Nafor
Legend
Loyaler
No, I don't think that I missed her point.You missed Kristin's point - that has zero to do with bankroll management and everything to do with pay inequality.
The article suggests "...that issues beyond the poker industry itself prevent more women from joining the game".
It is true that women earn less than men in many professions but that problem was not created by poker.
If the article is hinting that women can't afford to keep their bankrolls separate from their other funds cause they need to use it for living then that is of course a problem, but again not created by poker.
But if they can afford to keep them separate then it is simply a question of bankroll management. And if men can afford/need to throw money on the table from outside their bankrolls that probably means that they are out of their depth anyway and the money is foolishly spent and lost. We should all play within our means and grow our bankrolls through playing and not by depositing.
Like2Play2
Visionary
Platinum Level
I agree with Nafer
And because I started late with poker online, in my 50s, I had a real hard time learning how to play, (still not very good, and have a lot to learn).
I just got hooked on poker on line. I was trying to fill a hole which is called the empty nest syndrome.
But all these years I would actually laugh thinking when I was young and looking my best you would of paid me to sit at a table or in front of a computer to play poker and I would of said NO.
No to sitting in front of a computer. Which I did for my work in publications.
Once married and a mother I had better things to do with my leisure time.
Just my opinion.
And because I started late with poker online, in my 50s, I had a real hard time learning how to play, (still not very good, and have a lot to learn).
I just got hooked on poker on line. I was trying to fill a hole which is called the empty nest syndrome.
But all these years I would actually laugh thinking when I was young and looking my best you would of paid me to sit at a table or in front of a computer to play poker and I would of said NO.
No to sitting in front of a computer. Which I did for my work in publications.
Once married and a mother I had better things to do with my leisure time.
Just my opinion.
mushthebush
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Poker is open to anyone, except children (for no good reason) who are just as capable to beat everyone. I was, why wouldn't others be? Maybe adults are afraid of children and they're amazing capabilities. I vote for age equality.
Anyway, I see no reason why women wouldn't get into it head first. My wife got interested by understanding it's not an entirely stupid game of cards and she slowly got into the complexities of it. Maybe a boyfriend or husband that cooks and cleans and takes care of children would be useful?
In all honesty, I truly believe women are more capable than men in getting reads and tells and seeing every wrong move in someone's actions. Again just saying she sees everything, even more than I do. They feel it, everything. I am genuinely scared of playing against my wife, and not just poker.
I still see that boys and girls are groomed to do certain tasks from the day they're born. Boys are pushed towards manly activities and girls towards princesses and babies and house chores. Total nonsense, but it creates a base of thinking, a mindset. It's the reason why the poor remain poor as poverty is embedded in a child's mind along with the whole package of thoughts and beliefs from the moment they're born. It's the reason why women think they should be women and men should be rednecks. To me, it would be obvious to teach the young ones how crap life can be if you don't manage your finances well and if you are bad with numbers, as you'll never overcome your mediocrity. Everything else they learn as they go along, walking, talking, reading, respecting some and disrespecting who requires it, socialising, selective autism (oh, trust me, it's a necessary life skill). adhd (or energy and excitement in layman's terms), flipping off the management, arguing properly, their rights and the law. You know childish things that are required for hurdling through the masses as they grow, they do it on their own if guided adequately. But parents (bad but devoted salesmen) sell them only what they think is the right product (which is usually a life of misery and poverty, stress and tension and eventually regrets), completely ignoring anything that is creative and productive. In most parents' minds, there is no producer and consumer, because they are consumers and act like consumers and feel the genetical to produce more consumers. And consumers need a despicable job to get some money to pay for what they consume. And no offence, but women often have to do despicable actions (that I don't think they want to) to get a better job. While the producers are ignored and left to become more and more filthy rich. I mean a child should get both sides of the story shouldn't they? Maybe, just maybe, they would like to choose the other side.
It all starts at the roots and most roots are rotten or they became rotten throughout their life. We are an evolving species and the youngs live today, while the elderly seem to remain in the past with everything (great knowledge that applied then not now) but are devoted to badly influence their pups.
