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wildjoker68

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I play from time to time at different poker sites,

here is a list of sites that I have played, and have seen nearly the same results with all online poker sites.

1. pokerstars, Play money...
2. Americas card room
3. Black chip, and I know it's the same as ACR
4. intertops
5. Global Poker
6. ignition
7. Bovada and I know it's the same as Ignition.

first off, I would like to say that I'm a pretty decent poker player, not pro, but close to being pro, I have taken 1st place out of 2800 people, and won more than a lot of people on MTT games,

I also know, after playing poker for the past few yrs. there has been a big change in how the cards at all the online poker sites dealt.

ever since PLO started to really take off in the online poker world, the boards started pairing way more often than they should.

Some sites pair between 60 and 70% of the time and others Pair closer to 80% of the time.

you can't use skill and math with online poker". Not when the odds Are Stacked Against You. every board is Lotto Poker..it has became more like playing roulette than NLH.

Before some Ignorant person says, hey man, you have to know that if you're playing more hands, you're going to see more pairs an hr.

Because, I'm not talking how many hands an HR. I'm telling you that the Boards are pairing close to 80% of the time, 7 or 8 poker Boards pairing out of 10.

A poker Board should only pair 42% of the time.
an Ace or a King should only hit the Board, 56% of the time.
that's how a real deck of cards work.

But online Poker it not really poker at all. it's more like a bingo, lotto, or a roulette table game than it is poker.

My latest example of this, is when I played Global Pokers 5K game 4/26/20
the first 8 boards paired 6 out of 8 times,

I have been playing at ACR that day, and also have been playing at black chip, every day for over 2 months like 10 hrs a day, and have been seeing that kind of thing going on there too,

not to mention going to bet online and playing the freeroll game from the site called the ... can't say that here, because they won't allow it. but the board pairs at all the sites like I've mentioned.

before you say anything against this post, first play a MTT tournament, or any cash game where the boards run all the way out and count the pairs. you will see more pairs than a pare tree.. and not to mention more runners than what's in Phil Naggy's underwear, and I have heard, that's a lot of runners..lol..

I still feel your chances at making money with online poker is better than a state lotto, but it's not going to be people with good math skills, and good poker playing that will be making the money at it.

you can't be going by pot odds like you would in a live casino, or a home game, not when the boards are pairing 70 to 80% of the time".

but if you know that already, then just go play and have fun, but I wouldn't recommend making a big deposit at any poker site, nor would I recommend depositing any money that you don't care if you lose.

People complain all the time about bad beats, and so many people here are to ignorant to even consider that the person making the claim might know more than they do, and maybe they should investigate the claims first, before attacking the person who brings the warning or claim that online poker is rigged and stacked against real poker players with math skills,

wait" did I just say rigged? well do you have any Idea how much money it takes to get a poker site online, and obtain a license?

have you ever investigated the owners of these sites, or networks?

Did you know that ACR or the winning poker network is owned by the same man who owns the US military of defense?

but you know that you can always trust the US owners right? ;) :D
They can't cheat" they are all investigated, and monitored.
and you can't cheat or your site would be shut down so fast"

lol.. so funny..really is. because people have been paid off before. and when there is money like this, there will always be corruption.

The US military of defense. think about this one last topic.

Do you believe for one minute that the US military couldn't find Bin laden for how many yrs? and he was a childhood friend of George Bush.

then when we did find him, we killed him, and then took his dead body from the building we killed him in, then took him onto a ship, and then just tossed him in the sea? lmao..
every soldier involved in seal team 6 that went into that building to kill Bin Laden died a mysterious way,

But if you choose to believe in the American dream, Then you can't be educated until you wake up"

American Pride is a joke, proud to be American? why, because your parents had sex? then conceived you, then decided to stay in America until you were born? nothing you had any choice in there. nothing to be proud of, that's for sure.

There's no Black and White Race.. we are all One race, and that's the human race..
the only thing that can be said about this human race is some people are a sleep, and others are awake.

Good luck at the tables, and have some fun, life is short.

this lock down is hurting us way more than the invisible boogie man called the Corona virus. but try to stay healthy. Peace.
.Wildjoker68
 
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Is this just personal observation or do you have statistics from a large sample size to back this up?
 
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I don't have statistics but I feel fairly confident in what you are saying about board pairs. I see them much more often online than I do at a casino or at home games.

And I am an American and have been saying for years that I am happy/fortunate to be an American but I am not proud to be an American. USA has done some of the most despicable stuff others around the world. This country should be ashamed of how we operate. But I do know life could be much worse if I was in one of those countries being abused by the USA. I feel like we are the Capital in the books The Hunger Games.
 
