Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

There is money to be made, but not if you only dabble. To make real money, you will need to put in daily hours for multiple months just to get profitable. Then you have two choices, slowly work up levels into higher money games, or you can learn multi tabling. Either (or both) will take months.

If you are able to devote a year to study and game time, any smart player should be able to earn a modest living. If you want to dabble, then play games you like in stakes you can afford. Either way, remember that there are players better than you and players worse. Finding which are which is the most valuable thing you can know.

I think yes, Ved streamers are making money, the main thing is to play to win to exclude luck and entertainment) then you will definitely make money on poker

There is A LOT of money to be made playing online in 2021!

Its not easy to get a high hourly winrate, but its pretty easy to win money online. I have personally found low stakes MTTs (5-15$) to be the most profitable games for me to play. If you cant beat tournaments on this level, or of course the micros, then there is big room for improvement in your game. Being a marginal winning cash game player is not quite enough to cut it in MTTs, since you need to make constant adjustments for stack sizes and understand ICM as well as push/fold ranges.

I have also won some money in cash games, but I find, that my hourly winrate there is lower, mostly because the effective rake is much higher. If you only win at 3BB / 100, then the poker site keep around 75% of your net winnings, which obviously makes it a bit of a treadmill. This is basically, why I moved to MTTs. I found, that at 25NL the games got significantly tougher, and I did not want to sit and battle it out with a bunch of tough regs for a 3BB / 100 winrate.

As for STT SnGs I have only been a break even player in those. My total sample size is still fairly small though, so I dont want to make to many conclusions just yet. But obviously a STT has a shorter duration than an MTT, and the rake is the same or sometimes even higher. So most likely the issue is the same as with cash games, that the games are simply to highly raked to really be profitable given the skill edge, you can realistically find. Action also tend to die out at rather low stakes, so the potential for moving up is limited.

You just have to focus on perfecting your game. Stay steady and put in the hours and it’ll pay off.

Hard to earn, but possible!

To make a lot of money at online poker you should get really really good and multi-table lots and lots of tournaments and/or cash game hands.

good bankroll, work on the game, work with the coach will probably give results

I think Yes, a lot of money can be make in 2021 for sure.
You have to carefully pick the best game that fit you

In other modalities, I don't know, but I know that in tournaments there is good money to be won. But the variance can also be much higher.
This year I am looking to get that money.
Good luck to U.S!!

Yes, unfortunately. Poker can no longer be considered a way to make money. At least I haven't won anything for a long time. A little bit won and immediately goes a long streak of failures. Because of some kind of doom, I stopped playing seriously.

Originally Posted by davpok44

Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

Much more difficult to win vs. how it was 10yrs. ago. As you're aware, 10yrs. ago a pretty straightforward TAG style of play in MTT's and you could be profitable. And in SNG's, it wasn't too hard to have an ROI of +10% if you'd put in a bit of studying.

Today the game has evolved and the player pool has changed considerably. In cash games even in the low & micro limits you will find lots of decent players (of course it's dependent upon the site and time of day). Micro/Low buyin MTT's are generally much softer as they seem to attract more novice/ recreational players.

These days there is generally less rewards programs and promos and the RAKE is much higher than it was in the past. Hunt around & you'll find decent enough stuff to play.

gl

Sit n Go’s are terrible in the long run. Take this scenario for example. You play in ten $30+3 games. That’s a $330 investment. You cash in 4 of 10 of these games which is a good rate. And of those cashes one was 1st place $135 (50%), one was 2nd place $81 (30%), and two were 3rd place finishes $60+$60= $120 (20%). All of that equals $336 which is only a $6 profit.

So basically you have to defy the odds and cash in the Top 2 just to make a profit. The scenario I gave would be considered a break even 10 game sample.

60 cents hourly on 20NL? Are you insane? My average is like 5USD on this limit per table, per hour.

You can make money by being careful “for fun” playing one of the most popular card games of our time, poker. At the same time, you should understand that in order to start making money on poker, you need to not only learn the rules of poker, but also understand all the intricacies of the game. It takes many years to understand all the intricacies of the gameplay ... At the same time, in order to start earning even a little, you don't have to become a professional. You can even make money without investing your own money by playing freerolls (tournaments where you don't have to pay to enter, but you can win real money) or by receiving no deposit sign-up bonuses. True, in such cases it will not be possible to win much. To start winning substantial amounts (from $ 1,000 per month), you need to become a professional gambler.

There's always money to be made however you need to look at the time-cost-benefit analysis... even if you win an MTT SNG is it worth spending your Saturday on for that insignificant amount of money?!

"Evidence of PRNG"? Give me a break. That is the *default* when programming any sort of randomly generated game. Almost every single game that uses an "RNG" actually uses a "PRNG". *Very* *very* few programs use cryptographically secure RNGs - this is actually an extremely difficult thing to generate since it must rely on hardware based solutions (some solutions use radio waves, sunspots, etc. but are largely still imperfect).

