ACR CEO offers $100,000 to prove Ali Imsirovic cheats in online poker

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So, Ali Imsirovic is facing accusations of online cheating by his colleagues...again (or still). In the meantime, Phil Nagy, CEO of Americas Cardroom, has offered $100,000.00 to anyone who can prove that Ali is in fact cheating online. Poker Pros have taken to Twitter, calling out Imsirovic with no concrete evidence (that I can tell) but nonetheless, they seem to have more than just suspicions which I wish would be shared to put an end to this saga.

To me, it is important to provide the poker public with this information especially if there is a security issue at stake.

As CardsChat contributor, Bob Pajich asks 'Will the $100,000 be enough for someone to emerge with absolute proof that Imsirovic is a cheat?'.

What do you think?

Poker Site CEO Offers $100K to Prove Imsirovic is an Online Cheater


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Hi Shells

I don't know a huge amounts about details of Imsirovic cheating scandals.

But the amount of people i have heard talking badly about him such as highly respected poker pros and ambassadors on multiple occasions.

So all power to Phil Nagy and whoever can out a cheater.

Look foward to hearing what happens going foward.

Gl on the grind all and as always see you at the tables.
 
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Hi Shells

I don't know a huge amounts about details of Imsirovic cheating scandals.

But the amount of people i have heard talking badly about him such as highly respected poker pros and ambassadors on multiple occasions.

So all power to Phil Nagy and whoever can out a cheater.

Look foward to hearing what happens going foward.

Gl on the grind all and as always see you at the tables.
I don't know any of the details (or have missed it entirely) regarding the cheating either, Ryan...there has been a lot of talk about it but nothing seems to materialize.

Hopefully, there is a resolution to all of this - it has been going on for quite awhile.
 
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I don't know any of the details (or have missed it entirely) regarding the cheating either, Ryan...there has been a lot of talk about it but nothing seems to materialize.

Hopefully, there is a resolution to all of this - it has been going on for quite awhile.
Very true Shells

It does seem like a topic of that had been discussed alot with nothing coming of it.

I can recall people talikng about him minimum 3 years ago.

There has always been a dark side to poker sadly where money is concerned there will always be some criminals who target it.
 
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It's hard to access where things really stand with the 'outing' of players who are potentially cheating.

For several reasons (as I have discussed before) I am not convinced there is a deeply sincere effort to get to the bottom of much of anything...and I am talking about the likes of The Poker Integrity Council. However, there is a valid barrier to openly accusing a specific player of cheating - that of the disclosure agreements which the poker sites agree to, so as to set members at ease. The poker sites are not allowed to release personal information (which of course covers a variety of things such as the members personal accounts) so the sites will only state they have banned or suspended members but refuse to detail who.

Therefore, nearly all the major scandals in recent years have been exposed by people sleuthing after such bans. For instance, once GG released a statement they had banned tens of players a few years ago, because so many had heard rumors about Schindler and Imsirovic cheating, it was easy to see via sharkscope that both players activity on GG ceased immediately after the ban. They were 'identified'.

But the evidence (thought to primarily revolve around them using RTA) remains in GG hands , or any poker sites hands, and they are not going to release specifics for fear of being sued.

However, there are valid reasons for many to accuse the likes of Imsirovic and Schindler of cheating. It's the classic scenario - small circle friends and acquaintances who at one point knew they were cheating, leaking the fact to a wider set of acquaintances. It has been stated several times certain players bragged about what they could get away with. So word gets around. Then you had high level players already suspicious of the fact they were losing frequently to certain players concluding they were either using RTA or colluding at the tables. As Matt Berkey said around the time of Brynn Kenney's accusations, what people do not realize is there is an element in the poker world which believes anything which gives an edge is okay, ethics be damned. If you can get away with using RTA or collude via a 'stable' then you'd be stupid not to do so.

