Yesterday around 6 pm I put in for a bitcoin withdrawal. This is my first withdrawal so it was only 250$. Well I don't think ill be playing anymore. I got an email last night at 3 am saying that my withdrawal was processed and should be in my wallet in 15 minutes.
Mind you I just woke up, it's now 9 am and no bitcoin has hit my wallet.
This is not cool.

Originally Posted by Jguar

Yesterday around 6 pm I put in for a bitcoin withdrawal. This is my first withdrawal so it was only 250$. Well I don't think ill be playing anymore. I got an email last night at 3 am saying that my withdrawal was processed and should be in my wallet in 15 minutes.
Mind you I just woke up, it's now 9 am and no bitcoin has hit my wallet.
This is not cool.

Your post should read like this: "Problem with bitcoin. Well, I don't think I'll use bitcoin anymore." The reason you don't have bitcoin in your wallet is not the poker site, it's the way the bitcoin transactions are taking place. The poker site sent your bitcoin, but in order to have transactions processed in a timely manner, the miners charge fees around 20-25% now because of the demand. You cannot expect Intertops or any other site to pay mining fees to send you bitcoin.

why would I post that I am having a problem with bitcoin when ignition sent me an email saying my money was deposited. I go to my account, the 250 is gone. how is that a bitcoin problem and not a problem rooted in ignition sending an email and taking my money.

if ignition doesn't want to pay mining fees then remove bitcoin withdrawal as an option. and don't just take money out of peoples accounts.............


yeah it's a bitcoin problem!!! maybe if you say it enough itll take the blame from ignition.

keep the result updated. i was going to deposit via bitcoin to egnition but if thats the case hell naw i pass. hope u get your money bro..thats just ****ed up..

Hey Ignition just sent me a bogus check, and now they're wanting to pay me through bitcoin imagine that. I sent them my bitcoin address, but would be beyond surprised to see my winnings. I just found out little to late that this pos site isn't even licensed. They are no doubt a fraudulent site. Let's all work together to wreck this outfit.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I don't even play on Ignition, but I follow their Discussion and Deposit/Withdrawal threads in the 2+2 poker forum. They are 1 of the 2 biggest U.S. poker facing sites. They have their problems as do all sites, but being fraudulent isn't one of them. They didn't send you a bogus check. The processor they used did. This happens with all sites less than 5% of the time. But, it happens, which is why many sites are encouraging the use of bitcoins.

Originally Posted by goodsaint

Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I don't even play on Ignition, but I follow their Discussion and Deposit/Withdrawal threads in the 2+2 poker forum. They are 1 of the 2 biggest U.S. poker facing sites. They have their problems as do all sites, but being fraudulent isn't one of them. They didn't send you a bogus check. The processor they used did. This happens with all sites less than 5% of the time. But, it happens, which is why many sites are encouraging the use of bitcoins.

+1

Not a bogus check though, but the processors get shut down.

+2 bitcoins.

Originally Posted by goodsaint

Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I don't even play on Ignition, but I follow their Discussion and Deposit/Withdrawal threads in the 2+2 poker forum. They are 1 of the 2 biggest U.S. poker facing sites. They have their problems as do all sites, but being fraudulent isn't one of them. They didn't send you a bogus check. The processor they used did. This happens with all sites less than 5% of the time. But, it happens, which is why many sites are encouraging the use of bitcoins.

So what should he do then since the processor sent a fake check?

The checks aren't fake. The account it was drawn on has probably been closed. Most sites require you to send photocopy of the front/back of check along with a bank statement to show check was returned. Contact the site and you'll be informed precisely what you must do. Be aware this will take a couple of weeks before funds are returned to your account.

Crypto is typically the best way to deposit or withdraw and if ignition was straight up taking your money, you would see a LOT more threads like this. I understand your situation is unfortunate but contact customer care, I’ve had to go to them numerous times on bovada and ignition and every time I was left satisfied. Just don’t be afraid to not take no for an answer.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I don't even play on Ignition, but I follow their Discussion and Deposit/Withdrawal threads in the 2+2 poker forum. They are 1 of the 2 biggest U.S. poker facing sites. They have their problems as do all sites, but being fraudulent isn't one of them. They didn't send you a bogus check. The processor they used did. This happens with all sites less than 5% of the time. But, it happens, which is why many sites are encouraging the use of bitcoins.

goodsaint, what's it like to wake up every morning that naive and stupid, just curious. You probably take those Nigerian scam emails literally and fake IRS phone calls serious too, am I right?

Was the latest update? Any body have recent bovada cashout issues.

