Mart1194
Legend
Platinum Level
Discarding a card to follow the Turn and River is normal in Live Poker
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DJ HighRoller
Rising Star
Bronze Level
maybe i didn't explain it well the guy who was sitting beside the dealer raised his hands like people used to hold books he was holding the cards same way it happened in seconds dealer looked to the left saw the cards and put out the needed card for that player you could easily saw in that video that it was cheating , people who think the game is always fair it's just utopia from time to time there will be players who will cheat because money is involved...
kitchy65
Visionary
Bronze Level
It's not like profit was ever an incentive to cheat...the real answer is nobody knows.
Play, or don't play online...it's that simple.
machinm19
Rock Star
Platinum Level
I pity the fool who thinks STEALTH OBSERVER just went away I do I do. I have no problem when some donk cracks my aces yet again by calling all in preflop with J10 etc that is simply variance but I'd rather deposit my money in an online raffle than an online poker site and I would never deposit online again after seeing STEALTH OBSERVER in action that would be folly. I'd bet pretty big too that the people who claim its not rigged are shills of the sites or using the tool themselves. All the videos of POT RIPPER using the tool to steal peoples money are still up on U tube. Variance is nothing to do with people being able to see your cards. Just play freerolls online like me and save your cash to play real poker.
Eduard0Felipe
Visionary
Bronze Level
Somewhere, someday, in a very distant time, there may have been manipulation yes at some table, but nowadays I find it unlikely, very close to impossible, with technology, globalization, all information being transmitted almost instantly, cheating is very unlikely, it would not be profitable for the company, so much so that they invest more and more in security, so rest assured, they must not be manipulating you, pay attention to the statistics and start to accept defeats, because they do of the nature of the game.
machinm19
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Google this. "Stealth observer the biggest scandal in online poker history" then watch Pot Ripper use the tool for yourself on U tube. Then go and get variance tattoo on your head.
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hilary antonik filho
Legend
Platinum Level
Someone is always willing to put the blame on something or someone else when something doesn't work out, for example: the car tire flat, someone threw a nail, but forgets to see that they are very rotated, the engine melted, it didn't twist the oleo or forgot to top it up, because of a leak, when you win at poker, I'm good, I'm awesome, when you lose you're manipulated, in my opinion, a site won't get dirty for so little. I also play live, I've won, I've lost, and I've seen so many amazing things happen, and also people complaining about prepared decks or cartier trick
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
So why do you keep playing? You like being cheated on?
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
At least someone provides some sort of evidence.
Interesting video, thanks for sharing.
This is probably not what most users consider as being rigged (i.e. the algorithm/RnG) as these are clear cases of being cheated by intruding the system.
To be fair, those issues happened in 2004-2008, which is 15 years ago.
I hope security measures have improved since then and I also doubt it's worth cheating in the Micro stakes. 😅
Whenever I lose a pot in a strange way and look up the player, it's often just a fish getting lucky. Has to happen sometimes as well, otherwise they wouldn't continue their strange strategy.
I'm not saying cheating isn't happening or impossible, just being rather certain that it's a much smaller problem than some people imagine.
Pokerpoet2
Legend
Loyaler
I totally agree with you, I have had situations where I needed to push all-in because of my low chip stack, to be greeted with the nut flush on the flop, then the victory snatched away from me by the turn and river giving my opponent a Full House, this has happened to me in a live Casino game as well as on-line.
I just suck it up and say "That's Poker" I don't accuse the other player of cheating or try to say the Casino is rigged.
Poker is a fun game and if you cannot accept when you lose, you should not be playing, it's that simple.
dreamer13
Legend
Platinum Level
Poker is a highly competitive game where the winners can win large sums of money for beating their opponents. Online poker is no different. So player cheating is a problem. Some players will go out of their way to gain an edge and increase their chances of winning, even if it means resorting to cheating. This is facilitated by the relative anonymity of Internet poker.The good news is that online poker rooms are well aware of the cheating of players and the tricky schemes that people come up with.
hjuosh
Visionary
Platinum Level
It's amazing for me to hear that you've been playing live poker for more than 10 years. I've played maybe 10 too... but 10 times live 😂 I've only been on cardschat for 1 year and that same year playing online for real money. Something that is important to me is to have understood very well from the beginning that variance or luck or whatever they want to call it. It's just a part of the game. So with that premise. If I like the game of poker then I must accept the variance as it is. The videos that I found here in the forum on the topic and other videos of professionals talking about variance helped me a lot. However, I must say that it is quite hard to accept and very easy to think that you are being cheated. Especially in my case. Because I made more than 15M in fictitious money in PS. Without ever buying chips, only with the 15K that they give you every 4 hours. In less than a year. I did more than 15M. Which made me think about trying with real money. I have several theories why I believe that in fictitious money I achieved so much what I haven't achieved in a year with real money. One of those theories inevitably is that in a certain way everything is tricked up so that the same result is not achieved. In the end. I firmly believe so far at least that it is a combination of factors that include how rigged the poker rooms can be with their games in their entirety. Say SnG, MTT, Spins, etc. Everyone has their way so that you don't win, and especially so that you spend on keeping trying. For me, it's not about believing that there are bots or that the poker room has algorithms to make you lose, etc. Rather, I'm sure that the design of each specific tournament or game is tricked in and of itself so that you never win. And if we add to that the variance and that obviously I am not an expert in the game. Well, the chances of success are complicated. 😫🤣
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God_Mode_On
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Yes it is VERY naive to basically blindly believe it is NOT rigged in any way. The arguments for rigging can be easily pulled from your (naive) minds btw once you sit down for a minute and think about it thoroughly.
I'm not even putting them down here anymore.
Btw have you ever been presented with evidence the shuffle is so random as proclaimed by the online rooms...?
I'm not even putting them down here anymore.
Btw have you ever been presented with evidence the shuffle is so random as proclaimed by the online rooms...?
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
Those are the best kind of replies tbh.
Telling it's super obvious but then not telling anything. 🤣👍
To me it's definitely not clear why a poker room would twist the algorithm. They only care about the fees which they'll earn anyway independent who wins the hand, SnG, or MTT. 🤷🏻♂️
Do you have the slightest idea how big the sample size needs to be to prove that it's either rigged or completely random? Several Millions of hands. Does anyone ever played so many? I don't.
Just because you loose with 99% of equity on flop against some runner runner. Does that make it rigged? Because the big stack BB wins calling your mini all-in with any two and wins, does that make it rigged?
