online poker or real live ? do you feel that computer cheats you ?

Do you play better online or live ?

i do play better live

I think that it's much easier to play better online. You can see the exact stack and pot sizes at all times.

That being said, I don't feel online poker is legitimate poker. That's just one man's opinion.

For me online poker is better, playing as a hobby some hours, without travelling and loosing a lot of time for real life. And online you can play any time.

The computer cheats, the dealer cheats, the poker room cheats. But playing live poker is much more difficult. You will not feel comfortable outside the house when hundreds of eyes are focused on you.

I think on Live the players usually play more carefully because they will go home if they lose. I like that.

Some days i feel like online poker is cheating me , like i have 2-3 days in a row losing with almost every card , every coin flip , every 60/40 i;m losing , but after that comes days that i cannot lose , wining every hand , so in my opinion online poker is legit .

I think it's better online, your rivals can't see your expressions or your body postures. Sometimes the computer gives the winning hand unfairly to the poor hands.

I don’t have much experience playing live poker, so, I probably play better online. Also, I like that I can play multiple table at the same time, sometimes I think live poker a little tedious.

I am good online and live sensational. I win tournaments in a row and ... oops, my hand is hanging in the toilet and I woke up. I haven't even played seriously live, but it would be nice to be able to tell stories like that.
Sorry.

Good luck.

Good morning everyone.
It is necessary to understand how poker software is programmed, in my pinion they have a program that most of the time favors those who have more chips, mainly in Mtts K.O.
Poker sites earn when you sign up for a $ 109 Mtt, part goes to $ 9, the faster players are eliminated, the faster they will sign up for other Mtts and the more the sites will profit, no it is rare for a player with many more chips going All in against 2 players and with the worst hand to win.
When you compare the results of live vs online poker, you realize that online will happen a lot more times with very strong Full hands, flushs, straights and cracks, the poker sites do interfere in the card draws, in my opinion.

computer doesnt cheat on me but i dont trust him

Personally I prefer live poker any day

Originally Posted by R1_1000

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[QUOTE=R1_1000;5689701] do you feel that computer cheats you ?

Good to know I am not alone 😅

Hello CardsChat Community,

my name is Johann (from Germany; not the best in written English ) and to make things clear, I´m not here for whining or moaning about "how rigged the Poker Stars site" is. I am here for your opinion and your thoughts. Just let me know if my observations and conclusions could be as far as possible. The key questions is: "Would Poker Stars manipulate the algorithm to encourage 'bad' players keep playing poker in order to strenghen the own business model?"

I am playing for about 17 years now on PS and like anybody else (who plays poker) I´ve experinced every single facet of this game. The ups, the dows and everything in between. But in the last let´s say 12 month something is different. A strong feeling that is becoming stronger from month to month is that a disproportionately amount of hands that are behind pre-flop become the winning hands for the most of time in the end.

I would decribe myself as an recreational passive-aggressive player and I get my chips in good in most all-in cases (more details later). As mentioned I recognized lately a big change in how often the underdog hands are winning on Poker Stars. Not only in my case but also while watching poker streams I made a similar observation. I have a degree in economics. So statistics, variance and standard deviation are no strangers to me. That´s why I started to track my all-in spots to find out if my feelings about this were right or if it was just an emotional fallacy. You´re now going to see the results of a sample of about fifteen-thousand hands after a semi-excessive playing period of a few month by me.
*By the way: My personal feeling and estimation during this entire period of playing was like it´s been the whole year before: Losing way too many situations while dominating opponents hand. But let´s see what the statistics say.

The method I used was quite simple and (as I believe) very efficient:

I only looked at all-in situations with one caller. I had 3 columns (in excel) to evaluate.

1st column:
Every time I dominated (60% and more) my opponents hands I gave me 1 point. (and 0 points to the opponent in the 2nd column)

2nd column:
Everytime I was dominated (also at least by 60%) I gave my opponent 1 point and a 0 to me (1st column).

Everything in between I handled like a flip: 0.5 points for each of us.

3rd column:
Everytime I won a hand I entered a 1, everytime I lost I entered a 0 and a split was a 0.5.


And here are the results:

1st column: I got my money in good in 57.5% of the time.

2nd column: Logically my opponents got it in good in 42.5% of the time.

The 3rd and most important column: I won 37.8% of my hands.

As you can see there is a gap of about 20% between my pre-river expectations and the post-river outcome.

Conclusion:
To be honest: I don´t want to make a conclusion at this point just to spark a conspiracy. But as an studied economic I cannot oversee the huge and statistically strongly significant space between theory and reality. And also as a passionate and caring poker player I can´t leave this astronomical impropability unmentioned. (Edit: After a break I decided to give PS another shot today. I know it´s only a tiny sample of a few hundred hands and the results could fit easy into normal variance but just wanted to share this with you: 1st column: 71.4% of the times as a favourite all-in. 2nd: Villian 28.6% in front. 3rd. Won 21.4% of the all-ins)

If I had an own business, I would try anything legal to increase my profit. Expecially when competition is getting thougher. Is there a possible chance that PS is 'helping' underdogs not to lose joy? Another three questions come to mind when I think about all of this:

1) How good is the Poker Stars´ random algorithm and how can we be sure we haven´t been betrayed?

