xOneCoolHandx
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Hi, thanks for your reply, however i meant in non cc games vs non cc players (so players you don't have notes on) , my question remains , does reliance on notes in cc games not hamper games outside of cc vs non cc members?
To add , I would say does this reliance on notes not slow down natural ability when now playing people who you have no notes on? (Sorta back to basics) ?
My view is to get stronger against everyone, cc and non cc members alike, I like all their chips equally , I take notes, just mental ones though
I uunderstand what you are saying, but my answer still stays the same. You can run into the same non cc players in different tournaments. So you you can take notes and remember them for next time too.
I also don’t believe your natural ability is hindered. If anything improved as you will start to see common tendencies in many players.
I do not see how natural ability would be hindered by taking notes all of the time against everyone. You WILL most likely run into the same people numerous times, especially when you play at the same level. And when you do, you already have a built in read on them, of course, you want to verify that they have not changed their game through improvement or because they are in a different format than when you played them before (say a freeroll v a buyin tourney). But because you already have a read on them, you can know what to expect sooner than organically trying to read them. Plus, that frees you up somewhat to observe how the other players are playing. So, once you verify your read on the player that you already have notes on, you can concentrate on learning how the other players play.
I have a terrific memory, yet I am not going to remember how someone that I saw last week specifically plays, I may remember his screen name and a few other random bits of information, but nothing as substantial as the book I keep on him (or her).
It doesn't matter CC player, non-CC player, CC game or non-CC game. You take notes and they will end up being useful in the game you are playing, especially when you see patterns emerge like a guy who raises from the button every time it is folded around to him when he is on the button...or a stop and go player...or a player who loves to raise from UTG every round. These players are out there.
Not long ago I was in a tournament with a guy who would raise from the BB every single round, he was not called often because otherwise, he was a very tight player, only coming in with top 10 hands. On the rare instances he was called on these BB raises, he would pot bet the flop every single time. Once I identified what he was doing, I started calling his BB raise and 3 betting his cbet. He would fold. This went on 4 or 5 times and I thought he would figure out that I knew what he was doing and was just raising him with cheese (which I was)...but I guess he didn't take notes, because he let it continue until he was moved to another table. About 45 minutes to an hour later, we both reached the final table. I noticed right away that he was still running his BB raise, so I went right back after him. While he never caught on, other savvy players did and I had to settle my own thieving ways down because there were a few of us going at him now. He NEVER adjusted and was busted out in 8th.
Had I NOT been taking notes, I probably would have identified what he was doing, but then after him being gone and other players coming and going, I may or may not have remembered his BB raises. I certainly wouldn't remember them the next time I play him. BUT, I have a note, once I verify that he has not altered his strategy, then I will be able to go right after his BB sooner than organically picking it up during play. This is profitable and is only 1 of a million examples I could give you on why taking notes, regardless of where and against who you play, is a key element to playing winning poker.
You already play a really solid game Sean, but I think this will help elevate you to the next level.