Men and women are equal and can and should do everything they want to. There's no restrictions and no requirements for either. Nothing stops you from doing something you enjoy and have passion for, which will eventually make life better for you. Children are not a requirement and single-party chores should not be a marriage requirement anymore, since one single man with a single wage cannot provide survival to a whole family anymore.
Now, all you women, go play poker, now! And tell your children the whole story, not just part of it. Maybe they will play poker someday. Or change the world for the better (while they play poker). You're likely better than most men (at most things) at poker and it is highly likely a safer work environment than most. You're the ones in control, do the right thing.
P.S. I don't have any experience of women's rights across the world but I am aware of some attrocities that happen in certain ill regions of this beautiful planet. It's very hard to understand it or accept it. That's it. I'm sorry but I have nothing to add other than make a run for it.
P.P.S. I am still poor and struggling, thanks to my parents and teachers and peers around me that stopped me from becoming a millionaire at various points in my life and crushed, with words and actions, every opportunity I saw. All proved to be great and no one ever said "wow, you are indeed smart and saw what I couldn't, so next time I will give you more credit" but what I got instead was "you were just guessing and it could have gone either way". Well, I wasn't and it didn't and their words got me even further away from them. So, I am still struggling to escape people (in particular those close to me) and avoid any influence. Not easy, but necessary and recommended. Parenting lesson right there!
Anyway, I see no reason why women wouldn't get into it head first. My wife got interested by understanding it's not an entirely stupid game of cards and she slowly got into the complexities of it. Maybe a boyfriend or husband that cooks and cleans and takes care of children would be useful?
In all honesty, I truly believe women are more capable than men in getting reads and tells and seeing every wrong move in someone's actions. Again just saying she sees everything, even more than I do. They feel it, everything. I am genuinely scared of playing against my wife, and not just poker.
I still see that boys and girls are groomed to do certain tasks from the day they're born. Boys are pushed towards manly activities and girls towards princesses and babies and house chores. Total nonsense, but it creates a base of thinking, a mindset. It's the reason why the poor remain poor as poverty is embedded in a child's mind along with the whole package of thoughts and beliefs from the moment they're born. It's the reason why women think they should be women and men should be rednecks. To me, it would be obvious to teach the young ones how crap life can be if you don't manage your finances well and if you are bad with numbers, as you'll never overcome your mediocrity. Everything else they learn as they go along, walking, talking, reading, respecting some and disrespecting who requires it, socialising, selective autism (oh, trust me, it's a necessary life skill). adhd (or energy and excitement in layman's terms), flipping off the management, arguing properly, their rights and the law. You know childish things that are required for hurdling through the masses as they grow, they do it on their own if guided adequately. But parents (bad but devoted salesmen) sell them only what they think is the right product (which is usually a life of misery and poverty, stress and tension and eventually regrets), completely ignoring anything that is creative and productive. In most parents' minds, there is no producer and consumer, because they are consumers and act like consumers and feel the genetical to produce more consumers. And consumers need a despicable job to get some money to pay for what they consume. And no offence, but women often have to do despicable actions (that I don't think they want to) to get a better job. While the producers are ignored and left to become more and more filthy rich. I mean a child should get both sides of the story shouldn't they? Maybe, just maybe, they would like to choose the other side.
It all starts at the roots and most roots are rotten or they became rotten throughout their life. We are an evolving species and the youngs live today, while the elderly seem to remain in the past with everything (great knowledge that applied then not now) but are devoted to badly influence their pups.
Men and women are equal and can and should do everything they want to. There's no restrictions and no requirements for either. Nothing stops you from doing something you enjoy and have passion for, which will eventually make life better for you. Children are not a requirement and single-party chores should not be a marriage requirement anymore, since one single man with a single wage cannot provide survival to a whole family anymore.
Now, all you women, go play poker, now! And tell your children the whole story, not just part of it. Maybe they will play poker someday. Or change the world for the better (while they play poker). You're likely better than most men (at most things) at poker and it is highly likely a safer work environment than most. You're the ones in control, do the right thing.