And, in as much as I or anyone can access at the moment, it would appear the bragging element has come into play with Ali Imsirovic again recently. Daniel Negreanu on the DAT poker podcast in March called out Imsirovic (again), because he claimed to have been directly told (as I am sure several others had) that Imsirovic was privately bragging about the fact he was still online and cheating.

Now whether that was simply a way for Imsirovic to big himself up, or the reality who knows? But, I believe it has exacerbated the festering resentment regarding such alleged cheaters. There is no mechanism in place to re-imburse players to the level they have feel they have likely been cheated. Of course the problem remains, how does anyone prove the matter if the sites will not release the personal data? And also one has to assume Imsirovic is likely accessing sites ghosting on other accounts if true, as I am unsure as to whether he still has access to any legit sites under his own name.

Therefore Phil Nagy's offer is interesting but I would be surprised if anyone could prove anything, unfortunately.
 
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Just think of the famous thoroughbred horse racing axiom ' if you ain't cheatin you ain't trying ! '. Sadly , it's probably that way among some of the nosebleed stakes poker players as well .
 
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To me, it is important to provide the poker public with this information especially if there is a security issue at stake.
That's the most important thing in regard to this polemic. I don't think it'll be easy for anyone to concretely prove the cheating. It's not like if it was happening in live poker. But if someone does have any info, this is the time to show their willing to preserve the integrity of the industry. I so hope this whole thing ends as soon as possible one way or the other.
 
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Prove in a court of law?

Prove statistically?

Or just prove to Nagy?

But then DS3 is talking about players "bragging" about getting away with cheating? Isn't admitting to cheating enough proof??
 
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Prove in a court of law?

Prove statistically?

Or just prove to Nagy?

But then DS3 is talking about players "bragging" about getting away with cheating? Isn't admitting to cheating enough proof??

I agree of course, but the 'admitting' was obviously done in private (Negreanu did not reveal who had told him which I thought was odd) and I am sure if pressed Imsirovic would simply deny it. Last year both Imsirovic and Schindler were allowed to play at the wsop (who I believe reserves the right to ban anyone - the casinos where the WSOP certainly can) and Jake Schindler won the $50,000 high roller. However when pressed on his attendance and the cheating allegations, Schindler simply refused to say a word to the press/anyone.

Meanwhile, some will remember Ali Imsirovic declared he would be giving a portion of his winnings to charity as if he was one of pokers good guys at which point he was generally scoffed at.
 
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The $100k 'reward' for bringing forth information to prove that Isirovic has cheated anywhere, will not do a single thing to resolve this debacle, in my opinion. If there is information out there that is solid, does anyone else think that this cheating scandal would have been put to bed by now? Too much of this 'he said she said' and no one is willing to reveal sources or details or is this something the general poker public is not entitled to know.

 
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I would be surprised if anyone could prove anything, unfortunately.
Really?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's just a matter of those who were in on it with him (and perhaps no longer in their circle) to out the cheaters.
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.

Unfortunately it's a well-known fact that there are staking teams with known cheating happening. (vamooooos!). More needs to be done about it for sure.
 
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Really?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's just a matter of those who were in on it with him (and perhaps no longer in their circle) to out the cheaters.
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.

Unfortunately it's a well-known fact that there are staking teams with known cheating happening. (vamooooos!). More needs to be done about it for sure.
Let me guess: Brazilians in collusion to win tournaments? Like this is normal?
 
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Really?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's just a matter of those who were in on it with him (and perhaps no longer in their circle) to out the cheaters.
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.

Unfortunately it's a well-known fact that there are staking teams with known cheating happening. (vamooooos!). More needs to be done about it for sure.
I am sure Ali is at home contemplating the possibility of providing proof so he can claim the reward money! ;)
 
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The $100k 'reward' for bringing forth information to prove that Isirovic has cheated anywhere, will not do a single thing to resolve this debacle,
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.
Could it be that people who know anything or are capable of presenting any kind of evidence happen to be wealthy enough not to be enticed by the $100K ?
 
