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So, just curious, how many of you here play online for a living? Or for a part time / side income?

More specifically and more interesting to myself - how many do this on ACR? Im a VA resident and my online options are limited. I am considering possibly a side hustle online or even perhaps making a leap to full time in the near future. Anyhow, please let me know your stories :)
 
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it would be ideal if i can make partial income by playing poker. but i suppose it's not as easy, as i am not a typical person who follows discipline
 
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I mean I really suppose what you mean by a living. ACR can be extremely slow and grindy during the day so you would probably be best served playing at night and or the weekends. There are many times when at anything above the micros it's all the same guys. What stakes did you have in mind?
 
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I would like to know anyone who has won a good bit much less than a living. Only chance is to get a Backer unless you got money and go big. Their pretty good up in the 50/100. Take your lunch. Online is full of patterns. Most of them boys know the patterns. I watch them all the time. About as close to real poker as your going to get online. You can always tell when some fish comes up and plays with these boys. They think there AA Is going to win. Them boys know around about what's coming. No one is that lucky.
 
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everybody asks this question, One way or another.
apparently companies do a good job with marketing, show players who have nothing happen to be millionaires.
imagine that this was so easy, no one would work.
This is so easy, somebody are blessed with this and others have to really work to make a living
 
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I mean I really suppose what you mean by a living. ACR can be extremely slow and grindy during the day so you would probably be best served playing at night and or the weekends. There are many times when at anything above the micros it's all the same guys. What stakes did you have in mind?


As a side hustle? Minimum 25nl along with some SNGs and few MTTs. If i were to try and crack into it as a "full time job"...minimum 100nl, probably 200nl instead really. The fact you can multi table and see so many more hands its doable at these levels...just not easy whatsoever.

Like i said, was really just curious as to anyone on here who currently does happen to grind out a living or part time income from online poker. Trust me, i know it isnt easy or a sure thing. Just wanted to have someone whos in the know offer up some advice on the subject.
 
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Earn on poker is not given to all, this take a vacation, play, and then draw conclusions
 
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I've seen semi pro Matt Vaughn play BetOnline games from Twitch or Youtube streams before but even he said he technically works for a poker training site and so its not his "primary" source of income. The only thing he said about it was - and I quote - "I do win money playing poker and I play alot, thats all I can say". So anyhow, yeah I've seen a few people upload / stream some serious sessions online. Just wanted to hear from any of the players on this site that do such a thing.

Super curious as to whether or not anyone makes a living / side hustle from ACR? Thanks for the replies so far, i've enjoyed them.
 
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I have a few friends who playing for a living and in the future I hope to also play poker for a living, because I think that is very cool, you always have money, you don't have to wake up in the morning and you're making money on your hobby!
 
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I only play online poker and I really like it. Fortunately, we can play online poker on all resources in Russia and I am very, very happy about it.
 
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Super curious as to whether or not anyone makes a living / side hustle from ACR? Thanks for the replies so far, i've enjoyed them.


Also curious?

I have been playing ACR for a couple of months, and quickly realized I was at a disadvantage because of my lack of tracking software and a HUD, but I am looking to advance my game on ACR using these tools... are you using HUD/Tracker software Jon?
 
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I would like to make poker, but so far it's just a hobby, not enough knowledge and experience ....:D
 
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Check Out the Thread "Does Poker Pay Your Rent?"

There aren't that many positive results/Posts, though I didn't expect Much!!

Poker is very much like a Ponzi Scheme if you think about it lol

Where all the Contestants/Players enter at the bottom of the tournament and the cream floats to the top...

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or more like...

Ponzi-Scheme.jpg

LOL

So that's why There Are far more Bad Beat Stories in CardsChat Forum than Informational Posts...

Hence the heavy use of Freerolls by Poker Fans and the set up of Clubs that offer them!!!

Casinos and online gaming thrive on the Rakes but getting those dubious players through the doors requires a little cunning...

@CardsChat offer both Player and Casino a solution and Benefit from both parties...

I'm Not packing in my day time job any time soon... I'm going to keep on pumping out Quality Posts so i may Benefit from the forum as the forum benefits from my contributions....

