Hold cards on table?

[Pokerguy57]

Yesterday in a HOLDEM tourney, I have the dealer button, blinds are 6k/12k on final table. I pick up pocket jacks with a couple limpers ahead of me, I raise to 80K which chased out the limpers it comes around to what I thought was my turn and mucked my cards thinking everyone folded. The player to my right says wait I’m still in! I can’t see his cards in his big left hand and I didn’t see chips in front of him. He holds his cards throughout the hand. My issue for not being on top of it but what’s is the rule? Should your cards be on table and marked or can a player physically hold them throughout?

 

[Emily Trott]

This is the rule from Foxwoods in CT, and I'd assume that they are similar elsewhere, so if you couldn't see the cards then it was against the rules. Since it says they must be kept "in plain view" that would mean more than just a corner should be showing, and most likely the whole card.

"25: Cards & Chips Kept Visible, Countable, & Manageable. Discretionary Color-Ups
C: Players must keep live hands in plain view at all times."

https://www.foxwoods.com/siteassets/casino/poker/foxwoods-poker-tournament-rules.pdf

PS - Good question. I've seen a few players who do the same thing.

 

[rvicente13]

he must leave the sample chips, with the highest value in front. and just in front of the chips the card should also be visible.

 

[kitchy65]

Yesterday in a HOLDEM tourney, I have the dealer button, blinds are 6k/12k on final table. I pick up pocket jacks with a couple limpers ahead of me, I raise to 80K which chased out the limpers it comes around to what I thought was my turn and mucked my cards thinking everyone folded. The player to my right says wait I’m still in! I can’t see his cards in his big left hand and I didn’t see chips in front of him. He holds his cards throughout the hand. My issue for not being on top of it but what’s is the rule? Should your cards be on table and marked or can a player physically hold them throughout?

Usually when waiting to act, cards are visible (where the hole card cam is, I can't remember what they call it as I write) or out front with a chip sat on top, while you think.

What was the ruling?

 

[BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch]

I cannot understand how you could miss either the person not giving up a hand or the dealer taking the cards from someone.

If that happened to me then that would be an alarm that I'm not paying enough attention to the action and getting too excited over my holding. Or just not paying enough attention to what's going on.

If I'm in the 3 or 4 seat and can't see the person who is just before the next curve in the table because there are people and chips in the way I will still be paying attention to how everyone responds and can tell when someone has a hand by how they're moving their chips and body language after someone raises/bets and by who the dealer is looking at for action.

I would suggest watch the action and peel one card and get used to memorizing one card and watching the action and the dealer while putting the card under your hand while watching the action then peel/cup the next card quickly and be done.

Don't chat if you can't pay attention to the action. Don't watch sports if your casino has TVs or any other distractions like the knockout at the table.

 

[Kinalha]

Yesterday in a HOLDEM tourney, I have the dealer button, blinds are 6k/12k on final table. I pick up pocket jacks with a couple limpers ahead of me, I raise to 80K which chased out the limpers it comes around to what I thought was my turn and mucked my cards thinking everyone folded. The player to my right says wait I’m still in! I can’t see his cards in his big left hand and I didn’t see chips in front of him. He holds his cards throughout the hand. My issue for not being on top of it but what’s is the rule? Should your cards be on table and marked or can a player physically hold them throughout?

The cards need to be visible to all in the table

 

[mtl mile end]

From Robert's Rules of Poker v.11, Section 2, Procedures:

18. Players must keep their cards in full view. This means above table-level and not past the edge of the table. The cards should not be covered by the hands in a manner to completely conceal them.


Also of possible interest; Section 3 , General Poker Rules, Dead Hands:

2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved and ruled live at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. An extra effort should be made to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player.

 

[dannystanks]

The big handed guy might not know the rules of 'clearly identifiable' because he plays like this at his home games or wherever (non casino), or he knows the rules and is angle shooting.

 

[spunka]

You need to pay attention to what is happening at the table, the chips from you opponent should be over the Line at the table, and by that visible to you. The dealer should not put your cards in the muck but pay attention too.

 

[serj537]

As far as I know, the cards should be on the table.

 

[takinitSLEAZEE]

Note to self: never give the dealer folded cards until the chips are headed your way, then there is no mistake. I've been in a similar situation, but it was a mis-call instead. I just didn't see nor hear the raise and it cost me another 5K instead of the initial 1600. Anyway, it's made me pay more attention to the table or at least look around the table before I make any move.

 

[subluchuk]

Yesterday in a HOLDEM tourney, I have the dealer button, blinds are 6k/12k on final table. I pick up pocket jacks with a couple limpers ahead of me, I raise to 80K which chased out the limpers it comes around to what I thought was my turn and mucked my cards thinking everyone folded. The player to my right says wait I’m still in! I can’t see his cards in his big left hand and I didn’t see chips in front of him. He holds his cards throughout the hand. My issue for not being on top of it but what’s is the rule? Should your cards be on table and marked or can a player physically hold them throughout?

Cards do not leave the table.But if he just held them a little hidden an d it s more or less clear to everyone he s still in,It s your fault.Had some similar situation in which we managed to find a solution.I had to play my hand cards up

 

[subluchuk]

The big handed guy might not know the rules of 'clearly identifiable' because he plays like this at his home games or wherever (non casino), or he knows the rules and is angle shooting.

nevertheless is he still in the hand.

 

[SPANKYSN]

Yesterday in a HOLDEM tourney, I have the dealer button, blinds are 6k/12k on final table. I pick up pocket jacks with a couple limpers ahead of me, I raise to 80K which chased out the limpers it comes around to what I thought was my turn and mucked my cards thinking everyone folded. The player to my right says wait I’m still in! I can’t see his cards in his big left hand and I didn’t see chips in front of him. He holds his cards throughout the hand. My issue for not being on top of it but what’s is the rule? Should your cards be on table and marked or can a player physically hold them throughout?

I read the rulings in posts below...what was the final outcome? Were you able to retrieve your cards, or was your hand ruled dead?