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Could it be that people who know anything or are capable of presenting any kind of evidence happen to be wealthy enough not to be enticed by the $100K ?
or perhaps they're currently getting staked for High stakes tournaments that makes one payout of $100k not worth it?
 
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It's hard to access where things really stand with the 'outing' of players who are potentially cheating.

For several reasons (as I have discussed before) I am not convinced there is a deeply sincere effort to get to the bottom of much of anything...and I am talking about the likes of The Poker Integrity Council. However, there is a valid barrier to openly accusing a specific player of cheating - that of the disclosure agreements which the poker sites agree to, so as to set members at ease. The poker sites are not allowed to release personal information (which of course covers a variety of things such as the members personal accounts) so the sites will only state they have banned or suspended members but refuse to detail who.

Therefore, nearly all the major scandals in recent years have been exposed by people sleuthing after such bans. For instance, once GG released a statement they had banned tens of players a few years ago, because so many had heard rumors about Schindler and Imsirovic cheating, it was easy to see via Sharkscope that both players activity on GG ceased immediately after the ban. They were 'identified'.

But the evidence (thought to primarily revolve around them using RTA) remains in GG hands , or any poker sites hands, and they are not going to release specifics for fear of being sued.

However, there are valid reasons for many to accuse the likes of Imsirovic and Schindler of cheating. It's the classic scenario - small circle friends and acquaintances who at one point knew they were cheating, leaking the fact to a wider set of acquaintances. It has been stated several times certain players bragged about what they could get away with. So word gets around. Then you had high level players already suspicious of the fact they were losing frequently to certain players concluding they were either using RTA or colluding at the tables. As Matt Berkey said around the time of Brynn Kenney's accusations, what people do not realize is there is an element in the poker world which believes anything which gives an edge is okay, ethics be damned. If you can get away with using RTA or collude via a 'stable' then you'd be stupid not to do so.

And, in as much as I or anyone can access at the moment, it would appear the bragging element has come into play with Ali Imsirovic again recently. Daniel Negreanu on the DAT poker podcast in March called out Imsirovic (again), because he claimed to have been directly told (as I am sure several others had) that Imsirovic was privately bragging about the fact he was still online and cheating.

Now whether that was simply a way for Imsirovic to big himself up, or the reality who knows? But, I believe it has exacerbated the festering resentment regarding such alleged cheaters. There is no mechanism in place to re-imburse players to the level they have feel they have likely been cheated. Of course the problem remains, how does anyone prove the matter if the sites will not release the personal data? And also one has to assume Imsirovic is likely accessing sites ghosting on other accounts if true, as I am unsure as to whether he still has access to any legit sites under his own name.

Therefore Phil Nagy's offer is interesting but I would be surprised if anyone could prove anything, unfortunately.

Prove in a court of law?

Prove statistically?

Or just prove to Nagy?

But then DS3 is talking about players "bragging" about getting away with cheating? Isn't admitting to cheating enough proof??
admitting to murder is not proof even when recorded so cheating has no chance IMO.
plus unless it was recorded then it's just hearsay.
The $100k 'reward' for bringing forth information to prove that Isirovic has cheated anywhere, will not do a single thing to resolve this debacle, in my opinion. If there is information out there that is solid, does anyone else think that this cheating scandal would have been put to bed by now? Too much of this 'he said she said' and no one is willing to reveal sources or details or is this something the general poker public is not entitled to know.

heck we couldn't even prove mike postle was cheating or that his producer was helping.
and we had video proof and data proof.
Really?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's just a matter of those who were in on it with him (and perhaps no longer in their circle) to out the cheaters.
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.

Unfortunately it's a well-known fact that there are staking teams with known cheating happening. (vamooooos!). More needs to be done about it for sure.
I thought that was how it started was one of the gang got not used enough and told on him.
but as stated he was being backed by big money and did not want to jeopardize it to tell but said that in a podcast or something.
I was hoping poker players would get some respect but not like this.