I think of the forum like Audrey II in Little Shop of Horrors lol "Feed Me Seymour!!!", "Quality Posts!!!"

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"Ok Audrey II, I'll Feed You, Can I Have another Freeroll Now? please?"

Stop when the fun stops or when you need to FEED Audrey II :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
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I enjoy playing poker. Money it's pleasant bonus in game.
 
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are you using HUD/Tracker software Jon?

I have used both HoldemManager2 and PokerTracker4 - they are both great programs. I prefer PT4 and though i found it very useful - i havnt paid for it just yet. I beleive if i were to ever take the game seriously enough that i would gladly pay for PT4. I may end up buying it over the next few weeks as a matter of fact - even if i dont decide to use the HUD very much it still provides some excellent feedback, hand history, results and helps fix leaks.


So i dont think HUDs are for everyone, ive done without it so long i am used to tagging people via the note system - overall though, a HUD can be very handy.

So to recap and answer your question - do i use them currently? No i do not. Would i? Yes, absolutely especially if i were looking to play for $$ instead of moreorless a time killer/hobby.
 
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So, just curious, how many of you here play online for a living? Or for a part time / side income?

More specifically and more interesting to myself - how many do this on ACR? Im a VA resident and my online options are limited. I am considering possibly a side hustle online or even perhaps making a leap to full time in the near future. Anyhow, please let me know your stories :)

Used to play for living for several years. Started with lessons, passed a quiz and earned a free $50 bankroll. Turned it into $800 during my first month. Spent several years playing 6-7 days a week, minimum 5 hours per day. Every month was profitable. PLayed at several sites, 12 tables maximum.

I believe that this playing thousands of hands each day is a single way to have positive saldo. Since we all understand that during some time all of the money deposited today will be casinos money because of the rake, we have to understand that the driver of this machine is the regular player.
Regular player is like a dealer in a black jack. BJ dealer stops at some point - that's his strategy and it pays well in a long run. Some with poker reg, he has a strategy that pays well in a long run. Mathematically - you'll be hitting set on a flop with any pocket pair once in every 7 deals, you will get AA once in every 300 deals...SO If you're playing just one table you might be bored to wait for the action. If you're playing 10 tables - you see x10 more deals and there will always be a table with action, so you won't get bored. By the end of the year two things are pretty equal. The rake generated for the casino and increase of your bankroll. If you've generated $10K rake and you've got +20K bankroll - you've been lucky and smart, haven't done any stupid moves. If you've generated $10K rake and bankroll increased by just 2K then it means you're tilting.
Being a reg is like signing a unofficial contract with poker room, the more hands you'll play - the better you'll be paid.

If you're increasing your bankroll without withdrawing it then things are going better and better. When you'll decide to cash out big part of your bankroll or all of it and start all over again from micro limits to high stakes then you'll be surprised with a long period of sick bad beats. Thats my observation, ofcouse people say that online poker is not rigged and random number generators are fair, but after withdrawing 90% of bankroll the remaining 10% wont last long, it doesn't matter how tight and smart your game is, 1 out will work way to often for your opponents.

I believe that the time when online poker and poker in general was a great place to make money is over. There is simply too much info around about poker and miracles when casino player wins big money on a roulette table and suddenly decides to play high stakes Holdem are not happening these days. Poker rooms consume all of the money in a long run, and more and more fish has to deposit money to let the pros and regs win it, but since the fish is able to study and read the articles then it's hard to say who is the fish at any moment of time at the table.

Online poker can change and become profitable for players only in one case. Since there is no difference for PC server when its hosting a freeroll or $109 buy-in tournament. BUT there is a huge difference for casino owners when their servers exchange several kilowatts of electricity together with traffic for $9 rake paid by each one of the 1000 players who registered... the PC server has generated $9k profit during 7 hours of tournament, and consumed 9kW of energy and 2Gb of traffic... at the same time a $10 freeroll consumed same traffic and energy and generated no profit. One single $109 tourney generates enough profit to provide thousand of freerolls for the next month. Who has a financial loss in this case? Players do.

