I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

Rubbish.

i wonder as a lot of clever people out there, do any thing on a computer, i would like to think not but still wonder

If you see the other players cards and you go all-in with 7,4 it is a very bad program.

With huds its pretty easy to catch cheaters these days, the easiest way is to look for outliers and if you had some crazy high win rate it would stick out like a sore thumb.

Originally Posted by pentazepam

If you see the other players cards and you go all-in with 7,4 it is a very bad program.

Believe there are some real time gto programs which is terrible, but seeing the cards I don't believe.

All this nonsense. I myself had such situations when I moved AA with garbage cards.

Myth. There was a scandal years ago with Absolute Poker. People with access to the site were cheating by seeing others' cards.

If you read it on the internet it is obviously true.

This is definitely a myth, I'm sure. Very competent programmers work in every poker room, and even if such a program exists, the programmers would instantly detect it and block the account. Once I forgot to close Equilab while playing at PokerStars, and immediately an alert came in the mail.

I would say myth.

I know theres lots of software out there, HUDs, AI and whatever, but I doubt theres anything that can reveal others cards.. I bet admins for the sites can do this, but as for software I say myth.

I would think its a myth but I question all the time why some players call with bad hands yet somehow catch cards to bad beat others.

I don't believe that such a cheating computer programm does exist . Also superusers to do sth I don't find it possible . Superuser case in the past I remember one , he didn't have a programm , he was a online poker company employee , but they caught him . Nowadays they will catch you if you have results that are super above normal , like those of a superuser

if there was a cheat, and you had it i think you would be careful and use it only when it was worth your while, not all the time so as not to be found out, or that if a cheat exists, i think i will start taking pictures of my bad beats with top pairs aces kings, queen , jacks and i get beaten by 2,6, 4,7, 2,5, as i think it happens more than it should

Seeing others cards can definitely be useful. However, if you jam with 4-7 Pre just to crack AA you don't deserve this absolute cheating program 🤣. On a more serious note, I'm hoping for this to be a myth.

Originally Posted by scissaro24

I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

For your opponent to predict, that his 74 is going to make a straight or full house, he would need to know, what cards are coming. Knowing your cards is irrelevant, since it will not change his equity in the pot. He could try to bluff you, when you are weak, but since you called, that was presumably not the case.

So when people get their chips in bad and then get lucky, it is simply because, they are bad players or gamblers. There is nothing more to it, and nothing to think about or analyse. Just suck it up, reload and look to play the next hand or the next tournament.

That being said there have been cases in online poker of people knowing other players hole cards. The largest and most known is the Absolute Poker / Ultimate Bet super user scandal in 2007-2008. There are also cases, where someone has installed spy software on the computers of their poker “friends” and cheated them this way.

If you want to know, how people actually play, when they know their opponents hole cards, there are hours of video on Youtube about Mike Postle. Watching some of that will teach you, what to look out for.

I believe that huge poker rooms have a strong defence against cheat's like this...

The best thing to do it's to not waste time thinking on things we can't control

Myth. Sort of.....there was once a recorded situation where a player/former employee was able to see others cards. I think it was Absolute poker.

Originally Posted by scissaro24

I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

I believe that is a myth. It may feel like they have insight, but it is truly just a matter of variance coming into play.

Originally Posted by Backlash

Myth. Sort of.....there was once a recorded situation where a player/former employee was able to see others cards. I think it was Absolute poker.

what was the outcome of the absolute poker scam, is he now working for an online poker site, working to prevent it happening again.

I haven't heard such a cheat computer program. I read about a program that automatically plays poker for you. Nevertheless, I can imagine it exists, a hacker can do for themselves.

I seriously doubt there is a program that reveals whole cards, but there are some smart crooks out there...

I'm sure there are some ways it can be done, but i'm sure most of the major sites are tech that can prevent this sort of thing.

In a world of high technology,everything is possible.I hope that these cheaters get banned from the poker rooms.

They are just fishes. And eventually they will hit a straight one of twenty times, but most of the cases they will be punished. I don't believe in such programs that you mentioned.

There are myths and legends, but with programming you can do that, what I don't think possible is that the poker rooms lend themselves to do it.

Originally Posted by lovemetender

In a world of high technology,everything is possible.I hope that these cheaters get banned from the poker rooms.

So the company will ban itself?

Originally Posted by acidburnfx

So the company will ban itself?

Of couese not.They command the system.

Originally Posted by scissaro24

I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

A bug needs to be physically installed into your computer before that can be done.

Originally Posted by pentazepam

If you see the other players cards and you go all-in with 7,4 it is a very bad program.

not if it wins like he said.......................