P.S. I don't have any experience of women's rights across the world but I am aware of some attrocities that happen in certain ill regions of this beautiful planet. It's very hard to understand it or accept it. That's it. I'm sorry but I have nothing to add other than make a run for it.
P.P.S. I am still poor and struggling, thanks to my parents and teachers and peers around me that stopped me from becoming a millionaire at various points in my life and crushed, with words and actions, every opportunity I saw. All proved to be great and no one ever said "wow, you are indeed smart and saw what I couldn't, so next time I will give you more credit" but what I got instead was "you were just guessing and it could have gone either way". Well, I wasn't and it didn't and their words got me even further away from them. So, I am still struggling to escape people (in particular those close to me) and avoid any influence. Not easy, but necessary and recommended. Parenting lesson right there!
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thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
This is the fallacy of spouting statistics without context. Human beings are not mere statistics. If you take any two populations by sex, age, race, religion, nationality, or any other criteria, there will be disparities which ultimately mean nothing.
Women live longer than men; is this a real problem and if so how should we solve it, by euthanasing women when they reach the same age?
Men are the majority of the homeless and the vast majority of prison inmates. Men are also the majority of really high earners. Check out Jordan Peterson's talk about female lawyers and why married women don't climb as high as their husbands. When they get to the top they find 60-80 hour work weeks instead of glamour.
Maybe there are so few women in poker because they have better things to do? If I could go back in time to my late teens I would probably not play again. What does that tell you about my performance?
Chica_bonita
Sad Funny Lady🌬
Bronze Level
Hello!🙋♀️💞
In my opinion, it will take many years before we can say that there are as many women in poker as men. The stumbling block in this, in my opinion, is our attitude to this fascinating game. We are all a priori the keepers of the family hearth and the family budget. We are constantly solving an unrealistic number of tasks directly related to costs. Poker, no matter how you look at it, is a risky game. And not every woman is ready to risk money from her own budget for the sake of the game. And, of course, we never have free money: every cent has already been allocated for certain tasks, and if not, then we will definitely find a use for it that will benefit.
freerolls and events for women really help us feel more comfortable. Knowing that our desire to try to play will not negatively affect the family budget, we feel easier in this exciting game.
In my opinion, every poker player (whether a beginner, amateur or professional) should subscribe to the blogs of female poker players and recommend them. So, more people and more women will learn about women's poker.
Pokerrooms and casinos can organize charity tournaments, a percentage of which would go to the development of organizations to attract women to poker.
Also, a percentage of the entry into such tournaments could go to the organization of free tournaments for women. This would allow women to try this exciting game without the risk of losing the family budget.
Also, during major events, casino could organize a special play area for the children of mothers of poker players, which, in my opinion, can help poker players who have no one to leave their children with decide to participate in tournaments.
Programs dedicated to the successful stories of women playing poker, which would cover not only their poker path, but also describe their daily life, showing that the balance between poker and family life is real and it is quite possible to play poker without sacrificing family.
The appearance of products on the shelves of ordinary stores, with motivating inscriptions (for example, "I am a woman and I play poker" or "I am a super mom and I like to play poker" or "a loving wife and mom at home, and the queen at the poker tables"). These can be bottles for water, mugs, T-shirts, badges, caps, phone cases, kitchen aprons and so on. Something that is in demand and even better if it is something that we use outside the house, like the proposed version of a bottle for water. In my opinion, this will arouse the interest of women and they will want to try this exciting sport.
In my opinion, it will take many years before we can say that there are as many women in poker as men. The stumbling block in this, in my opinion, is our attitude to this fascinating game. We are all a priori the keepers of the family hearth and the family budget. We are constantly solving an unrealistic number of tasks directly related to costs. Poker, no matter how you look at it, is a risky game. And not every woman is ready to risk money from her own budget for the sake of the game. And, of course, we never have free money: every cent has already been allocated for certain tasks, and if not, then we will definitely find a use for it that will benefit.
freerolls and events for women really help us feel more comfortable. Knowing that our desire to try to play will not negatively affect the family budget, we feel easier in this exciting game.