 
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Do you have any information about what fields in poker has he been accused? Online only or live as well? Cash games or Tournaments?

He could be a great player who with extra informations about the site's algorithm became an extra one. I mean if poker sites have verified RNGs and other factors, why can't anyone come up with the program which can read it and translate it? Also HUDs are available, and they might gave an additional information to the RNG as well, if there's even a tiny connection between your gameplay and the upcoming hands. All you need to convert and understand the datas your well-written programme shows.

Also have a video how I can imagine 1 acpect of online areas working. Of couse it's way more complicated than this, but we can't ignore that this TV show's machine had a pattern and it was predictable once this person simply solved it. And as online the whole actions controlled by computer, your cards and the dealt ones, why can't they include some recurring phenomenon?!

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But. At the end of the day I think it's not our responsibility to solve this, it's those who has the software to hire someone or some people and pay them the 100K. And beause it's that badly communicated, it turned into a PR one just as Fundiver said.

We can all speculate, and after I read Daniel Negrenau's twitter post, I did not feel it was not stated in the most professional way. His name is the biggest in this industry, so I'd expect to see a more informative side or simply just not comment this how he did, only that he has a suspicion but stating it's not been confirmed whatsoever.
 
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Hmmmm... well, why 100k wouldn't be big enough incentive to dig deeper especially if this was done by some third party? I could see a hacker group taking interest in this topic - or maybe not :unsure:

Then again, no-one explicitly defined what qualifies as cheating?

There are ways to cheat on (shall we say - less sophisticated) poker sites, but even that would require trusting third parties.
 
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I am just happy he is doing something, he ignored the bots and multi-entry cheaters for years.

To be fair they have been very busy adding features like the ability to fling poo at the tables.
 
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i wonder whether he would offer any $$$$ if i proved to him that ACR cheats in their own poker room lol
 
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Really?
I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's just a matter of those who were in on it with him (and perhaps no longer in their circle) to out the cheaters.
We'll have to wait & see if 100k is enough to entice them to do so.

Unfortunately it's a well-known fact that there are staking teams with known cheating happening. (vamooooos!). More needs to be done about it for sure.
"Known cheating"

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Do you have any information about what fields in poker has he been accused? Online only or live as well? Cash games or Tournaments?

He could be a great player who with extra informations about the site's algorithm became an extra one. I mean if poker sites have verified RNGs and other factors, why can't anyone come up with the program which can read it and translate it? Also HUDs are available, and they might gave an additional information to the RNG as well, if there's even a tiny connection between your gameplay and the upcoming hands. All you need to convert and understand the datas your well-written programme shows.

Also have a video how I can imagine 1 acpect of online areas working. Of couse it's way more complicated than this, but we can't ignore that this TV show's machine had a pattern and it was predictable once this person simply solved it. And as online the whole actions controlled by computer, your cards and the dealt ones, why can't they include some recurring phenomenon?!

2:18-4:44


But. At the end of the day I think it's not our responsibility to solve this, it's those who has the software to hire someone or some people and pay them the 100K. And beause it's that badly communicated, it turned into a PR one just as Fundiver said.

We can all speculate, and after I read Daniel Negrenau's twitter post, I did not feel it was not stated in the most professional way. His name is the biggest in this industry, so I'd expect to see a more informative side or simply just not comment this how he did, only that he has a suspicion but stating it's not been confirmed whatsoever.

We don't need to speculate. There's been lots written about this guy already.

I think it falls on the players to help by outting the cheaters and provide evidence... and then it's up to the operators to ban them permanently. Part of the difficulty obviously being that some would need to admit their own cheating in the process.

The main forms of cheating taking place in today's MTT games are >>>
- RTA
- Cheating teams - where game is handed off to better player once the person is deep in a tournament (this has been going on for as long as I can remember, right from when I first started to play online poker (2007) with players having been outed)
 
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