2) Which instance is controlling this software and who pays this instance for doing it´s job?

3) Is there a way to make the random algorithm transparent, so poker players can trust poker sites?

It´s up to you
What do you think about all of this? Have you made similar experiences or have you ever had similar thoughts? Or do you think everything´s OK and do you experience a well balanced outcome in the spots I mentioned? I would like to hear from you.

Best regards,
Johann

Well, to answer your first question. I think it is easier to play live because you have more elements to take into consideration before you take a decision. To your second question, i do not think it is rigged, although i do not think the cards are dealt in a random way. It changes from site to site, but i think the cards come in a logic way according to the probabilities that they should come.

The only thing I think is there are too many aces falling at the online games boards.

online poker the game process is faster than live, when playing live, you can chat with players

Live poker is so much funner to play than online poker. The real person interaction the feel of the felt. And I do think online poker cheats people. Its been proven it has cheated people. Getting sucked out hard on every game you play on your computer and playing live where everthing usally goes pretty smoothly. Im taking live poker everyday.

Originally Posted by R1_1000

online poker or real live ? do you feel that computer cheats you ?

Do you play better online or live ?

i do play better live

Visually online poker is better, but there are many all in boys!

Online poker I like for the comfort of playing where I want and how I want and I don't think that line is cheating on you, but live they feel other sensations

When we win in online poker we do not feel that the rooms are cheating on the contrary when the variance is not in our favor we think that they are cheating us When you see some international tournaments or championships you realize that it is the same online as live

I always think that I am being deceived and I play all the same

seriously guys... just learn how to play poker.

Yes, only now the problem is to play live.There are a lot of restrictions.And what else can we do?Correctly play-online)!

Originally Posted by Tomiveres

Some days i feel like online poker is cheating me , like i have 2-3 days in a row losing with almost every card , every coin flip , every 60/40 i;m losing , but after that comes days that i cannot lose , wining every hand , so in my opinion online poker is legit .

I have experienced the same thing mostly on PokerStars and in my defence I have learned to recognize the luck/Variance switches, and when it turns from good to bad I quit playing for a day or two and it seems to work (at times). However especially on PokerStars when your bankroll drops to below $50. winning becomes almost impossible...the algorithms. win...

live is better you can see the people and try to feel their reaction

If you don't believe it, then why play?

Originally Posted by CDNMAN 42

I have experienced the same thing mostly on PokerStars and in my defence I have learned to recognize the luck/Variance switches, and when it turns from good to bad I quit playing for a day or two and it seems to work (at times). However especially on PokerStars when your bankroll drops to below $50. winning becomes almost impossible...the algorithms. win...

If the same thing happened to me, you have variances in the game, it makes you win too

It’s annoying online because it seems like the person who’s behind always sucks out and it’s easy to claim the computer algorithm is the reason. Maybe it just seems that way because you can play so many more hands online than live.

Live is definitely easier, so I'll take live all day. Anyone who says that online is rigged or cheating or whatever, is either a fish and delusional, or plays on unregulated international sites. Partypoker, Pokerstars, and WSOP are all honest and fair and I have never felt uncomfortable, whereas in live poker players actually are susceptible to cheating as I have seen on more than one occassion.

I prefer live cash poker the most but I also like online too ..I kinda think online is rigged tho but I enjoy certain poker sites...

The only thing any online site would have to do is each week post....
WTSD STATS
Hands That Started Better vs Hands That Started Worse
Number of Instances
Percentage of Times the Better Hand Won

one site that would not benefit by doing this is, let's call them cheat on line, because imo, they reward worse hands, to stay in business.
Cards Chat would do us all a great service by lobbying for sites to display their Went To Show Down stats each week.

i have never played live poker but I definitely think the computer algorithm on the poker websites is different but it is the same for everyone. One issue though is the bots which I can't figure out if the best poker websites use them

I usually play with my friends and it's much easier than online poker. Bad beat's don't happen as many times as online.

I used to go to casinos here in Hungary, before the pandemic (now they are closed) and it was too easy to take their chips. I mean a buy in was around 10$, and there were a lot of fishy hyperagressive players that didn't know exactly what they're doing so it was easy to take their money.

To be honest, live poker games at 10$ buy-in are just as hard to win as 1.1$ buy-in games online. And I'm being very honest here.

Last month I played at bet365 poker and I've lost 13 (!!!!) flips in a row! That's insane. I'm sure that something's not right with online poker.

I would say that I'm better online than Live ^^
However I do prefer live poker over online as the whole feeling of playing live is amazing. However I do believe I might be giving away some easy tells but that don't really bother me.

I prefer live poker to online, and it seems to me as if there are fewer weird outcomes. Then again, online games are so much faster and you see a lot more games. Definitely feels like most online sites are unfairly rigged (just an opinion from an admittedly bad player!).

Originally Posted by R1_1000

online poker or real live ? do you feel that computer cheats you ?