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I asked you to look into it.

Is this just personal observation or do you have statistics from a large sample size to back this up?

Have you ever tried counting to 10?

Go to any poker site you so choose to play at, count the boards that have pairs,
if you want, wait until you see a board pair, then start counting, but you will never know if the board gets raised and everybody folds,


This Thread Is Not About What I Think" , It's What I Know"

a dumb person will argue with anyone, with, or without all the facts'
But a smart person will do his own investigation..:heeeellll
 
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Oh, nice to see someone who's awake"

I don't have statistics but I feel fairly confident in what you are saying about board pairs. I see them much more often online than I do at a casino or at home games.

And I am an American and have been saying for years that I am happy/fortunate to be an American but I am not proud to be an American. USA has done some of the most despicable stuff others around the world. This country should be ashamed of how we operate. But I do know life could be much worse if I was in one of those countries being abused by the USA. I feel like we are the Capital in the books The Hunger Games.

Nice to see someone else is awake"...:D
 
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This is one reason why I stopped playing Omaha cash tables. The same happens with holdem of course. You can be betting out a flush and a fish will hit the full house after you've committed a lot to the pot. As far as Omaha goes, it's an instant fold when the board pairs. Harder to do it in holdem.
 
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Playing a stars SNG right now and came across this thread so I thought id do a single 10 hand test, not that it means anything but 8 out of 10 boards were paired....watching the main event from 2011 on poker go, a lot less paired boards, I must admit. Interesting.
 
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I began to notice this for a long time that something that goes wrong always happens, well, if we blow where we play. In a client program that someone created, that is, it is created to distribute as needed, and not as ordered by random. This is the online configuration of the system itself, which does not behave differently, but does it as it was already in the encoding. Therefore, if you notice something like this, use it because others do not want to believe it.
 
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Have you ever tried counting to 10?

Go to any poker site you so choose to play at, count the boards that have pairs,
if you want, wait until you see a board pair, then start counting, but you will never know if the board gets raised and everybody folds,


This Thread Is Not About What I Think" , It's What I Know"

a dumb person will argue with anyone, with, or without all the facts'
But a smart person will do his own investigation..:heeeellll

I won't waste your time then, I'm obviously not smart enough:(
 
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Have you ever tried counting to 10?

Go to any poker site you so choose to play at, count the boards that have pairs,
if you want, wait until you see a board pair, then start counting, but you will never know if the board gets raised and everybody folds,


This Thread Is Not About What I Think" , It's What I Know"

a dumb person will argue with anyone, with, or without all the facts'
But a smart person will do his own investigation..:heeeellll

This has nothing to do with your claim but with your response alone.



My only point is to have you consider the following

kcanuck asked a reasonable question

You response was to send him to the tables to do his own research. Yet you propose a theory with no data, no proof, just "What you know". Do you understand why scientists employ the scientific method prior to posing a conclusion to a theory? It is not that different in data analytics. Part of the reasoning behind this is to not send your colleagues on the proverbial goose chase and waste their time. But more to the point its to add credibility to your conclusion.

Datamethod

Here is something that I know.

I live in the North East of the U.S. People in Massachusetts are terrible drivers. This comes from years of driving in and around Massachusetts. However, its impossible for me to know every driver in Massachusetts and it is more likely I am just focused on the ones that inconvenience me. But if I employ your supposition above I can still make my claim because "I know" what I have observed.

And no doubt I will find others that will agree with me. And still others that will not. But what I know is meaningless in this case without the data to prove it.
 
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first off, I would like to say that I'm a pretty decent poker player, not pro, but close to being pro, I have taken 1st place out of 2800 people, and won more than a lot of people on MTT games
This is like saying "I don't make a 6 figure salary but I'm really close. I currently make 5 figures."

It's super easy to keep count of things when you're purposely looking for it.

"Boards are pairing so much in online poker because I'm looking for them. Out of small sample of 10 boards, I saw 8 pairs on it. OMG, what's going on! I can't believe it! 8/10x, that must mean 80% of a time a pair is going to hit the board! You can't do odds with online poker because 80% of the time the board pairs, it's impossible because, out of my really small sample, I saw a pair on the board 8x. It's crazy. What's going on?"

What's next?

"Oh wow, I just saw a 3 clubs hit on 9/10x boards! I guess this mean club flushes hit 90% of the time if you have 2 clubs in your hand. This game is crazy, don't play any other suits just clubs because it'll hit a flush 90% of the time. I know, I saw it happen 9/10x it must mean it's happens 90% of the time over a large sample size. It's just simple mathematics. Throw your hand odds out the window, theres no point in doing it or a playing any other suited hands because the club flush is going to hit 9/10x."
 