In my opinion, every poker player (whether a beginner, amateur or professional) should subscribe to the blogs of female poker players and recommend them. So, more people and more women will learn about women's poker.
Pokerrooms and casinos can organize charity tournaments, a percentage of which would go to the development of organizations to attract women to poker.
Also, a percentage of the entry into such tournaments could go to the organization of free tournaments for women. This would allow women to try this exciting game without the risk of losing the family budget.
Also, during major events, casino could organize a special play area for the children of mothers of poker players, which, in my opinion, can help poker players who have no one to leave their children with decide to participate in tournaments.
Programs dedicated to the successful stories of women playing poker, which would cover not only their poker path, but also describe their daily life, showing that the balance between poker and family life is real and it is quite possible to play poker without sacrificing family.
The appearance of products on the shelves of ordinary stores, with motivating inscriptions (for example, "I am a woman and I play poker" or "I am a super mom and I like to play poker" or "a loving wife and mom at home, and the queen at the poker tables"). These can be bottles for water, mugs, T-shirts, badges, caps, phone cases, kitchen aprons and so on. Something that is in demand and even better if it is something that we use outside the house, like the proposed version of a bottle for water. In my opinion, this will arouse the interest of women and they will want to try this exciting sport.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
You are completely missing the mark on this.
It is women who are providing the statistics, I have a survey running right now on Women in Poker and the challenges they are facing and women are coming out of the woodwork to tell their stories.
Most of your points are just silly and not even relevant. Women don't have BETTER things to do - they are just expected to do a lot of things that men are not. But that is only a piece of the issue.
If we could start with men treating women with the same respect at the table that they treat other men with that would be a huge first step.
IADaveMark
Rock Star
Silver Level
Side note. I set my new record this year. Not only were there a lot of women at wsop this summer, there was a point where I had 4 women at my table at the same time. Anything more than 1 has been noteworthy in the past. 3 seemed like a statistical outlier. But 4?
Yeah... they were far better represented this summer than I have seen in the past.
Yeah... they were far better represented this summer than I have seen in the past.
ADRI7HO
On the road...
Loyaler
The presence of women at the poker tables is welcome 🤗. I hope that poker conquers women as much as possible, because their presence at the table is a good feeling. It would be much better if the ratio were half to half between women and men at the tournaments, but unfortunately there is not much chance for that.
I hope the number of women in poker increases.
I hope the number of women in poker increases.
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
Jordan Peterson?
You think citing someone who now can't stop blubbering every five minutes about how wronged he and young males are adds credibility to the (any) argument?
thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
You want Phil Helmeuth to treat women the same way he treats men? Good luck with that one. Women face no more problems with poker than men, except Maria Ho who made the big mistake of lending a dude a large sum of money. You know what happened next.
VikK030p13
Rock Star
Silver Level
Once upon a time I had the experience of playing the role of a woman. I registered on one of the sites under a female name and chose a nickname so that it was clear that an inexperienced girl. For a while, the players, especially males, treated me favorably, but then, with some kind of instinct, realizing that an experienced man was playing with them, they quickly smashed me to smithereens. In general, I did not like the experiment.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
We are not talking about individuals - we are talking about men as a whole. It is obvious you have never played 2 minutes of live poker so perhaps this discussion is not for you.
KUN_AGUERO_KROOS
Legend
Platinum Level
I think you meant Vivian Saliba.
From my personal experience, live poker attracts some of the nasty personalities of society.
It's like people who cannot behave properly are all gathered in one table
If you don't have a tough skin, I don't recommend playing live poker
ikescherer
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Yeah if you go to a place, as a man, and there is 50 women and just 2 guys, u do feel kinda awkward.
Thats how women feel when going to play live poker.
I think that even better then a womens only MTT would be an 50/50 MTTs. Hey we got 139 female entries, so let´s open 139 entries for they guys.
That would be very pleasant to play.
Thats how women feel when going to play live poker.
I think that even better then a womens only MTT would be an 50/50 MTTs. Hey we got 139 female entries, so let´s open 139 entries for they guys.
