is there a way to trick a poker bot?

Unless its based on the latest generation AI software, which is able to adjust to opponents, then the answer is yes. The bot will be programmed to take certain actions in certain situations, and unless its programmed to be perfectly balanced, you can find the areas, where its unbalanced, and relentlessly exploit it.

If for instance it fold to much to check-raises, you can just check-raise away, and unlike a human opponent it will never pick up on it and adjust. It will just continue to fold, even when you have been check-raising in 8 of the last 10 opportunities.

I used to play quite a bit against bots on Zynga play money tables several years ago, and these bots were easily exploitable. I do fear however, that programmers have become better, and of course there is also more incentive to make a very good bot in real money games. So if I thought, a particular opponent was a bot, I would probably mostly be looking to avoid.

The bot can be identified with a delay of 6 seconds to make a decision in each distribution of cards, and if you are sure that it is a bot, then I think it is not difficult to deceive.

I dont believe this in pokerstars for example.

I think not unless it was programmed for these kinds of situations!

I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.

I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.

My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.

I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.

The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them

You buy a better bot.

This is where comes exploitative strategy/playing, there isnt 100% GTO strategy figured out yet so you can beat it.

The first thing is the ability to spot a bot. The six delay is interesting. Is that accurate? What level of games do people spot the bots operating on in cash games? What websites?

I think yes. But you have to play bunch of hands in order to figure out his algorhytm. After that i think you can exploit them

In any case, the bot can be fooled, they have their own limitations, that is, they basically just copy the visions of the players thereby learning and learning but to a certain level.

If you have their HUD stats it would help determine a strategy to exploit them.

Originally Posted by 12345djon

The bot can be identified with a delay of 6 seconds to make a decision in each distribution of cards, and if you are sure that it is a bot, then I think it is not difficult to deceive.

How do you know this information? (re: 6 seconds)

Yea. A bot will delay 6 seconds? Where did you hear this?

No! It's called a dynamic flop!

Originally Posted by EarnDAStack

I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.

I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.

My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.

I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.

The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them

I think you're wrong about AI. AI learns and learns by playing fair what cards come in such he plays, and Pokerbot cheating. There's a difference between an AI and a Pokerbot.

As long as you dont have the source code you will need to beat them
in the same way you beat any other opponent. Watch his game and
discover exploitable patterns...
Maybe they are even easier to beat, because you might be able to scare
them out of hands by making bets that destroy their pot odds. I would
guess that bots will pay a lot more attention to the actual odds than the
average micro stakes player

this is purely my opinion, if there is a poker bot and it is a bot from this poker room, then what cards would you not be handed out, this bot will still win you with any trifle on hand, so play and pray luck that this bot does not get with you at the table

look at chess,
-long ago any good player could beat the computer
-nowadays....I'm not too sure the human is still winning

with poker bots it's similar:
asuming the bots getting better, it's becoming more and more difficult for a human to:
1) identify the bot
2) beat the bot
make sure not to go to showdown too often, as the bot will learn fast...

i second to avoid going to showdown as often as possible if you suspect a bot as it will learn your game but as long as you switch it up you should always come ahead with a bot at the table. ie predictable play etc

Random splash pots throw a wrench into the bots. A player would have to defy logic to trick a bot.

Yeah Kraemer, what you said makes sense. Against a bot or a human opponent, it is true that you need to watch their play and act accordingly. The problem with a bot though is that by the time you discover the patterns, you could've spent a lot of money. So unless you have tons of it, you might not have the opportunity to exploit those patterns...

i think it would depend how often the programer reviews the bot's hands and adjust its balance

In Zoom I often see player doing mini-raises, no matter the cards. Always think these must be bots. Maybe bots in testing-mode.

I have a question here, since some of you seem to know about this bot stuff. Will the bots always be completely silent? Someone told me random "hi" or "nh" could still be a bot..

I think only a bot creator can give a pertinent answer

Strobe lights. They fall right over.

New programs dont have the same time delay every hand. They now adjust for hands they play. So you still pay attention to timing. Look for fast folds and timing on played hands.

Other thing is pot odds.
If the number are off they fold every time.

I used to think that in the long run, yes, easily. Unfortunately, by now I think the exact opposite. Long term is now impossible, only short term chance.

I have definitely wondered this, and I am unsure if I have fooled a bot or not. It is quite hard to figure out whats what for me, they all seem to play badly haha. On a serious note, I wish they would do something to counter these bots, I dont mind losing to a real person, but losing to someones program kinda sucks.

Pokerbots = easy $$$. They will only make logical plays. I believe the hands they play are easy to identify.

I try to switch my play up a bit if I suspect a bot.. Not sure if it works though lol

if you find a bot, it ****s trash and you don't do all in until you have a very good hand on the flop

cray that bots. are even a thing

If you want to become a poker bot.