The best thing online poker rooms can do about it is to switch from rake to subscription plans. Like pay $30 per month and play all tournaments with no rake, or pay $5 per month and play only micro limits with no rake. Current system is rigged, poker rooms are swallowing all money, and all they need is new deposits, that's why we see so much advertising around.

What is the conclusion?
Number of players increases while number of fish is getting lower each year. Can you make constant profit in such coditions? Rakeback options are not as good as they used to be in the past... 100 year life is 876.000 hours including 30% sleep time. Do you think that it's a good option to spend some % of your life for browsing pixels at your screen and believeing that you see poker cards? Do you think that it's a good option to make money by creating no product and no service, by sitting at a chair several hours a day and clicking those 3 buttons? I used to think that it's good, and it was running good when i did that, but at some point I've realised that i'm not doing anything useful for the society, not doing anything useful for myself, it's all about the money, but I have many other much more interesting and exsciting options to generate money by doing useful things for the society. The best thing each poker player can do is to set some goals for online poker and poker in general, and when you reach your goals try to calculate everything. Time spent, per hour rate, compare it with the other options in your life... If you have nothing better to do, then go on. If poker is filling your world then go on... Poker was filling my world until I felt that in reality it's quite empty. One of my friends says that professional poker player is someone between scavenger crow and pickpocket thief, and I had arguments in past against it, but currently I have none, except for the argument that it's a army of thieves in a poker room country with its laws, where the leader gets it the major profit, while soldiers have to share the rest.
 
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Play for a living is my goal. I'm still far from it. I keep enjoying my sections, keep learning, playing as much as I can, practicing my patience and discipline. I'm gonna reach this point, for sure.
 
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I would like to play this game for living, but somehow I'm afraid to lose all my bankroll in 2 months
 
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I would like to play this game for living, but somehow I'm afraid to lose all my bankroll in 2 months



I’m in the same spot. The one thing I keep telling myself is only play with what I can lose. Scared money is dangerous for me. And if you take a bad beat take some time and regroup before your next session. Good luck and good skill man
 
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I would love to be able to play poker for a living but my past winnings to this point have only been able to pay for buy-ins. Sometime in the near future hopefully I'll get good enough to be at the final table of the wsop but until then I'll be working 9 to 5.
 
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So, just curious, how many of you here play online for a living? Or for a part time / side income?

More specifically and more interesting to myself - how many do this on ACR? Im a VA resident and my online options are limited. I am considering possibly a side hustle online or even perhaps making a leap to full time in the near future. Anyhow, please let me know your stories :)




Great question. I've wondered the same thing as my dream is to play poker fulltime as a pro
 
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Used to play for living for several years. Started with lessons, passed a quiz and earned a free $50 bankroll. Turned it into $800 during my first month. Spent several years playing 6-7 days a week, minimum 5 hours per day. Every month was profitable. PLayed at several sites, 12 tables maximum.

I believe that this playing thousands of hands each day is a single way to have positive saldo. Since we all understand that during some time all of the money deposited today will be casinos money because of the rake, we have to understand that the driver of this machine is the regular player.
Regular player is like a dealer in a black jack. BJ dealer stops at some point - that's his strategy and it pays well in a long run. Some with poker reg, he has a strategy that pays well in a long run. Mathematically - you'll be hitting set on a flop with any pocket pair once in every 7 deals, you will get AA once in every 300 deals...SO If you're playing just one table you might be bored to wait for the action. If you're playing 10 tables - you see x10 more deals and there will always be a table with action, so you won't get bored. By the end of the year two things are pretty equal. The rake generated for the casino and increase of your bankroll. If you've generated $10K rake and you've got +20K bankroll - you've been lucky and smart, haven't done any stupid moves. If you've generated $10K rake and bankroll increased by just 2K then it means you're tilting.
Being a reg is like signing a unofficial contract with poker room, the more hands you'll play - the better you'll be paid.