Do you play better online or live ?

i do play better live

I don't know, I remember the last time I played, I thought that the dealer was twisting something It's just that in life, when you play, you have less time to think about being deceived, and since you are online, you have more time to pay attention to this.

I have always believed that the software used by Pokerstars is honest and reliable, I have been the victim of some real bad beats and suck-outs, only yesterday I got it all in good with pocket 7/7 and was called by 7/3 suited Diamonds, guess who made the flush?
Yes you guessed right the 7/3 made a diamond flush. Now I don't really know what the percentages would be but I am pretty sure I was Favorite going to the flop.
But that's Poker, in an all-in situation any 2 cards can win, it just depends on if you want to gamble, Obviously he felt lucky and went with his gut, I later on made a straight with Jack/5 off and trebled up my meager stack of 3 BB to 9 BB after shoving with it.
Live games always happen at a slower pace and as such, you do not see that many bad beats and suck-outs, but they do happen and probably with the same frequency. I have been witness to many all-in shoves with Pocket Aces, and then see them crushed by a smaller pocket pair hitting trips, It happens! I have sometimes been the Victim and the Villain in those situations.
If you don't like being the victim of these situations then I would suggest you take up another pastime, because no matter what form of poker you play, you will always find these events happening to you. That's Life, That's Poker.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

Online you play 10 or 100 times more hands an hour so you experience a lot of variance..

undoubtedly playing live is the best but online is not bad one sometimes makes bad decisions and blames the software

I believe that the online game is honest. I prefer to play online because I can control my time and availability availability to play.

Originally Posted by R1_1000

online poker or real live ? do you feel that computer cheats you ?

Do you play better online or live ?

i do play better live

it also depends on who you play in live with and who you play online with.
not the software cheats, only people or bots you play with.

Live or online is the same, players are thiferent in my opinion.

I definitely prefer playing Live rather than online. There’s a fun, competitive atmosphere and your seeing the faces of your opponents-it’s more humanizing. I’ve been reading the above posts and notice how many people believe that online is somewhat rigged. It may seem that way but remember, you play a lot more hands online than you do live and we always remember the bad beats laid onto to us than the bad beats we hand out to others. Online is not rigged- well Pokerstars isn’t anyway.

Originally Posted by RUNRRUNRTO

I definitely prefer playing Live rather than online. There’s a fun, competitive atmosphere and your seeing the faces of your opponents-it’s more humanizing. I’ve been reading the above posts and notice how many people believe that online is somewhat rigged. It may seem that way but remember, you play a lot more hands online than you do live and we always remember the bad beats laid onto to us than the bad beats we hand out to others. Online is not rigged- well Pokerstars isn’t anyway.

I guess I enjoy both online and live, however, since I am now retired and on a fixed income playing Live gets a little to pricey. My best day in a casino at the tables was a win of $12,900 and that was a bad beat share, my best on line has been $560 in a Tourney, All in all I feel more comfortable on line but if I had the financial resources I would certainly be playingLive. As far as rigged sites goes. it is pretty hard to say however I do believe that the tables are just like the slots. and your winning is not totally in your hands, especially on PokerStars...

Yes, sometimes you get that impression when very strange distributions happen. I guess the random number generator is not that random. There are no such hands in live poker.

I enjoy poker online, only cause I can play it from my own place. Don't need to talk to anyone, as if they were on my tables. I have always been a quiet individual, talk to people but just not a lot. When I play poker ,I am there to play not to socialize. That's just the type of person, I am. But sometimes I feel online , doesn't want me to win. I do get lucky at times, but when I seem to wait for the stronger hands. I always seem to lose.

I don't think online poker is rigged. What many underestimate is the variance in poker. In online poker, the variance is often lower than in live poker, but the win rate is also lower. In online poker, a win rate of 5 big blinds per 100 hands is very good. For comparison in live poker, a good player can achieve a win rate of 25 big blinds for 100 hands. A lower win rate has a drastic effect on variance. The variance in online poker is an average of 100 big blinds per 100 hands. If you enter these values ​​into a variance simulator, the results are frightening:

- The probability that the player will lose in more than 40.000 hands is almost 16 percent
- The player sticks over 60% of his playing time in a downswing of at least 10,000 hands continuously
- The player spends around 35 percent of his time in a downswing of more than 2.000 big blinds!
That's a $ 2.000 loss in a $ 0.50 / $ 1.00 no limit game!

And as I said, a win rate of 5 big blinds per 100 hands is still well calculated. You also have to take the rake into account. In summary, You have to play a lot, otherwise you will fail because of the variance. There are players who earn their money with online poker but they play 8 hours a day and often 10 to 20 tables at the same time. They also look for tables with lots of fish. Otherwise playing is not worth it for them either. This is the only way you can play enough hands to compensate the variance. . I think that's why it feels like the poker software is rigged. Remember that even with AKs vs 72o, the odds are 70:30. That means with AKs you only win 2 out of 3 times. Poker is an unpredictable game.

The only thing the outfits would need to do is post the results each week of how many hands went to showdown, what were the cards, and what were the results. I think a site, lets call it "cheatin on line" programs the worse hands to win more often than the math would imply... Stop defending them and ask them to make us feel like they're hosting fair games.