I think that was his strongest point.
scottychase
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Yeah I watched a few of his videos for the WSOP 2022 and I was excited for him at first until I saw he just kept running bad. Very disappointed! Wish he would have had more good runs this year I really like the videos of his poker grind.
Dobbler1
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Look, I'm a fan of Negreanu, but I think Bonimo's comments are mostly fair (although mildly infantilizing to women). I think we probably caught dnegs' worst day at work on camera. While my first reaction is to say that I've never thrown a temper tantrum at work and busted stuff up, I am sure that if someone filmed my worst day at work, I wouldn't come off looking very good. He's shown for decades that he's both affable and a good sport, and the fact that he had a horrible day and maybe wasn't his best self doesn't erase all of that.
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ikescherer
Rock Star
Bronze Level
He is running terrible bad, its sad, ive been watching his vlog, and its a lot of bad beats, a lot. As a professional legend he has always been pretty lucky with the coolers and coin flips... Well hes reads on ranges with the outcome of the GTO maybe is taking his game down.
We will see in the long term.
We will see in the long term.
heguli82
Rock Star
Bronze Level
The luckiest poker player in world. Run good in decisive moments is one thing, but this guy among those few regular faces in the first ever tv broadcasted high stakes poker games are all benefit huge and many different ways for the hype in the early 2000c.
Poker Orifice
Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
check out his results for live tournaments. He's actually had some great results and quite recently too! (He had 2x 1st & 2x 3rd in PokerGo Cup, along with many other great 'wins' even in the past two years).Unfortunately, Daniel has long lost his best shape, let him enjoy life, he is a poker legend, but his skill is no longer the same as before, it's time to rest
apLike
Rock Star
Bronze Level
yes, there were victories, but these are far from "great" victories, and of course, the general level of Daniel has long been no longer number one in the world, but once he was one.
BillyR23
Legend
Loyaler
It was a bad Series for Negreanu and for sure the poker legend can bounce back, still to say that it was only due to bad luck it's IMO a bit too much and I'm a big fan of DNegs- some of his plays were bad and he got lucky, in some others he played well and got unlucky(in mix games he ran bad no doubt about it)- but that's poker... Also, I understand that he's an emotional person but he just can't behave like that at the poker tables(I've said it about Phil Hellmuth as well), they need to get their mental game in check as it's getting ridiculous and making their opponents uncomfortable at the tables isn't good for the game and their image too...
Poker Orifice
Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
It's tournament play. Even the absolute best player on the planet can lose money in a 200 game sample (Or more!). And, if you were to actually look at his results over the past 3 years, you'd see they've been very good.
apLike
Rock Star
Bronze Level
I do not argue that his results are very bad. I say that compared to his youth, to his best years when Daniel became popular, he was stronger.
thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
If you think that's bad, check out his hand injury after that bizarre incident when everyone thought there was a mass shooter in the casino and ran for their lives.