Its fine to sometimes limp behind or complete from SB. Open limping is not something, I would recommend, other than from SB in games with antes. Remember that you need a very large sample to detect a change in your results. How you are doing over 20 or even 100 SnGs will be completely random and determined mostly by luck rather than a small change in strategy.
Maybe so, but I know how I was doing when I tried to play by the book. Maybe your games are different, but in mine nobody folds so raising is just throwing money away.
Maybe your games are different, but in mine nobody folds so raising is just throwing money away.
Maybe so, but I know how I was doing when I tried to play by the book. Maybe your games are different, but in mine nobody folds so raising is just throwing money away.
If nobody folds why wouldn't you want to raise with the best hand?
If there are many calling stations left to act after you, then use a tighter range and a larger size. You dont HAVE to play J9s from UTG, if its usually going to result in you ending up in a 4-way pot as monkey in the middle. The conclusion, that open limping is not profitable, is one, that thousands of winning poker players have collectively arrived at by playing billions of hands over a period of decades. So its up to you, but I dont see any particular value in trying to reinvent the wheel, when it comes to this particular part of poker strategy.
Fundiver is right on. I would challenge you to find any poker book or poker training video that advocates open limping.
I am firmly convinced that most of the errors made in low stakes games are related to limping:
1. limping to sitters
2. limping with sitters at the table
3. limping buttons
4. limp folding to short stacks
5. high blind limping
6. open limping
I think a lot of losing players could become winning players by simply eliminating open limping from their game.
Because hand value diminishes with multiple players
Your equity goes down but there are also more people putting money in the pot. If you have the advantage in terms of hand strength that's still a positive. It's also fairly irrelevant if you compare it to the alternative (limping) because that is never going to reduce the number of people that see the flop.
I don't think anything has changed. If you play with junk, it will most likely lead to losses. It is better to be patient and wait for strong cards.
What may be happening if it is not just variance is that by limping you are getting away from pots and or losing less in pots post flop than you would do if you were raising and then trying to make hands win post flop because they were the best hands preflop and you were the raiser. If so this is an indicator of the need for post flop skill improvement not that limping all hands is better than raising.
I’m not talking junk. I’m talking about hands like small pairs, suited connectors, suited aces. Hands you don’t know if you’ve got anything until after the flop.
Exactly. Its a common mistake for people to feel, that if they raised preflop, then they must also C-bet the flop and try to win the hand even by running a big multistreet bluff. Whereas if they limped or called preflop, its much more acceptable to take a neutral action and check. And in multiway pots (especially 4 or more players) you have to be very selective with, which hands you continue with. Its totally acceptable to raise preflop and then simply give up, if you get 3-4 callers and miss the flop completely.
As I touched on already, in loose games these hands should just be folded from early position with the clarification, that we are talking about hands such as 98s or A4s and not KQs and AQs, which are technically also suited connectors and suited aces. Its simply not profitable to play speculative hands out of position against many opponents, and maybe you lose less by limping, but you still lose. So simply tighten up, and if open raising dont create a good situation, because you get to much action, then fold.
If you are in late position, and the game is very loose, then chances are, someone else have already entered the pot, because otherwise its not really a loose game. And then you can at least consider playing those cute pretty hands, that dont really make anyone money in the long run, and its often fine to do so by taking a passive action and call. You still should not press "call", every single time you look down at 33 or 86s, but its at least better to play these hands in late position rather than early position.
I’ll just keep losing then. You’re gonna get blinded off with this strategy in any sort of tournament.