Thanks all for your posts I learned my lesson I've sent them an email stating that I will not deposit and play unless I'm sure I ca. Withdraw any money when needed and for that I sent them all the required documentation for " verification" guess what No reply yet
Almost a week now
Will keep you posted
Cheers

I actually cashed out 100 in a check from them but didn't read the fine print and lost out due to the exchange rate :? only recieved 40 from check

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, what's it like to wake up every morning that naive and stupid, just curious. You probably take those Nigerian scam emails literally and fake IRS phone calls serious too, am I right?

I'll let you be the judge of that. On Official Poker Rankings.com and Pocket 5s, goodsaint has been tracked for play on Pokerstars and Carbon. Methinks I know a little something about cash outs.

goodsaint, i'm sure you think online poker is real, but I can assure you it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever to win at online poker. It's a joke. I'm really surprised anyone with any brains still plays online poker for money. The computer generated pre determined outcomes can make you win or lose anytime regardless of how well you play. As far as cashouts, so what. I've had many cashouts as well over the many years. That wasn't the point of this thread. The point was ignition sent me a bad check and then lied to me about it. By the way, when the check made it's way back to my bank it came with a letter that said the bank that sent the check had it's funds seized. So, there's my proof they lied to me.

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, i'm sure you think online poker is real, but I can assure you it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever to win at online poker. It's a joke. I'm really surprised anyone with any brains still plays online poker for money. The computer generated pre determined outcomes can make you win or lose anytime regardless of how well you play. As far as cashouts, so what. I've had many cashouts as well over the many years..

So you had cashouts due to luckboxing ... I mean seeing as there's no skill involved in online poker.. right?
How can you 'assure us' that there's no skill involved with online poker?


Why would it be set up to make you win or lose 'anytime'.. and how does it decide on that time? And why 'me'..... and not him or her or them? Why me 'then'? Does someone watch & make the decisions? ... or is it all set up the night before (how do they even know I'll be playing the next day or even be in that hand... nevermind that game?)


If it is assuredly all luck-based (or rigged) how is it that in tournament play online there are a number of players who are winning players and at the tops of overall yearly leaderboards (& all-time leaderboards). What is it that puts them there? Do the sites put them there? How does that work out?


I can see this splitting into a sub-section headed to a special place....

poker orifice, I'm saying that it's basically video poker/slots with the illusion of playing real poker. It's all based on winning/losing pre determined patterns. I never said it was "rigged" in the sense that the system cares who wins or loses. What i'm saying is it's not like real poker nor are the odds consistent with real poker play. It is true that it takes very little skill to win at online poker, and the system is wired this way for a reason. One of the main reasons is to let people with low poker skill sets to win regardless of how well they play their hand. This benefits the site, because if the low skill players never win or get "outplayed" there wouldn't be as much player traffic which means less rake and buy ins for the site. It's all about the money and volume. It's an illusion of playing poker that is what i'm getting at. You can literally be just as successful playing video poker or slots.

Actually, you can't assure me that it takes no skill to win at online poker. But, I'm not gonna derail this thread debunking your theory. You've made no mention in your previous two posts of Ignition lying to you. Just that they were a pos site and you wanted to work with others to wreck them. As I said before, the processor, not Ignition, sent you the check. And regardless if the account was closed or funds seized, I gave you the standard suggestions that have worked for countless others who received bum checks from a poker site. Have a good day.

Originally Posted by soldier44

poker orifice, I'm saying that it's basically video poker/slots with the illusion of playing real poker. It's all based on winning/losing pre determined patterns. I never said it was "rigged" in the sense that the system cares who wins or loses. What i'm saying is it's not like real poker nor are the odds consistent with real poker play. It is true that it takes very little skill to win at online poker, and the system is wired this way for a reason. One of the main reasons is to let people with low poker skill sets to win regardless of how well they play their hand. This benefits the site, because if the low skill players never win or get "outplayed" there wouldn't be as much player traffic which means less rake and buy ins for the site. It's all about the money and volume. It's an illusion of playing poker that is what i'm getting at. You can literally be just as successful playing video poker or slots.