Originally Posted by scissaro24

I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

Probably nonsense, they would have to access server side code. And then if the coders were smart they wouldn't allow the entire flop/turn/river to be predetermined, so the random card would only be generated after each betting round making it impossible to foresee the card. Theoretically if they can access your system they can view your screen? I think that would be extremely difficult to accomplish and would take a lot of time to gain access to just one persons machine.

One potential real cheating system are bot rings which collude with each other therefore knowing which cards aren't in the remaining deck.

Second possibility are very advanced bots that people payed a lot of money to research and develop that optimally adjust to other player stats.

Third possibility are house bots used by the poker sites themselves, since they put so much R&D into bot detection they probably also have the tools to make these bots (I guess it's possible for some sketchy lesser known poker rooms to do this though I've never actually heard of any cases of it).

A program thAt Shows other peoples cards would have to hack the poker Rooms Server automagically.... If You had a program like this you would use it to hack a Bank instead of cheating some recreational poker Players Out of 100 Dollars....
And the US government would have used it to hack and shut down ACR....

Originally Posted by scissaro24

I have heard rumors that there is a cheat computer programme that online players use to play, enabling them to see other players hands, when you see some of the players go all in with 4 7 and they hit a straight or a ful, house it makes you wonder, any thoughts on this

You are claiming that not only can they see your hand, but somehow can manipulate the randomness of the online poker room's system to deal themselves a winning hand. You need to decide which the cheating program can do; in addition to having a bit more evidence than just this kind of speculation.

Originally Posted by okiepokerplayer

You are claiming that not only can they see your hand, but somehow can manipulate the randomness of the online poker room's system to deal themselves a winning hand. You need to decide which the cheating program can do; in addition to having a bit more evidence than just this kind of speculation.

This has created a lot of interest. I have played for many years on many different poker sites. Over those years I have seen many many players go all in not just at the start of games when a lot do for the fun of it but when the game has progressed. They appear to play hands that have no chance of winning but miraculously they hit and put out really strong hands which should have won. Now to me this is more than chance or luck on the turn or river as the hand should have been folded. Hence my original post truth or myth. As other people have responded and told that there was a scandal with one poker site. As there are very clever people in this world what’s to say it is still happening today. My computer knowledge is very limited due to my age but a whiz kid expert could make a lot of money before or if ever being found out. Also would the poker sites reveal if they had been scammed. If they did no one would feel safe to play. Makes you wonder. Keep a note of your table play and see how many really bad beats there are. Much much more than in live games. ???

I would say myth, there is no spoon lol

i have been monitoring hands for a couple of weeks to add to the myth, sky poker, guy goes all in with pocket kings, most fold gets one call with 2, 10, diamonds, he was not low on chips and plenty of blinds and playing steady until then, he hits flush on flop, another sky poker, pocket jacks all in gets called by 2, 6 off suit and hits str8 on flop, i could go on and on with other sites, when these players are knocked out many chatting around table hence truth or myth do they really know whats coming

Yes, there is manipulation

This is not a myth but the truth! But until that happens fortunately to fraudulent poker rooms! Most recently, this was on the Doha Poker! There gave mad deposit bonuses but super, users from all of the poker room won!

thats the same question like Is Online Poker Rigged?

have not put any messages for a while as quite inactive. But will again recall last message regarding silly all ins that win, just played cardschat monthly game on Pokestars, my hand a,4 hearts lost to 2 8 off suit who hit full house, i had 2 pair, if these are cheap programmes surely whoever sponsors the games should follow them and make sure that it close to a true game not a lottery as it appears to be.

some my suggest that a 4 is not an all in hand but i feelit is alot better than 2 8. the post i put on months ago was do these players use cheats online to see wat is coming out oe else why would you play 2 8, which i would think the majority of players would fold when dealt unless they are in the blinds which this hand they were not.

I personally don't believe in this in the bigger and well known poker rooms. Poker rooms are too scared to lose their license. So think they check for this very tightly.

surely there are various programs well I can program myself but, these servers can filter out bots and programs and I won't let them in already..that's in vain there is something cheating on her if she can't use it ..

unequivocally a myth. It is impossible to see other people's cards. Then everything is calculated.

Only ways this would be possible is
1. the client gets sent card information of other players outside of the showdown which can be read then displayed
2. user or somebody has administrative access and can see hole cards.

a myth, in well-known poker rooms the security system is very high since there is a lot of money spinning there

A myth. Sure, there have been instances where cheating like this has occurred such as Mike Postle and Absolute Poker but once discovered the cheat has been blocked by security.