That would be very pleasant to play.
thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
I have played live poker albeit not for those stakes. I used to play at Gutshot, did rather well in tournaments. My biggest ever win was £1,140 - £1000 first prize plus £140 sweepstake. My own view though is that if people are rich enough to play for obscene stakes they have better things to do. Unfortunately for him, nobody told Boris Becker that.We are not talking about individuals - we are talking about men as a whole. It is obvious you have never played 2 minutes of live poker so perhaps this discussion is not for you.
thedarkman
Legend
Platinum Level
Just for you this was my winning hand from the aforementioned Gutshot tournament in January 2003. The games were pot limit until the players got heads up.We are not talking about individuals - we are talking about men as a whole. It is obvious you have never played 2 minutes of live poker so perhaps this discussion is not for you.
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Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
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You are correct on the spelling of her name. I was using spell check and well is mis-spelled it.
ratbat615
Legend
Platinum Level
We just need to make more women feel 😨 welcome 🙏 and the 📺 stations should broadcast more female players like chess girl 👧 alexandra botez I love her 😍.
whiskers77
The art of purring
Loyaler
It is a very interesting article for me as a woman, thank you for this CC. <3
I feel less pushed around in the job as well, because I know, that even if I would lose this job, I could make enough money by playing poker.
So poker gives me a kind of freedom of choice.
the behaviour of the men there. It was vice versa. The players and also the dealers were very lovely and ready to help.
During the week were more younger men there and at the weekends there were also elder people there.
Also a lot of couples. I was really amazed about this. Elder couples made their family trip to the casino there
and I just thought, wow, how nice is this? Also families with younger adults were there, It was like going into the cinema.
And I have to say, that I was also recently invited to a pure male home-game event. It was a lot of fun!
Well, maybe I was just lucky so far about my experiences in a casino. I don't know. And so far I haven't been here in germany. Who knows,
maybe this will be different then. But for me the question arises now, is this something about mentality in the different countries,
that women feel not so welcome at the tables or that they are not welcomed enough?
And definitely, women should be welcomed at the casinos, at big events and also in poker rooms (a bad example is GG for me still).
Women also contribute, that poker will be seen in a better light in society.
And of course, they should get more time for such events and so on by their partners. This is something, that should be obvious if a woman plays
a lucrative game and vice versa also for the man.
Like in any job equality is important. And therefore also in poker. And it makes no sense to me to exclude women of this beautiful game
by worse conditions...
I have to subscribe to this really, poker helped me to negotiate better and also to be tougher in daily things of my job.
I feel less pushed around in the job as well, because I know, that even if I would lose this job, I could make enough money by playing poker.
So poker gives me a kind of freedom of choice.
So far, I played only around 5-6 live MTTs in the UK and I felt very safe there, I also can't complain about
the behaviour of the men there. It was vice versa. The players and also the dealers were very lovely and ready to help.
During the week were more younger men there and at the weekends there were also elder people there.
Also a lot of couples. I was really amazed about this. Elder couples made their family trip to the casino there
and I just thought, wow, how nice is this?
Also families with younger adults were there, It was like going into the cinema.And I have to say, that I was also recently invited to a pure male home-game event. It was a lot of fun!
Well, maybe I was just lucky so far about my experiences in a casino. I don't know. And so far I haven't been here in germany. Who knows,
maybe this will be different then. But for me the question arises now, is this something about mentality in the different countries,
that women feel not so welcome at the tables or that they are not welcomed enough?
Honestly, I think, it should be always like this, that the dealers shall be helpful. It is their job to be helpful in my opinion.
And definitely, women should be welcomed at the casinos, at big events and also in poker rooms (a bad example is GG for me still).
Women also contribute, that poker will be seen in a better light in society.
And of course, they should get more time for such events and so on by their partners. This is something, that should be obvious if a woman plays
a lucrative game and vice versa also for the man.
Like in any job equality is important. And therefore also in poker. And it makes no sense to me to exclude women of this beautiful game
by worse conditions...
manzanillo53
Legend
Platinum Level
This is one situation that is not the fault of Poker or Men. Poker is open to anyone that wishes to play. I would like to see more females playing but do not change everything to make them play.