do you think people cheat online. im still a little nervous playing online for mid stakes. i dont mind playing freerolls or micro cause i font thjnk it would be worth the time for cheats to play. what you think

Online players don't/can't cheat but some use third party poker software to help them:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...ware-tools-61/

Don't can't cheat. Must be an online poker employee.

700 posts and players can't and don't cheat. This means there is no possible way we could play at the same table, communicate our cards, and have an advantage.

It's impossible.

They can't do it. Oh, you're at that table? No possible way to know that. I'm still in a cave and had someone write this for me, because there is no way for me to communicate with you.

Yes it happens, always has and always will. That is why I like groups like CC. They make it more likely that I am not playing with cheaters.

We can never know the truth 100% whether there is fraud at the poker tables. It is not profitable for a poker site to divulge the truth about the presence of bots at the tables. The site certainly fights these bots. I personally have little faith in cheating at tournaments. At cash tables this is possible.

honestly there are doubts about honesty online, I'm not sure that everything online is honest.

Originally Posted by killercon

do you think people cheat online. im still a little nervous playing online for mid stakes. i dont mind playing freerolls or micro cause i font thjnk it would be worth the time for cheats to play. what you think

If we talk about cheating a poker site, I think it is impossible at the cash table? Why 2-3 do not agree

I certainly think, you have a point. I am also not really worried about people cheating in micro stakes games or even low stakes. But when you get into mid stakes, there is a lot more financial incentive to try and get away with collusion, multi accounting or using AI software during play. This is a real issue and the main reason, why the future of online mid-high stakes cash games is questionable.

Having read the fundiver 199's post above , I want to say that some (not few) online high stakes players were actually caught by some players at the same stakes with the support of online poker communities , cheating using collussion , multiaccounting , having some not probable God runs and profits (using AI or anything else ) etc . So this is not an improbability . Also the use of AI programmes that give an advantage for GTO advanced decisions , bots that some players use in some sites , give the user sometimes an advantage that can't be addressed properly . Although , if you play your Agame , better if it's a multi tabling tournament , you have better odds playing against these scammers , some (not advanced maybe ) bots also play in a ridiculusly predicted way on the long run (size of bets , overbetting , particular tedencies ) so you are able to idntify them and ask the site to ban them

It's better to play in a well known poker room , either live or online . Cheating can happen everywhere either it's online or live poker .
Also cheating takes place everywhere in our everyday life imo , so no reason to doubt if there is cheating or not .
Online sites are able to do more , but I don't see in many occassions determination to do so . This puzzles me , the reasons behind this lack of will to solve it at a great grade . Some sites use programmes while you play to determine the use of forbidden software , what is allowed and what not , why not forbid every programme running at the same time with poker software to solve this problem , at least for most cheaters , not a solution most regs would like though . Although I have to say that I have read of other solutions using another pc than the one you actually play , also cheaters will always find a way to go on cheating , the evolution of everyone's arsenal , sites's/pokerrooms' or cheaters' , is ongoing , neverending .




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Hi.

I suppose that in general the only possible trap is collusion, but I imagine that it would only be possible in a sit and go table, in cash, or in any single table game in which two or more players agree to play "team up".
Anyway I suppose that the rooms will have their resources to monitor and end situations like this (I suspect it once happened to me but being a rookie my opinion may not be qualified because maybe it was just paranoia and anger).
I don't think any other kind of trap is possible.

Best regards from Buenos Aires.

Hi mate.Unfortunately,cheating ,collusion and bots are part of present online poker..That´s why serious poker sites has strict rules against them,including, of course,the risk of losing your account and your bankroll..

Sure,you could be hit by lightning,but worrying about it is pointless.

Well when you get it figured out, let me know so I can tell all lol

Originally Posted by terryk

Sure,you could be hit by lightning,but worrying about it is pointless.

Except that when you apply your logic to the original post. Then it would be worrying about getting hit by lightingin during a thunderstorm... while being outside, and holidng an umbrella.

Having fear of cheating in the online poker world, is fair, espceially when you have no clue who or what is infront of the other side of the monitor. There have been online poker superusers who've abuse their powers to win tournaments, fortunately they were too stupid and greedy and got caught.

Such is the case of POTRIPPER, who won his tournament by calling with (

You Tube

)

But if the guy was more cautious, and played more "normal" then maybe he could still be doing harm today.

Maybe there are Superusers in Pokerstars that settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th place, just to not rise suspicions.

Even live poker has seen cheating players, such as Mike Postle.

We must not forget that currently the most important rooms put great efforts to maintain security and integrity at their tables, from hiring “Security Equipment” to having a series of regulations for the use of “third party software”, as well as updates software constants that allow greater security and control.

All these actions in order to win and maintain the confidence of their players.

With mobile phones and apps that you can use to message with, its easy to create a group at a single cash table. Technically you could have numerous phones and computers involved and be running them all yourself, no need for partners. I only play micro cash tables, less to lose and chances are the cheaters aren't interested in your pennies.

I've seen it in tournaments with 3 players clearly chip dumping to each other on the approach to the bubble. Sometimes when there are 2 or 3 tables they even announce their intention in chat to target the short stack and fold to each other. I've sent screenshots of this and no action was taken. Some sites have an agenda especially when they are targeting expansion in a new market.