If you're increasing your bankroll without withdrawing it then things are going better and better. When you'll decide to cash out big part of your bankroll or all of it and start all over again from micro limits to high stakes then you'll be surprised with a long period of sick bad beats. Thats my observation, ofcouse people say that online poker is not rigged and random number generators are fair, but after withdrawing 90% of bankroll the remaining 10% wont last long, it doesn't matter how tight and smart your game is, 1 out will work way to often for your opponents.

I believe that the time when online poker and poker in general was a great place to make money is over. There is simply too much info around about poker and miracles when casino player wins big money on a roulette table and suddenly decides to play high stakes Holdem are not happening these days. Poker rooms consume all of the money in a long run, and more and more fish has to deposit money to let the pros and regs win it, but since the fish is able to study and read the articles then it's hard to say who is the fish at any moment of time at the table.

Online poker can change and become profitable for players only in one case. Since there is no difference for PC server when its hosting a freeroll or $109 buy-in tournament. BUT there is a huge difference for casino owners when their servers exchange several kilowatts of electricity together with traffic for $9 rake paid by each one of the 1000 players who registered... the PC server has generated $9k profit during 7 hours of tournament, and consumed 9kW of energy and 2Gb of traffic... at the same time a $10 freeroll consumed same traffic and energy and generated no profit. One single $109 tourney generates enough profit to provide thousand of freerolls for the next month. Who has a financial loss in this case? Players do.

The best thing online poker rooms can do about it is to switch from rake to subscription plans. Like pay $30 per month and play all tournaments with no rake, or pay $5 per month and play only micro limits with no rake. Current system is rigged, poker rooms are swallowing all money, and all they need is new deposits, that's why we see so much advertising around.

What is the conclusion?
Number of players increases while number of fish is getting lower each year. Can you make constant profit in such coditions? Rakeback options are not as good as they used to be in the past... 100 year life is 876.000 hours including 30% sleep time. Do you think that it's a good option to spend some % of your life for browsing pixels at your screen and believeing that you see poker cards? Do you think that it's a good option to make money by creating no product and no service, by sitting at a chair several hours a day and clicking those 3 buttons? I used to think that it's good, and it was running good when i did that, but at some point I've realised that i'm not doing anything useful for the society, not doing anything useful for myself, it's all about the money, but I have many other much more interesting and exsciting options to generate money by doing useful things for the society. The best thing each poker player can do is to set some goals for online poker and poker in general, and when you reach your goals try to calculate everything. Time spent, per hour rate, compare it with the other options in your life... If you have nothing better to do, then go on. If poker is filling your world then go on... Poker was filling my world until I felt that in reality it's quite empty. One of my friends says that professional poker player is someone between scavenger crow and pickpocket thief, and I had arguments in past against it, but currently I have none, except for the argument that it's a army of thieves in a poker room country with its laws, where the leader gets it the major profit, while soldiers have to share the rest.



I play Semi-Pro, I work 3 days a week and the others I play poker, it’s doing well, well apart from today when I lost my buy-in! Variance I guess!
 
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I might be wrong but I would guess that in order for poker to be a full-time job and to make a living from it (to cover cost of living in the US at least), you'd have to play 200NL or higher which means being good at multi-tabling 6max cash since there are rarely full ring games at higher stakes. As far as MTTs, probably best to play higher buy-in smaller field tourneys so you can cash more often and keep variance to a minimum.
 
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I would like to know anyone who has won a good bit much less than a living. Only chance is to get a Backer unless you got money and go big. Their pretty good up in the 50/100. Take your lunch. Online is full of patterns. Most of them boys know the patterns. I watch them all the time. About as close to real poker as your going to get online. You can always tell when some fish comes up and plays with these boys. They think there AA Is going to win. Them boys know around about what's coming. No one is that lucky.


lol, are you saying the players "know" when certain cards are coming because the cards come in a set pattern?
lol - paranoid much?
No dude, no one knows what card are coming.
 
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Very few people earn poker.
To earn, you need a lot of time, discipline and a good bankroll.For me personally, poker is a hobby, and if I can win something,I immediately withdraw almost the entire amount to feel,that time was not wasted:)
 
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