I guess this is why I don't win very often. I was beginning to think it was because I'm not near as good as I thought I was. I'm still a bit confused though about something, how come there are some guys who are consistently winning? I mean if you look it up online there are guys with over $5 million in online tournament cashes (some with over $10million) and quite a few of them playing online poker tournaments as their sole source of income. (I've never heard of anyone doing this on slots or video poker). Maybe it's all just a lie to help get people like me to keep on depositing on the sites? Geez I hope not (although this would answer why I never seem to get better or lucky).


fwiw, I'm gonna give Bodog a try again. Saw that the U.S. players seem happy on that site these days... which is a good thing. I've been told there's a good number of weak recreational types from the States playing poker online (& trust me, I need to on tables with very weak players if I have any hopes of winning.... although if it's predetermined i guess it doesn't really matter much)

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

So you had cashouts due to luckboxing ... I mean seeing as there's no skill involved in online poker.. right?
How can you 'assure us' that there's no skill involved with online poker?


Why would it be set up to make you win or lose 'anytime'.. and how does it decide on that time? And why 'me'..... and not him or her or them? Why me 'then'? Does someone watch & make the decisions? ... or is it all set up the night before (how do they even know I'll be playing the next day or even be in that hand... nevermind that game?)


If it is assuredly all luck-based (or rigged) how is it that in tournament play online there are a number of players who are winning players and at the tops of overall yearly leaderboards (& all-time leaderboards). What is it that puts them there? Do the sites put them there? How does that work out?


I can see this splitting into a sub-section headed to a special place....

I like how he said "computer generated pre determined outcomes" like the programs know when I will fold or raise.

Originally Posted by soldier44

poker orifice, I'm saying that it's basically video poker/slots with the illusion of playing real poker. It's all based on winning/losing pre determined patterns. I never said it was "rigged" in the sense that the system cares who wins or loses. What i'm saying is it's not like real poker nor are the odds consistent with real poker play. It is true that it takes very little skill to win at online poker, and the system is wired this way for a reason. One of the main reasons is to let people with low poker skill sets to win regardless of how well they play their hand. This benefits the site, because if the low skill players never win or get "outplayed" there wouldn't be as much player traffic which means less rake and buy ins for the site. It's all about the money and volume. It's an illusion of playing poker that is what i'm getting at. You can literally be just as successful playing video poker or slots.

Thank you. It's folks like you that enable me to have the success I've had over the last 9 years. Keep on keeping on. Again, thank you.

Zorba, what the hell does you folding or raising have to do with anything, lol. I'm talking about the pre determined outcome of the hand. The winning and losing hands are determined at the beginning of the game regardless of how you play your hand, that's my whole point.

goodsaint, I've won more on lotto scratch offs than you have in your entire online poker career that I can guarantee you, lol It's people like you that poker sites love i'm sure, lol I'm willing to bet I can put you up against a retard in an online poker setting and he'll beat you over half the time playing nothing but junk.

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, I've won more on lotto scratch offs than you have in your entire online poker career that I can guarantee you, lol It's people like you that poker sites love i'm sure, lol

200K+ in scratch offs. That's pretty good. I bow down to you.

goodsaint, oddly enough yes!, much more actually. the only way you won 200k playing online poker is if you put 400k in it. Not saying it couldn't be done, but it sure wouldn't be because of skill. There can never be any skill involved in something that is pre determined, or you have no control of. It would be no different than getting a royal flush on a video poker machine and claiming it was skill. Why don't people just admit there is no skill to online poker, but some people just can't accept this fact. I will admit however that there is a bit more strategy not necessarily skill, but STRATEGY to real live poker especially in tournament play.

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, oddly enough yes!, much more actually. the only way you won 200k playing online poker is if you put 400k in it. Not saying it couldn't be done, but it sure wouldn't be because of skill. There can never be any skill involved in something that is pre determined, or you have no control of. It would be no different than getting a royal flush on a video poker machine and claiming it was skill. Why don't people just admit there is no skill to online poker, but some people just can't accept this fact.

As I said before, thank you and all the others who think like you. I didn't obtain a 40% roi depositing more than I cashed out. And as poker is the only game I have control over my decisions, skill plays a big factor. Precisely why I don't buy scratch offs, bet games, play casino table games (poker excepted) or pull slot handles.

goodsaint, you mean people like me that can clearly see that online poker is simply video poker. You seem to be very confused on how online poker works. Your decisions are meaningless because your hand has already been deemed a winner or loser at the beginning of the hand, and because of this there can be no skill/strategy. Why do you think there are so many players who play like idiots online, it's because everyone has figured this out. I never see people playing live poker in casinos like they do online. Why do you think that is?, because they're playing a legitimate game of poker with a shuffled deck that's why. I'm actually a pretty good poker player, and do decent at live games. No one I know still believes online poker is legit, I mean NO ONE.