Originally Posted by killercon

do you think people cheat online. im still a little nervous playing online for mid stakes. i dont mind playing freerolls or micro cause i font thjnk it would be worth the time for cheats to play. what you think

i I was playing at poker stars quite a lot one day my account had quit a bit more money in it. come to find out they had caught some players cheating, in a ring game i was in. they were barred from the sight and i was reimbursed all the money i had lost. yes you can be cheated but they closely monitor this. i think they call it collusion.

Originally Posted by killercon

do you think people cheat online. im still a little nervous playing online for mid stakes. i dont mind playing freerolls or micro cause i font thjnk it would be worth the time for cheats to play. what you think

There are cheaters in all games, everywhere in most cases. You just don't know about it yet.

the odds of playing with such a bot / cheater is really really low, so I would not worry about it.

If you run stats, notes, you may find that such a certain player may have stats that don't make a lot of sense, then you can use that to your advantage and either move tables, or play appropriately against that player.

You'll have cheaters at a local casino / poker table just as likely as an online table.

that should not deter you from playing and learning and getting better. Let them take advantage of a weaker player and not you.

i don't think you can essential cheat online anymore in poker.. maybe they are using HUDs and they are reading you right??

the only type of cheating i can think of is ACR using bots lols

Really hard to distinguish cheat or not, but u find someone always win after river or all-in preflop, that must be something wrong.

Originally Posted by niphon56

Really hard to distinguish cheat or not, but u find someone always win after river or all-in preflop, that must be something wrong.

This is pretty much the obvious giveaway and if you're seeing this and thinking they are just sun-running, you are deluding yourself.

I think any thing is possible but not in good interest for poker site i hope they try to stop it.

Are the players at 888poker that say thier country is 888 cheat bots played for 6 hours to come second to one of them with four bad beats in a row.

Originally Posted by Derek2summer

Are the players at 888poker that say thier country is 888 cheat bots played for 6 hours to come second to one of them with four bad beats in a row.

I'm not sure exactly how that works but I have had three players respond and say where they are from.. doesn't seem to be any particular country, but some just get labeled with 888 for some reason. Probably not bot accounts. If you're worried about house bots, think why would a site identify their own house bots with a label for you. They wouldn't.

Unfortunately like everything in life “where there is money there are cheats”

I think bots are the number one problem now and maybe even more in the future.

I already feel I am playing more that just Opponents.

• Opponents
• Poker sites (hard to win game rules)
• Bots/Cheats

Lucky for me I still believe I will win.

Originally Posted by terryk

Sure,you could be hit by lightning,but worrying about it is pointless.

Yeah worrying about it may be pointless but I am not going to run around outside carrying a metal pole in a thunderstorm either.

Originally Posted by dregan

We can never know the truth 100% whether there is fraud at the poker tables. It is not profitable for a poker site to divulge the truth about the presence of bots at the tables. The site certainly fights these bots. I personally have little faith in cheating at tournaments. At cash tables this is possible.

you know you talked about bots i'm not going to quote the room but i'm playing in a room and i had the distinct impression of playing with bots and mainly in the hu i even played this tournament ... but i'm playing with a hud and i need to identify bots ... but they are not invincible ... I think it's even easier ...

the deception is a part of the game but one has to keep in mind that if they discover you it is negative for you since they take you as a fish that will be easy to take out your chips, on the freerolls the methodology of the jego is very different since they play luck by going all in with any hand haver if they grab hands and take the grounds

Yes, there are many ways to chat with people online now that poker site can't stop, there's nothing stopping a group of people sharing info via a chat program while at a table together.

When it comes to money on the internet, there are always people ready for any tricks.

Sometimes, of course, there is a thought that the opponent knows which cards will come. But when you play 100k + hands, you realize that this is not the case, and he was just lucky

Originally Posted by killercon

do you think people cheat online. im still a little nervous playing online for mid stakes. i dont mind playing freerolls or micro cause i font thjnk it would be worth the time for cheats to play. what you think

I think sometimes have a cheat,but only in cash game or biggest spin&go or sit&go.When the cash is little not a problame , but when is played for example 100$ spin&go i watched interesting situation , when i take allin A K preflopp and the 6 7 easy call me and the flopp is 6 7 7 . I think have something cheat , and see your card or /and the board cards .

Originally Posted by Pimp 007 x

Except that when you apply your logic to the original post. Then it would be worrying about getting hit by lightingin during a thunderstorm... while being outside, and holidng an umbrella.

Having fear of cheating in the online poker world, is fair, espceially when you have no clue who or what is infront of the other side of the monitor. There have been online poker superusers who've abuse their powers to win tournaments, fortunately they were too stupid and greedy and got caught.

Such is the case of POTRIPPER, who won his tournament by calling with (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM)

But if the guy was more cautious, and played more "normal" then maybe he could still be doing harm today.

Maybe there are Superusers in Pokerstars that settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th place, just to not rise suspicions.

Even live poker has seen cheating players, such as Mike Postle.

I still can't believe that "Potripper" was able to get away with it for as long as he did. He was playing literally every hand, and correctly. I guess it was when he started calling things like 10-high in big cash games that others started to notice. He could still be getting away with cheating today if he played more sensible, logical poker.