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Pairs

I play from time to time at different Poker sites,

here is a list of sites that I have played, and have seen nearly the same results with all online poker sites.

1. Pokerstars, Play money...
2. Americas card room
3. Black chip, and I know it's the same as ACR
4. Intertops
5. Global Poker
6. Ignition
7. Bovada and I know it's the same as Ignition.

first off, I would like to say that I'm a pretty decent poker player, not pro, but close to being pro, I have taken 1st place out of 2800 people, and won more than a lot of people on MTT games,

I also know, after playing poker for the past few yrs. there has been a big change in how the cards at all the online poker sites dealt.

ever since PLO started to really take off in the online poker world, the boards started pairing way more often than they should.

Some sites pair between 60 and 70% of the time and others Pair closer to 80% of the time.

you can't use skill and math with online poker". Not when the Odds Are Stacked Against You. every board is Lotto Poker..it has became more like playing Roulette than NLH.

Before some Ignorant person says, hey man, you have to know that if you're playing more hands, you're going to see more pairs an hr.

Because, I'm not talking how many hands an HR. I'm telling you that the Boards are pairing close to 80% of the time, 7 or 8 poker Boards pairing out of 10.

A poker Board should only pair 42% of the time.
an Ace or a King should only hit the Board, 56% of the time.
that's how a real deck of cards work.

But online Poker it not really poker at all. it's more like a bingo, lotto, or a roulette table game than it is poker.

My latest example of this, is when I played Global Pokers 5K game 4/26/20
the first 8 boards paired 6 out of 8 times,

I have been playing at ACR that day, and also have been playing at black chip, every day for over 2 months like 10 hrs a day, and have been seeing that kind of thing going on there too,

not to mention going to bet online and playing the freeroll game from the site called the ... can't say that here, because they won't allow it. but the board pairs at all the sites like I've mentioned.

before you say anything against this post, first play a MTT tournament, or any cash game where the boards run all the way out and count the pairs. you will see more pairs than a pare tree.. and not to mention more runners than what's in Phil Naggy's underwear, and I have heard, that's a lot of runners..lol..

I still feel your chances at making money with online poker is better than a state lotto, but it's not going to be people with good math skills, and good poker playing that will be making the money at it.

you can't be going by pot odds like you would in a live casino, or a home game, not when the boards are pairing 70 to 80% of the time".

but if you know that already, then just go play and have fun, but I wouldn't recommend making a big deposit at any poker site, nor would I recommend depositing any money that you don't care if you lose.

People complain all the time about bad beats, and so many people here are to ignorant to even consider that the person making the claim might know more than they do, and maybe they should investigate the claims first, before attacking the person who brings the warning or claim that online poker is rigged and stacked against real poker players with math skills,

wait" did I just say rigged? well do you have any Idea how much money it takes to get a poker site online, and obtain a license?

have you ever investigated the owners of these sites, or networks?

Did you know that ACR or the winning poker network is owned by the same man who owns the US military of defense?

but you know that you can always trust the US owners right? ;) :D
They can't cheat" they are all investigated, and monitored.
and you can't cheat or your site would be shut down so fast"

lol.. so funny..really is. because people have been paid off before. and when there is money like this, there will always be corruption.

The US military of defense. think about this one last topic.

Do you believe for one minute that the US military couldn't find Bin laden for how many yrs? and he was a childhood friend of George Bush.

then when we did find him, we killed him, and then took his dead body from the building we killed him in, then took him onto a ship, and then just tossed him in the sea? lmao..
every soldier involved in seal team 6 that went into that building to kill Bin Laden died a mysterious way,

But if you choose to believe in the American dream, Then you can't be educated until you wake up"

American Pride is a joke, proud to be American? why, because your parents had sex? then conceived you, then decided to stay in America until you were born? nothing you had any choice in there. nothing to be proud of, that's for sure.

There's no Black and White Race.. we are all One race, and that's the human race..
the only thing that can be said about this human race is some people are a sleep, and others are awake.

Good luck at the tables, and have some fun, life is short.

this lock down is hurting us way more than the invisible boogie man called the Corona virus. but try to stay healthy. Peace.
.Wildjoker68

Well I just did a small survey on poker stars and a Canadian Site called PlayNow, here are the results
Pokerstars........Pairs on board......70% ... A on board 50%

PlayNow..........Pairs on board ......50% ... A on board 25%

This was done by observing 30 hands in a MTT.........:):):)
 
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Your success on many sites indicates your professional skill as a player. Good luck in the cash game and tournaments. In many ways, your observations are correct, online poker is primarily a rake and once again a rake from a player.))
 
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