This is a discussion on Do Successful Online Players Have An Advantage In Live Games? within the online poker forums, in the Online Poker section; I was watching a streamer on Twitch the other day. He's a winning player. At some point in the stream, a conversation started between him and |
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Do Successful Online Players Have An Advantage In Live Games?
I was watching a streamer on Twitch the other day. He's a winning player.
At some point in the stream, a conversation started between him and the chat about online players vs live players. He said: "If you are winning online, then you will crush it playing live." My first thought is that this probably isn't true, but I would like to hear some opinions on it anyway. If there's another thread that discusses this in depth, please point to it.
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A lot of the pros say this as well. They will say something like a $1 game online will have the same level of players as $50 live game at casinos. This is because casinos are drawing in lots of people who may have very little poker experience along with drawing in the pros. Another factor is alcohol consumption at the casinos tends to be larger than most at home online players. Sure there are sober and drunk players both places, but the frequencies are telling. Now, the statement about live players doesn't really pertain to the final table. Those who make it there are usually strong players in either online or live events.
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I think the online player has a lot of tools that the live player doesn't. For example, how well does the online player do the following things live?
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And just how easy is it to look at your opponents stack in a live game and estimate how many BB's he has? Good luck... Tendencies is another good point. I imagine that online players who aren't using a HUD might have an easier time spotting which players are tight and which are loose vs players who do use a HUD. But still, without very little live experience, picking up on this stuff takes practice, especially when your mind is busy thinking about stuff you normally don't spend much time on. And what about tells? Perhaps the point the streamer was trying to make, is that if you become successful online, you'll have an edge on your typical, experienced live player (And most everyone below him) if you put in a reasonable amount of practice in live games using the techniques that have made you successful online.
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re: Poker & Do Successful Online Players Have An Advantage In Live Games?
You can dive into this in a lot of ways. The one key thing is there’s a lot more rec players live then online. Yes there’s other factors but this is honestly the biggest reason.
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I believe that those who play online have an advantage over the majority of those who play live since the environment is much more competitive and to survive must be a good player.
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I,m sure, that this games (live and online) are totally different. You can win in only and in that time you can loose in live poker.
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I play both online and live many, many hours of both. IMO the online player will be much more technically sound, but a great deal of time when online players transition to live, they need to adapt to two main things. 1) Pre-flop raise sizing a typical 3x blind raise will not thin the field at all in a live game. In my experience a typical raise sizing in a live game to avoid a family pot is at lease 5x the big blind. 2) Initially online players transitioning to live tend to be tell boxes. Care is needed to avoid giving away hand strength.
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I do not see any advantage to the contrary the online player must overcome the fact of not being at home comfortably and not having to worry about controlling their emotions
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An average online player has an advantage due to a more flexible understanding of poker situations due to a greater number of tournaments played and a deeper knowledge of poker mathematics (for example, BB range protection against CO or BTN is more accurate). An offline player has a stronger understanding of the psychology and subtleties of offline games (excitement, experience playing offline). It's hard for me to say who is better. It all depends on the situation and the players.
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re: Poker & Do Successful Online Players Have An Advantage In Live Games?
Online gives you much more action for the same time played so you learn faster (if you want to learn). Also online it is much more easier (and cheaper) to start playing which means that even at the low stakes you have enough good players and you need to learn and improve to be competitive. Maybe due to this they say that when you are successful online you also should be online. First time when i played in casino i was worried if i will be able to properly monitor blind levels, pot size and my own bets but it turned out to be much easier than i thought. Information about the blind levels and number of players was constantly available on several monitors and dealer took care of most of the other work. In fact playing in casino proved to be easier than a home game.
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I think there are big differences between online and live to suppose that but I think that online players are more aggressive when they play live games
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I'm not sure either one has an advantage. I think with the online player he has more experience due to playing more hands. Live poker players know more about tells and the psychology of the game.
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Of course they have. By playing it every day, it's the best exercise.
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I personally do way better live than online. Not sure why really, never thought about it. But I guess because I can get reads on people. I also find that the cards play better, not as many bad beats etc.
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re: Poker & Do Successful Online Players Have An Advantage In Live Games?
The habit of consistently grinding multi-tables online and taking notes everywhere. This is something that translates well into live play, where the hands/hr is a lot lower but dynamic is no less interesting.
So yes, online grinders do have advantage because they are exposed to a lot more situations in a shorter period of time. The quick decision-making involved there makes playing live seem easier. Just not in an auto-pilot way.
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Doug Polks upswing poker had this to say.
https://upswingpoker.com/online-poke...b114022b1ec50d Use online poker with all the software add ons to practice and study for live play. "play a game that's 5% to 10% of the stakes of your typical live game."
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I personally think that any amount of play be it online or live can make for a better player.... practice makes perfect...lol
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Yes. if they are good online players. a bad player is a bad player regardless of format. A good online player has so much experience, it definitely helps at the slower live game.
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What scubed said I totally agree with , although I lack of the experience of a live game grinder , I can see many differences between the 2 kind of games .
There are players good at both of them , but I believe there are too many players who cannot adapt their style , strategy , technique , know-how , from live poker in casinos to online poker rooms and vice versa . Is this a coincidence ? I do believe no , HUDs cult maybe contribute in this irregularity , other training/analysing tools , for online live games or postgame use , all accepted by most pokerrooms ---- bad for poker , my opinion ......
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I know I talked and saw professional players who can play both in online poker and in live events, but they say that it is easier for them to play online poker if you compare the game in tournaments, the main thing they say is to
any card played well and it will depend on you how and in which position you will play it, I also asked them how to play online against live poker for them, told me that they could play here and there, and I even watched a player win a ticket through satellites and then play in a live tournament and win money!
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