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, you mean people like me that can clearly see that online poker is simply video poker. You seem to be very confused on how online poker works. Your decisions are meaningless because your hand has already been deemed a winner or loser at the beginning of the hand, and because of this there can be no skill/strategy. Why do you think there are so many players who play like idiots online, it's because everyone has figured this out. I never see people playing live poker in casinos like they do online. Why do you think that is?, because they're playing a legitimate game of poker with a shuffled deck that's why. I'm actually a pretty good poker player, and do decent at live games. No one I know still believes online poker is legit, I mean NO ONE.

I won't continue this derail any longer except to say, I've posted consistent results for 9 years running and part of it is taking advantage of folks who subscribe to your beliefs. No way am I tapping the tank or saying anything further to derail this thread. Take care and again, thank you.

goodsaint, you're welcome I hope I gave you some valuable info.

Originally Posted by soldier44

Zorba, what the hell does you folding or raising have to do with anything, lol. I'm talking about the pre determined outcome of the hand. The winning and losing hands are determined at the beginning of the game regardless of how you play your hand, that's my whole point.

So it is predetermined if I am going to fold or raise, interesting.


RNG comes to mind also.

Originally Posted by Zorba

I like how he said "computer generated pre determined outcomes" like the programs know when I will fold or raise.

Originally Posted by soldier44

Zorba, what the hell does you folding or raising have to do with anything, lol. I'm talking about the pre determined outcome of the hand..

Thanks BigZ & soldier... I had a great laugh over this one.


soldier of misfortune, have you ever considered that all the people you know aren't very good at poker?
Also, you haven't answered my question >>> Why are there some players who are consistent winners? Ones who play for their sole source of income? Ones who've cashed for million in online tournaments? Even simpler, why are some guys consistently on the top of the CC Freeroll leaderboards? Are they real people or perhaps they work for the pokersites?
And... why haven't the sites chosen you to be the winner/ (or is nobody the winner... which I think is basically what you've stated previously here)

poker orifice, I really couldn't tell you because I don't know anyone dumb enough to still be playing online poker, lol. All the people I know who play poker play live cards at a casino. Poker sites prey on naive 20 something year olds who don't know any better and think they're really playing poker, lol. It's pretty sad actually, but I went through the same thing in my early to mid 20's. Don't worry you'll grow out of it and see it for what it is. I don't know any competent adults who play online poker for money it's just silly. As far as "people" at the top of the leaderboards. My My you sure put a lot of trust in "companies" who are knowingly breaking the law and commiting fraud on a daily basis, so I wouldn't put a whole lot of trust in any leaderboards or certain "people" they claim to be successful, lol.

Originally Posted by soldier44

goodsaint, i'm sure you think online poker is real, but I can assure you it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever to win at online poker. It's a joke. I'm really surprised anyone with any brains still plays online poker for money. The computer generated pre determined outcomes can make you win or lose anytime regardless of how well you play. As far as cashouts, so what. I've had many cashouts as well over the many years. That wasn't the point of this thread. The point was ignition sent me a bad check and then lied to me about it. By the way, when the check made it's way back to my bank it came with a letter that said the bank that sent the check had it's funds seized. So, there's my proof they lied to me.

I'm the luckiest guy in the world then. I deposited $50 in online poker 13 years ago, and I've won and cashed on into the high six figures. I've never re-deposited or gone broke.

Just the luck of the cards I guess.

Originally Posted by John A

I'm the luckiest guy in the world then. I deposited $50 in online poker 13 years ago, and I've won and cashed on into the high six figures. I've never re-deposited or gone broke.

Just the luck of the cards I guess.

lol, isn't that the same BS story that tom dwan used when he promoted full tilt poker. Sorry, not buying it, and i'm pretty sure no one else is going to either. At least you could think of something original like, I only play freerolls and now i'm a millionaire just from playing free tournaments i'm that skilled. You know just go hogwild.

I played under the name Gullible at Ignition poker. I am Australian and despite the fact that online poker is banned in Australia, Ignition had no problem accepting my money. They accepted it using a disguised name and address. When I had won, what to me was a considerable amount of money, I asked to withdraw a significant portion of that money. I got an immediate reply that the withdrawal was under consideration but would not go ahead until I had verified my account. I immediately replied, asking for the verification page so I could supply what identification was required. I received no reply back and I have emailed them several times since. No reply has been sent and nothing done about a withdrawal. Disheartened, I went on tilt and blew it all back making huge bets I would never normally make. I am annoyed with myself for having done this, but I console myself in the belief that Ignition were never going to pay up anyway. I never had trouble withdrawing money when Poker Stars and 888 were available here in Australia. I am now going over to America's Card Room much against my will. I understand from researching the forums that ACR is a much tougher place to play, being populated mostly by nitty regs. I have never written a derogatory comment against a poker site, but I do believe this is warranted.

