What do you think? Is this bots playing?

[TRocker]

Not

Yeah bots are a problem on many poker sites. How does this matter in terms of players' choice as to whether or not the player chooses to display their location?

I mean I'm playing right now on Bovada and BetOnline...neither require or even have a setting to show player location. I also have accounts on Blackchip Poker (a skin of WPN) and I don't believe location is required to be displayed. I also have a PokerstarsNJ account and location seems to be required (likely for state law geofencing requirements) but seems most sites don't require it. On Intertops account it seems to be a user setting option to show or not show.

Not sure how your argument makes any sense at all.

Just because a site makes it OPTIONAL (if at all) to show one's location during play, doesn't mean anything. At all. Because it depends on the site specific requirements and user settings allowed by the site.

Based on your flawed logic I guess BetOnline, Bovada, and any other site that doesn't require or even offer the option to display location info publicly during play must be suspect.

When you sign up for a poker site account they require you provide your location information correct? And they, like any site (even outside of poker), make clear that they may collect your IP information and location information right? So let's understand your argument again....because the site lets some users hide their location from other players (which other sites do)...they must be doing something shady right? Is that what you're saying?

By the way hate to burst your bubble but casinos have been known to hire house players. Not for any nefarious purposes...but rather to fill seats.

I never read anything in this OP about losing money or how he plays or anything like that.He just had a bad experience with the site in which I have as well so I don't get why you keep bringing up all of this. I bet you would defend Ultimate Bet also if they were still around.:icon_clow

 

[TRocker]

Maybe

Yeah bots are a problem on many poker sites. How does this matter in terms of players' choice as to whether or not the player chooses to display their location?

I mean I'm playing right now on Bovada and BetOnline...neither require or even have a setting to show player location. I also have accounts on Blackchip Poker (a skin of WPN) and I don't believe location is required to be displayed. I also have a PokerstarsNJ account and location seems to be required (likely for state law geofencing requirements) but seems most sites don't require it. On Intertops account it seems to be a user setting option to show or not show.

Not sure how your argument makes any sense at all.

Just because a site makes it OPTIONAL (if at all) to show one's location during play, doesn't mean anything. At all. Because it depends on the site specific requirements and user settings allowed by the site.

Based on your flawed logic I guess BetOnline, Bovada, and any other site that doesn't require or even offer the option to display location info publicly during play must be suspect.

When you sign up for a poker site account they require you provide your location information correct? And they, like any site (even outside of poker), make clear that they may collect your IP information and location information right? So let's understand your argument again....because the site lets some users hide their location from other players (which other sites do)...they must be doing something shady right? Is that what you're saying?

By the way hate to burst your bubble but casinos have been known to hire house players. Not for any nefarious purposes...but rather to fill seats.

Maybe I would just listen to you & let you make me believe its all just bs but it's not just this player that notices these things,there's hundreds so maybe we all are just crazy & need medz, right?:ciao:

 

[quick]

I never read anything in this OP about losing money or how he plays or anything like that.He just had a bad experience with the site in which I have as well so I don't get why you keep bringing up all of this. I bet you would defend Ultimate Bet also if they were still around.:icon_clow

OP also claims in his original post that being in the US "means there's not really any other sites other than ACR to play on" So I mean that kind of speaks volumes here. There's a few US facing sites. I mean OP is simply wrong to assume that a correlation between option to hide player location is a sign of unfair play. And that holds true with any rational argument...causation doesn't equal correlation. That's my point. It's not site specific, it's just silly to assume because you or OP thinks that location info is exposed publicly on some skins and sites it has to be on all and if it's not then there MUST be something wrong.

I never defended any specific site nor claimed to defend any specific site. It's just that OP's argument makes no sense. And generally when someone makes these absurd out there claims and connections...it's usually because the player making those claims is a losing player. Nothing wrong with being a losing player...I mean I used to think you couldn't win online or beat the rake...then I relearned some fundamentals and my green line went in the correct direction. Imagine that.

And if you want me to back that up, see that I initially posted a thread questioning another poker site's legitimacy of their RNG and player pool. And upon further consideration instead of INSISTING something was wrong with the site...I put in work and volume and found that I could win if I played poker better. And that over tens of thousands of hands the frequency was expected. Imagine that.