This is all just Comp Sci 101.

Originally Posted by Pokerman32750

There's always money to be made however you need to look at the time-cost-benefit analysis... even if you win an MTT SNG is it worth spending your Saturday on for that insignificant amount of money?!

For example, on poker stars on Saturday and Sunday, increased prize money in mtt, for example, in a tournament for 0.55, there can be a prize for first place up to $ 350 and if you take even the 5th place and get say $ 70, it is definitely worth the time spent. Let's say you played in such tournaments for the entire weekend in the month 10 times spending 4 bayins of 0.55 and 6 of 1.10 for a total of 8.8 dollars, in one turnmre you took 1st place and received 300 dollars in the other two 9 and 20 places is somewhere 20 + 40 and so on 300+60+360-8,8= $ 351.2. In my country, the minimum wage is $ 102, so for me, 351 is good money. This month, I have so far managed to win $ 250 with a deposit of $ 10, I have brought 100 to the card. I did not play on the bankroll and lost 150, I think the simplest mistakes such as maintaining a bankroll plus the desire to get a big profit overnight and do not allow many players to earn money on poker. I know my mistakes, but I still make them when I play.

Why not

Originally Posted by tomk7788

To make a lot of money at online poker you should get really really good and multi-table lots and lots of tournaments and/or cash game hands.

Originally Posted by LitPavel

For example, on poker stars on Saturday and Sunday, increased prize money in mtt, for example, in a tournament for 0.55, there can be a prize for first place up to $ 350 and if you take even the 5th place and get say $ 70, it is definitely worth the time spent. Let's say you played in such tournaments for the entire weekend in the month 10 times spending 4 bayins of 0.55 and 6 of 1.10 for a total of 8.8 dollars, in one turnmre you took 1st place and received 300 dollars in the other two 9 and 20 places is somewhere 20 + 40 and so on 300+60+360-8,8= $ 351.2. In my country, the minimum wage is $ 102, so for me, 351 is good money. This month, I have so far managed to win $ 250 with a deposit of $ 10, I have brought 100 to the card. I did not play on the bankroll and lost 150, I think the simplest mistakes such as maintaining a bankroll plus the desire to get a big profit overnight and do not allow many players to earn money on poker. I know my mistakes, but I still make them when I play.

Really good points thats true what you say about not being too greedy and taking what the game gives you as opposed to having an arbitrary goal let's say profit $500 USD during a Saturday/Sunday.. you could be up $400 and still lose all of your profit unsuccessfully trying to win that extra $100..

It's not worth it too much time and maybe you won't get anything back

Playing poker you never waste your time, because you enjoy. Money is the matter of professional approach with hundreds of nuances.
Want poker money - build a considered Business Plan (Pilot, Budgets, SMART objectives, KPIs, etc). Make a mid-interval analysis and get the final answer by yourself if it's ok for you.

Оften the same answer may be different for different people.

Originally Posted by Maxmustdie

good bankroll, work on the game, work with the coach will probably give results

I completely agree

Originally Posted by fundiver199

Its not easy to get a high hourly winrate, but its pretty easy to win money online. I have personally found low stakes MTTs (5-15$) to be the most profitable games for me to play. If you cant beat tournaments on this level, or of course the micros, then there is big room for improvement in your game. Being a marginal winning cash game player is not quite enough to cut it in MTTs, since you need to make constant adjustments for stack sizes and understand ICM as well as push/fold ranges.

I have also won some money in cash games, but I find, that my hourly winrate there is lower, mostly because the effective rake is much higher. If you only win at 3BB / 100, then the poker site keep around 75% of your net winnings, which obviously makes it a bit of a treadmill. This is basically, why I moved to MTTs. I found, that at 25NL the games got significantly tougher, and I did not want to sit and battle it out with a bunch of tough regs for a 3BB / 100 winrate.

As for STT SnGs I have only been a break even player in those. My total sample size is still fairly small though, so I dont want to make to many conclusions just yet. But obviously a STT has a shorter duration than an MTT, and the rake is the same or sometimes even higher. So most likely the issue is the same as with cash games, that the games are simply to highly raked to really be profitable given the skill edge, you can realistically find. Action also tend to die out at rather low stakes, so the potential for moving up is limited.

On which site are you playing? I play 87000 hands mtt till 20$ on pokerstars and still have to deposit

Originally Posted by davpok44

Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

If you win rate is 3BB per hundred, I don't you can expect to win any money in the game, you will lose to rake.

Players are probably slightly better, as more information is out and younger people are getting into the game with more information they can absorb, hard to say though. Feels the same too me at the limits I play.

