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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Unless its based on the latest generation AI software, which is able to adjust to opponents, then the answer is yes. The bot will be programmed to take certain actions in certain situations, and unless its programmed to be perfectly balanced, you can find the areas, where its unbalanced, and relentlessly exploit it.
If for instance it fold to much to check-raises, you can just check-raise away, and unlike a human opponent it will never pick up on it and adjust. It will just continue to fold, even when you have been check-raising in 8 of the last 10 opportunities.
I used to play quite a bit against bots on Zynga play money tables several years ago, and these bots were easily exploitable. I do fear however, that programmers have become better, and of course there is also more incentive to make a very good bot in real money games. So if I thought, a particular opponent was a bot, I would probably mostly be looking to avoid.
If for instance it fold to much to check-raises, you can just check-raise away, and unlike a human opponent it will never pick up on it and adjust. It will just continue to fold, even when you have been check-raising in 8 of the last 10 opportunities.
I used to play quite a bit against bots on Zynga play money tables several years ago, and these bots were easily exploitable. I do fear however, that programmers have become better, and of course there is also more incentive to make a very good bot in real money games. So if I thought, a particular opponent was a bot, I would probably mostly be looking to avoid.
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domfudao
Rock Star
Silver Level
I dont believe this in pokerstars for example.
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EarnDAStack
Visionary
Bronze Level
I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.
I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.
My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.
I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.
The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them
I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.
My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.
I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.
The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them
Poker Orifice
Fully Tilted
Platinum Level
Transcendence
Visionary
Silver Level
I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.
I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.
My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.
I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.
The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them
I think you're wrong about AI. AI learns and learns by playing fair what cards come in such he plays, and Pokerbot cheating. There's a difference between an AI and a Pokerbot.
kraemer
Visionary
Silver Level
As long as you dont have the source code you will need to beat them
in the same way you beat any other opponent. Watch his game and
discover exploitable patterns...
Maybe they are even easier to beat, because you might be able to scare
them out of hands by making bets that destroy their pot odds. I would
guess that bots will pay a lot more attention to the actual odds than the
average micro stakes player
in the same way you beat any other opponent. Watch his game and
discover exploitable patterns...
Maybe they are even easier to beat, because you might be able to scare
them out of hands by making bets that destroy their pot odds. I would
guess that bots will pay a lot more attention to the actual odds than the
average micro stakes player
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akufto
Rock Star
Silver Level
this is purely my opinion, if there is a poker bot and it is a bot from this poker room, then what cards would you not be handed out, this bot will still win you with any trifle on hand, so play and pray luck that this bot does not get with you at the table
8bod8
Legend
Silver Level
look at chess,
-long ago any good player could beat the computer
-nowadays....I'm not too sure the human is still winning
with poker bots it's similar:
asuming the bots getting better, it's becoming more and more difficult for a human to:
1) identify the bot
2) beat the bot
make sure not to go to showdown too often, as the bot will learn fast...
-long ago any good player could beat the computer
-nowadays....I'm not too sure the human is still winning
with poker bots it's similar:
asuming the bots getting better, it's becoming more and more difficult for a human to:
1) identify the bot
2) beat the bot
make sure not to go to showdown too often, as the bot will learn fast...
najisami
Legend
Loyaler
Yeah Kraemer, what you said makes sense. Against a bot or a human opponent, it is true that you need to watch their play and act accordingly. The problem with a bot though is that by the time you discover the patterns, you could've spent a lot of money. So unless you have tons of it, you might not have the opportunity to exploit those patterns...