Let's see screenshots showing that ACR requires location information to be publicly displayed. Because I know that other sites don't require it . I'd bet on it.

 

[TRocker]

Im sure you have been told this before

OP also claims in his original post that being in the US "means there's not really any other sites other than ACR to play on" So I mean that kind of speaks volumes here. There's a few US facing sites. I mean OP is simply wrong to assume that a correlation between option to hide player location is a sign of unfair play. And that holds true with any rational argument...causation doesn't equal correlation. That's my point. It's not site specific, it's just silly to assume because you or OP thinks that location info is exposed publicly on some skins and sites it has to be on all and if it's not then there MUST be something wrong.

I never defended any specific site nor claimed to defend any specific site. It's just that OP's argument makes no sense. And generally when someone makes these absurd out there claims and connections...it's usually because the player making those claims is a losing player. Nothing wrong with being a losing player...I mean I used to think you couldn't win online or beat the rake...then I relearned some fundamentals and my green line went in the correct direction. Imagine that.

And if you want me to back that up, see that I initially posted a thread questioning another poker site's legitimacy of their RNG and player pool. And upon further consideration instead of INSISTING something was wrong with the site...I put in work and volume and found that I could win if I played poker better. And that over tens of thousands of hands the frequency was expected. Imagine that.

Let's see screenshots showing that ACR requires location information to be publicly displayed. Because I know that other sites don't require it . I'd bet on it.

control freak describes an individual who attempts to undermine other people based on how one dictates how everything is done around them.:joyman:

 

[quick]

control freak describes an individual who attempts to undermine other people based on how one dictates how everything is done around them.:joyman:

This makes no sense. Although much can be said about the insistence that something MUST be wrong based on a situation that actually might have no correlation to something "having to be wrong." We call that confirmation bias in my field.

Here's an example, say I go "every time I post on Cardschat , 4 minutes later I lose a big hand 80% of the time." I then incorrectly conclude that posting on Cardschat causes me to lose a big hand 80% of the time. That's confirmation bias.

Compared to OP's claim that "lack of visible location data" means that "they are house players" is the same thing because we can prove beyond a doubt that some sites do NOT require display of location data and other sites make it optional. OP further claims that because location data is not displayed that this means a site is not collecting that data from certain players. But based on what data or evidence?

Also you claim "hundreds of players notices it". Notice what?

Because if you're stating hundreds of players "notice" that many player screen names do not also show location publicly...you're correct. There's plenty of sites don't require public location to be displayed. As I've stated.

My point is that the lack of publicly displayed location data means absolutely nothing. OP and yourself refuse to provide any evidence, screenshots, or even tourney records to substantiate your claims.

I'm simply pointing out the flaws in the logic presented here and asking for actual evidence to support OP's claims. Nothing personal, nothing undermining. Provide support for said claims. Simple as that.

And here's the beauty of my approach to fact seeking:

If you or OP (or anyone) proves that location data not being publicly displayed proves that a player is a house player, then I'm wrong but at least helped facilitate that desire to find the truth.

Instead of just making baseless claims and attacking the speaker and not the message.

I'm genuinely curious to know more about this location data claim...but so far neither OP, nor you who apparently supports OP's claims, have provided any evidence to make the claim seem viable.

I've stated the facts that support that a.) location data isn't required for public display on many sites and b.) just because it isn't made public doesn't necessarily mean something suspect is occurring. So screenshots?

 

[quick]

Thanks I would love to play at those sites.I have heard good things but I am USA and stuck with very little options. :tomato:

Except: Bovada, BetOnline, multiple other WPN skins, 888 (in some states) and pokerstars(in some states), Carbon, intertops, ignition. No options indeed.

I agree the US poker online situation is frustrating but yeah there's more options.