I withdrew $200 from Ignition with no problems.

For ignition it is supposed to take around 48 hrs to be processed

I'm 27 for anyone who says online poker is a scam. I just wanted to say I deposited 25 on ignition friday and walked away with 240 by sunday

It took me a very long time to get decent but after you put in a lot of hard work and a bunch of studying you can make a decent amount of money. Once you are at this level then you can only continue to get better and still keep on learning.

I do bitcoin withdraw option and have my money no later than 24hours evrytime, also I had it in 30 mins once crazy fast, do u think u may have messed up your bitcoin address, they tell you to make sure that is correct otherwise , you wont get it

Originally Posted by Podgorn

I played under the name Gullible at Ignition poker. I am Australian and despite the fact that online poker is banned in Australia, Ignition had no problem accepting my money. They accepted it using a disguised name and address. When I had won, what to me was a considerable amount of money, I asked to withdraw a significant portion of that money. I got an immediate reply that the withdrawal was under consideration but would not go ahead until I had verified my account. I immediately replied, asking for the verification page so I could supply what identification was required. I received no reply back and I have emailed them several times since. No reply has been sent and nothing done about a withdrawal. Disheartened, I went on tilt and blew it all back making huge bets I would never normally make. I am annoyed with myself for having done this, but I console myself in the belief that Ignition were never going to pay up anyway. I never had trouble withdrawing money when Poker Stars and 888 were available here in Australia. I am now going over to America's Card Room much against my will. I understand from researching the forums that ACR is a much tougher place to play, being populated mostly by nitty regs. I have never written a derogatory comment against a poker site, but I do believe this is warranted.

they dont have usernames on ignition

You are absolutely right. All tables are anonymous. If you check out Tigergaming you will see me there under that name. I'm sorry for the mistake in the name and I realize that this error throws a cloud of doubt over the rest of my post, but if you have ever tried to deal with Ignition support I think you will agree that they are unresponsive. As a footnote, just this morning I received verification from them after I had stopped using their platform for about a week. I'm sorry about the username error. It was sloppy on my part. I'll have to get off so many poker sites.

The problem wasn't the bitcoin address. I couldn't do a withdrawal because I was not verified and I couldn't get verified because no one responded to my emails except for an automated response that said the support team was very busy and they would get back to me within 72 hours. That never happened. They only replied to my email after I sent 3 or 4 angry emails and then, believe it or not, they verified the account without any documentation. So what do you think is going on? Did you have to verify your account? I think that Ignition's reason for requesting verification is just a way of delaying withdrawals in the hope that you will lose money and have less to withdraw when you finally get verified. Either that or their support team is terribly lax. It took me less than 12 hours to get verified on America's Card Room and only a little longer on Tiger Gaming. So , really my question to you, Supernuts25, is: Did you have to get verified before you made a withdrawal? And if you did, how long did it take? Maybe my experience was one of a kind. But I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Podgorn

You are absolutely right. All tables are anonymous. If you check out Tigergaming you will see me there under that name. I'm sorry for the mistake in the name and I realize that this error throws a cloud of doubt over the rest of my post, but if you have ever tried to deal with Ignition support I think you will agree that they are unresponsive. As a footnote, just this morning I received verification from them after I had stopped using their platform for about a week. I'm sorry about the username error. It was sloppy on my part. I'll have to get off so many poker sites.

no worries , figured it was something like, I cant play tiger gaming so I wouldn't even know

Originally Posted by Podgorn

The problem wasn't the bitcoin address. I couldn't do a withdrawal because I was not verified and I couldn't get verified because no one responded to my emails except for an automated response that said the support team was very busy and they would get back to me within 72 hours. That never happened. They only replied to my email after I sent 3 or 4 angry emails and then, believe it or not, they verified the account without any documentation. So what do you think is going on? Did you have to verify your account? I think that Ignition's reason for requesting verification is just a way of delaying withdrawals in the hope that you will lose money and have less to withdraw when you finally get verified. Either that or their support team is terribly lax. It took me less than 12 hours to get verified on America's Card Room and only a little longer on Tiger Gaming. So , really my question to you, Supernuts25, is: Did you have to get verified before you made a withdrawal? And if you did, how long did it take? Maybe my experience was one of a kind. But I doubt it.

not using bitcoin I did not, I'm not sure on the other options though

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Sorry bro, but please don't mess with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies yet.

Thank you for this information: I was going to start playing on Ignition