When a newbie isn’t a newbie

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Some people play certain stakes or certain tourney buy-ins all the time and get a feel for everyone who regularly plays those levels. Then, when someone they’ve never seen before, especially if they take notes on everyone, they consider them some kind of newbie. However, it is clearly a mistake to assume someone is a poker newbie just because they’ve entered your game level for the first time. Even if you look them up on sharkscope and there’s little to no info on them that can’t be used as an indication of their experience level. For all you know they could have been playing for years on other sites. Or maybe they have years-worth of face-to-face winnings. Assuming someone is a newbie just because there are no stats on them can get you into a whole lot of trouble.
 
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I don't think anyone actually does identify someone as a newbie just because its their first time on that level on that site or location. However the vast majority of players who you have never heard of comes in to play for the first time very well could be a newbie. Although I do agree with your point by not taking someone serious enough
 
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Never assume anything, instead watch and study the player and once you've seen him play a few hands, then can you place him in a category (TAG, LAG, TP or LP).
 
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It's best to just assume everyone is competent until they give you evidence that they are not.

Just watch their stats over a few hundred hands and they will show you what type of player they are.

Make use of a HUD as it can save your butt many times. I especially recommend a HUD if you are playing more than 1 or 2 tables at a time.

But yes, never assume anything because then you just make an ASS out of U and ME. :D
 
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It is not difficult to assume ,you will be simply crushed by a crowd of sharks of this poker site and this limit ..it often happens that if at some limits you are God, at older limits you are a fish
 
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Evaluate exactly the level of the opponent at the beginning of a tournament or just because it is a new one is impossible for the good reason that an opponent will play the same way several different hands. All we can do is to define a range, a panel of hands that he is likely to play in this way. It is necessary to play several hands against a player to evaluate his level.
 
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It's best to just assume everyone is competent until they give you evidence that they are not.

Just watch their stats over a few hundred hands and they will show you what type of player they are.

Make use of a HUD as it can save your butt many times. I especially recommend a HUD if you are playing more than 1 or 2 tables at a time.

But yes, never assume anything because then you just make an ASS out of U and ME. :D
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Remember that when you've identified a newbie, next time you meet the newbie might have learnt a lot.
 
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It could be a clever strategy; that is pretending to be a newbie. But regardless you should keep your guard up no matter who you play.
 
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Evaluate opponent with feel at time of play- as they could change their play from one game to next.
 
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hello I think that analyzing each of the opponents of the table as they are delivering information you realize who is the fish on the table
 
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What about a simple good bankroll management? If a player don't have enough to stay at a certain limit, he will go down which is the exact opposite of a newbie.

The guy is coming from higher limits and therefore is better than most players from this new limit he's "forced" to try...
 
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Assuming someone is a newbie just because there are no stats on them can get you into a whole lot of trouble.
That's simple. Don't assume it. I regret that I am lazy to write notes for every player I've read (actually, "I think I've read":D). So often I play with "blank" player. I don't use sharkscope etc. But you have a stack. You have time. You have a board. It's not problem to read him again (even again). I don't claim noting is useless. But you have enough time to understand (not assume!) opponent's style.
 
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"Even if you look them up on Sharkscope and there’s little to no info on them that can’t be used as an indication of their experience level" - this is why (unless it's pokerstars) no1 marks you as a reg/rec based on you small SS sample on 888 (most dont). A good example would be Party for the last 2-3 years - г had not distance now almost every1 has some distance
 
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Under estimating an unknown opponent is never a good thing
 
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Some people play certain stakes or certain tourney buy-ins all the time and get a feel for everyone who regularly plays those levels. Then, when someone they’ve never seen before, especially if they take notes on everyone, they consider them some kind of newbie. However, it is clearly a mistake to assume someone is a poker newbie just because they’ve entered your game level for the first time. Even if you look them up on Sharkscope and there’s little to no info on them that can’t be used as an indication of their experience level. For all you know they could have been playing for years on other sites. Or maybe they have years-worth of face-to-face winnings. Assuming someone is a newbie just because there are no stats on them can get you into a whole lot of trouble.


I've blocked my stats at shark-player scope for all of my accounts at most of the poker rooms.

Recently had a discussion in a freeroll with one regular freeroller.

Since my nickname is "fisharkey" he started to call me a complete fish and provided evidences, he wrote notes on my range and play style for some time and during our discussion he stated that i'm a fish because i was 3betting pre-flop with hands like 56o. Well, in unimportant freerolls I usually play GTO-Donk style, so maybe his notes on me have been correct from some point of view.

But our conversation has ended when I invited that guy to join me at the final table of 5Eur buy-in tourney where I was sitting at the same time, or play cash HU for 100-200Euro and told him the names of the tables where I was waiting for him.:flute:

Suddenly that freeroller shark felt that it's a really cold ocean and he must swim back to his lake.:burnout:

I think I made a mistake by doing this. It would be better to answer this: "3betting is too small, I usually bet 7 or more big blinds when I have a feeling that I will win big":icon_joke

You know, some of my biggest wins at the cash tables happened because I've represented a image of complete fish. Wasted several 80 cent buy-ins at NL2 table to call all-ins with hands like 9-4s, spent 2.4Euro to buy an image of an idiet on a table with just 1 reg who had info on me... By the end of next hour had 23euro there, investing 3.2... I left the table because 2 more regs have joined it and just 1 fish was sittiing there, but suddenly he switched to tight style.

Another example was at NL10 table, Sunday evening one of 9 player tables was full of new players with just 1 reg and 1 free spot, I've joined with 4Euro buy-in, spent 2 buy-ins for going and calling pre-flop all-in with trashy connectors. Bought a fish image for 8Euro... 3rd rebuy for 4Euro and several hours later I'm leaving the table with 85Euro, just because all fish has left and regs who waited in the line have filled 70% of the table.

At the vip freerolls where we all know each other for long time i'm exploiting my image of tight player and often win small pots preflop by 3betting some of the players that i know for a long time, i 3bet with nay hand in any position, just because I know that i have to fold to 4bet or all-in or will win the pot right now, in 80% of cases they fold their AJ, just because of the notes they have on me.

GTO strategy is good.
 
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Wow I never heard of sharkscope until today. I think ill try out the site to find the sharks. Truthfully I won a few tournaments when I first started online poker but I just don't have the patience to sit and win even at casinos so recently I've been losing.
 
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Finaltable1 it's always interesting to read your comments, the metagame strategy and the switching from loose to Tight will make you unreadable and you will own your opponents. Sometimes I pay the River knowing I am Beat just for showdown and to have a read on my opponents range
 
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