Originally Posted by Carlo35

On which site are you playing? I play 87000 hands mtt till 20$ on pokerstars and still have to deposit

I play on PokerStars and 888 Poker. Since I wrote this post in january, I have actually played some more STTs mainly 9-man SnGs, and I do now have a small profit in those like maybe a 10% ROI or so. So I do think, those games can be profitable, but obviously the winrate is still much more capped, than it is in MTTs. They are good practice though, since you get to play a lot of shorthanded poker with ICM pressure, once the first 3-4 people have busted.

work hard, study the game result will come. GL

Originally Posted by dorynel7

work hard, study the game result will come. GL

This Man above have 100% rights ,its the Simple steps. 🤜🤛

For example, I manage to earn with poker, albeit a little money, but still.
I like playing MTT tournaments more, in which there is a chance to compete for good prize money.

With good bankroll, decent play and study every day, yes you can.

Im in a process of grinding out on the freerolls, until i build up a decent bankroll and learn to play much better!

With alot of studying and a little help from a few others, i think 2021 is definitely on the cards to be a huge year!

Originally Posted by davpok44

Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

From my experience at sit and go if you win three- four games this is enough , if you cotinue to play yhe chance of losing are very high.

Depending on your level of play, if you play well, then it's really possible to get a plus.

Definitely personally if ... you occupy several alternatives ... a good bankrol. For the type of game you practice ... concentration ... relaxation and your very well defined strategy ... inalar by the nose to expel by the voice. Three times ... to control the variances that we will have throughout THE day ...

It all boils down to one thing, you need to ask yourself "What do I want from playing Poker?"
If it is a living, then you have to WORK hard, study your game play, and Practice, Practice, Practice. Notice I Capitalised WORK! because that is what it becomes, It stops being a fun game and becomes a vocation, a job, a means of making money!

I did all that when I was self employed and I can tell you that to be successful in any business, you have to work long hours, If I had put in 60 hours a week into my business, I was slacking, my average week was 80 hours or more and most of the time I would not take a day off for months.

I am now retired and love the free time to do what I want!, when I want! and Poker is a pleasing pastime, nothing more! Some times I may not play for weeks, other than the occasional free-roll, and when I decide to concentrate on playing more often I can play for hours each day, trying to build my bank-roll to top another hurdle.

When the first lock-down started during this pandemic I had a small bank-roll of $209 all from small stakes and free-rolls, I played well over the last year to break the $300 barrier, and now I have $427, not enough to live off, but enough to double my bank-roll and keep on playing for FUN!
That is why I choose to PLAY!, and not WORK! at the game.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

Dude, in 2021, you can make as much money from games as from a regular office job, the main thing is to know which games to use.

Really it depends how goooood you are, ultimately!!

Many people think that poker is a game of chance in which the winnings depend on chance. This card game is put on a par with games in bookmakers and casinos, given that only the owners of poker rooms can make money playing cards.
But this is not the case. Poker is a game with mathematical probabilities, so a professional player can not only earn his living, but also provide for his entire family.You must stick to these qualities - perseverance, resistance to stress, communication skills, ability to learn, and you may earn money.

a lot money to be made at poker online in 2021 , but also at sports betting

Not all players naturally have the ability to make consistent poker money. One player can go from a beginner to an average regular, while another may never be able to make money from poker. Making money online poker is not as easy as it seems. Even the best players don't win every time they sit down. You constantly need to improve your skills, choose the most profitable games and the most profitable time.

You can make a lot of money from poker because it is not a game of chance.

Not all players win poker money, to win money in online poker you need to constantly improve your strategies, and remember that it is a game of gamble.

Originally Posted by davpok44

Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

I believe that only less than 1% of players are making profits from online poker in the long run. So if you aren't a pro better stick with the idea playing for fun.

Originally Posted by Biohazard858

I believe that only less than 1% of players are making profits from online poker in the long run. So if you aren't a pro better stick with the idea playing for fun.

I fully agree with the previous speaker! making money on poker is difficult and more fun ...

I think that the vast majority play to earn money, I don't think they do it for fun, there must be players who do, but they are the fewest.

The situation in the poker industry is getting more and more difficult, and there are fewer and fewer fish. Compared to tournaments with a large luck component, cash can give you more stable income.

I hope to win enough to help me augment my earnings. I had to retire due to illness, so I hope poker will help me make the money I need.

Yeah but it's really hard.

Originally Posted by davpok44

Over 10 years have dabbled with online poker. I play cash, tournament and sit and go. Playing cash can make 3BB per hour average. Tournament lose about 10% of cash every 30 hours of game time. Sit and go similar lose 10% of cash.

The reason I post is I enjoy the game but as a gamble to make money close to a waste of time. Cash making 60 cents per hour on 20nl and that's playing well. Are most players now playing more for fun and not to make money? Is cash games only way now? Been out of the loop online wise for a while. Thanks.

Most players started playing poker for the fun of the game. Money is just how we keep score at the end. Its also not an easy game to play and is every changing. There is money to be made for sure but the question would be are you good enough to make that much. There is also the fact it takes money to win money. Playing 20NL and winning 20BB an hour is a nice profit but to live on an as hourly wage is not happening in most areas of the world. Winning a tournament is nice but to make a living you made need to play $20 or higher tournament to make a livings.

As for me, I play the micros. I also play for the love of the game.