 

[leogetz79]

i've being saying here that i will never bet real money online. i dont trust it at all. sometimes you lose to some hands that of course it happens in live games too, but with less probability

 

[james bright]

Americas Card Room is a complete fraud. Just to give everyone a heads up if you play there,watch out for all the players that don't have a city or country in their profile,they are fake players,house players IMO.Upon signing up on ACR it is required and mandatory to add your city and country or you cannot join nor can you edit these out after joining. You will also notice these players are usually almost always chip leaders.I confronted ACR about these players & yes they admitted that all players are required to have city & country in their profile or cannot join.So how are these players on this site & on just about every table I play on.I myself, IMO think they are planted by the site to scam legit players and its very odd how they always only play hands that hit.Here is a chat I had with them once when I was suspicious of certain players.You can see at the end where they admit these are house players in which means this site is a complete fraud. I would go somewhere else but I am USA and there is really no where else,they know and take advantage of that too. Just putting this out there. Oh wait Im crazy & need meds as the usual cheater would accuse me of after calling them out.:reddy:

| 08.07.2018 19:20:53 | G: I have a question
| 08.07.2018 19:21:23 | Richard: Hello G, my name is Richard M, how may I help you?
| 08.07.2018 19:21:37 | G: How is there 2 players on this table im on,both joined the exact same day & both do not have a city in their profile
| 08.07.2018 19:22:00 | G: mimimb and PHw2dsi are their names
| 08.07.2018 19:22:09 | G: are these planted house players or something
| 08.07.2018 19:22:18 | G: please explain
| 08.07.2018 19:22:47 | Richard: Which is the name of the game , game ID and amount of buy in
| 08.07.2018 19:23:15 | G: Its a low stakes tourney (8799338)
| 08.07.2018 19:23:38 | G: one is getting ready to go out because i called him out in chat
| 08.07.2018 19:23:46 | G: hes running
| 08.07.2018 19:24:17 | G: now hes off the table but that is very suspisious to me
| 08.07.2018 19:24:29 | G: I would look into both those players
| 08.07.2018 19:24:41 | Richard: let me check
| 08.07.2018 19:25:32 | G: when people join your site it is mandentory to put a city & state in our profile,how do these players not have that
| 08.07.2018 19:26:20 | G: these kind of players are all over your site about on ever table
| 08.07.2018 19:26:26 | G: please expalin
| 08.07.2018 19:26:35 | G: are these your house players?
| 08.07.2018 19:27:00 | Richard: yes, sir
| 08.07.2018 19:27:22 | G: really that would mean this is a fraud
| 08.07.2018 19:27:48 | G: no wonder why these players are always chip leaders[/QUOTEWOW thanks for this post and i was wondering why in the hell they have 6 hours of late registration with unlimiterd re entry totaly bogus man i agree!!!

 

[icandonkyou]

ACR is the best site I have been too. It is fair and professional as well. They have a lot of players, you just have to learn how to play the different types of players.

 

[ScumbyG]

Cool

ACR is the best site I have been too. It is fair and professional as well. They have a lot of players, you just have to learn how to play the different types of players.

Thanks for posting & Im glad your experience at ACR is a good one. For me I question the site and certain players that are on there,the OP has nothing to do with how to play certain players or how to play poker in general.

 

[GRIN281289]

very sorry about to hear that I was thinking about this the poker room is good . the cards are dealt, there certainly is interesting perhaps that's why I liked it

 

[karlperron88]

i doubt that is true... they are making boatloads of money and the only thing they can do to jeapordize it is get caught cheating or using bots.. and even more so just blatantly admit it when asked.

 

[acemenow]

"...I don't know the answer to this for sure, but I do know there are more skins on WPN than just ACR. THere is Ya, True Poker, Black Chip Poker, PokerHost. I don't know if all the skins have the same requirements as far as information listed like country and city. …"

And to add to smallfire's point, Betcoin is also on the WPN/WTN network and I did not need to input a country when I signed up. Or at least if I did since it was so long ago, the information is not stored in my account as I just checked.

So you could as stated above easily be playing people on skins that don't have the same sign up requirements as you...

As for house players that is nothing new and can also refer to a sitting pro. Or someone that is an affiliate and has brought a certain threshold of players to the site. (IDK just thinking out loud)

Other thing is with out at least 10,000 hands to evaluate I find it hard to take any claims of nefariousness seriously. I see crazy things online and live.

I've been on ACR for a couple of years and see nothing outrageous. But I did not save my hand histories so nothing to show. Only thing I run into is the obligatory, offensive, bad beat, that erodes my civility.

At least that is my experience...

 

[Debi]

ScumbyG and TRocker are the same person - closing this thread.