Hi
I was looking at some RFI 15bb ranges from Pairrd, and it shows that you should limp a ton also from early positions. I have just started playing poker online small stakes and thought that limping just looks wrong when playing small stakes. It also shows to mix in some jams as bluffs, but will people in the small stakes fold enough for that to be a good play, cause I do no think so. What are your thoughts about that?
Thanks in advance

Everything is described in this article: https://upswingpoker.com/preflop-ope...rfi-explained/.

Originally Posted by Hauskenzzz

I was looking at some RFI 15bb ranges from Pairrd, and it shows that you should limp a ton also from early positions.

That sounds rather outdated to me. Be aware that all free material on the internet is not of the same quality (obviously).

I personally never limp as a RFI. I suggest that you consult some preflop charts designed for 15bb play. Poker Coaching has very good charts for different stack sizes, however, I am not sure are they free of charge.

Hmm , interesting , never seen those ranges. Pairrd is by Raise Your Edge if I am not mistaken. Apparently the whole poker community gives credits to Ben.
Are those ranges applicable to your stakes? If yes go ahead but as a micro player my self why play GTO since I can open jam purely for value and get called with air?(that was an extreme example).

My point is to adapt , against top regulars I guess those ranges are handy but against the average micro player why bother? Keep it simple and when you move stakes you should study more those more complex strategies.

Originally Posted by akmost

Hmm , interesting , never seen those ranges. Pairrd is by Raise Your Edge if I am not mistaken. Apparently the whole poker community gives credits to Ben.
Are those ranges applicable to your stakes? If yes go ahead but as a micro player my self why play GTO since I can open jam purely for value and get called with air?(that was an extreme example).

My point is to adapt , against top regulars I guess those ranges are handy but against the average micro player why bother? Keep it simple and when you move stakes you should study more those more complex strategies.

Yes, that was what I thought also. Thanks!

Originally Posted by akmost

Hmm , interesting , never seen those ranges. Pairrd is by Raise Your Edge if I am not mistaken.

Ok in that case I guess, the charts are not outdated. But that does not mean, they are particularly good either. In general static preflop charts are almost useless for tournaments, because ranges will depend on, how much ICM pressure you are under, and what the stack sizes of the other players at the table are. So there is not even such a thing as a "15 BB chart", which you can just stick to like a robot.

As for open limping with a 15BB stack the idea behind it is to avoid a situation, where other players can very profitably 3-bet jam. But this again depends on the stage of the tournament and other players stack sizes. If you are the short stack and everyone else have 30+BB, then CO can not profitably 3-bet light, because he would essentially be risking 30BB or more against 3 players behind him.

Also in micro or low stakes tournament a lot of players will not understand those spots, where they can profitably 3-bet jam 30% of their hands against you. So they will not do it. Instead they will either fold or call, and this mean, you can get away with still min-raising in situations, where maybe a GTO solver would come up with limping as a better strategy in order to be able to play more hands.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Ok in that case I guess, the charts are not outdated. But that does not mean, they are particularly good either. In general static preflop charts are almost useless for tournaments, because ranges will depend on, how much ICM pressure you are under, and what the stack sizes of the other players at the table are. So there is not even such a thing as a "15 BB chart", which you can just stick to like a robot.

As for open limping with a 15BB stack the idea behind it is to avoid a situation, where other players can very profitably 3-bet jam. But this again depends on the stage of the tournament and other players stack sizes. If you are the short stack and everyone else have 30+BB, then CO can not profitably 3-bet light, because he would essentially be risking 30BB or more against 3 players behind him.

Also in micro or low stakes tournament a lot of players will not understand those spots, where they can profitably 3-bet jam 30% of their hands against you. So they will not do it. Instead they will either fold or call, and this mean, you can get away with still min-raising in situations, where maybe a GTO solver would come up with limping as a better strategy in order to be able to play more hands.

Well said , GTO concepts are OK very cute but not applicable against the poker population. Playing like robot because the solver says that or the other isn't applicable even in the bigger stakes as far as I know , plus GTO scenarios in not the aggressive road , is more on the passive approach except from some marginal spots or check raises in order to avoid the exploitation etc.(I write only with the almost zero knowledge about GTO).

Following by heart the 15bbs ranges? Nah why? So yes very good in detail analysis here by you