KK beaten by 76s

AllinIgor

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I received KK in the initial position Blinds 400/800, raised to 1600 the rest of the table rotated in fold and BB call.
Flop: 824s (hearts), villain went all in with 28,674 chips in a pot of 4320 chips, left to me 9,995. I thought for a while and called, assuming he had top pair of the board, nothing more.
To my surprise, it opened with 76s (hearts).
Turn: Q, River 10.
gg for me... Haha
How would you guys play this hand, the raise was the correct size, was it right to call in all in the villain, or rather have folded?
Leave your opinions, how should I have played?
 

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With KK you need to raise more to protect you hand. You had just over ten big blinds so your best option was to shove all-in.
When a player just calls, their raise will contain suited connectors. You need to put your Villains on a range of hands on the flop. The only pair that beats you is pocket aces. That flop has to set alarm bells off when the Villain goes all-in. It is hard to fold KK but sometimes you will have to. remember the best hand pre-flop is not necessarily the best hand post-flop.I did a similar thing today and rivered a straight with 98s and cracked AA.
My thinking was that I had a deteriorating stack the blinds were increasing and I had a hand that could make straights and flushes.
As you play poker more often you will find these hands happening more frequently.
 
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With KK you need to raise more to protect you hand. You had just over ten big blinds so your best option was to shove all-in.
When a player just calls, their raise will contain suited connectors. You need to put your Villains on a range of hands on the flop. The only pair that beats you is pocket aces. That flop has to set alarm bells off when the Villain goes all-in. It is hard to fold KK but sometimes you will have to. remember the best hand pre-flop is not necessarily the best hand post-flop.I did a similar thing today and rivered a straight with 98s and cracked AA.
My thinking was that I had a deteriorating stack the blinds were increasing and I had a hand that could make straights and flushes.
As you play poker more often you will find these hands happening more frequently.



Thanks for your comment my friend.
In fact, I took into consideration going all in with KK, by my stack, I had bad little 12 to 13 BB.
However, I wanted the chicken table to just my bet, by the fact that I was too tight ne table, the players were not paying my raises.
Unfortunately, I agree that I played the wrong way, because any suited connector or any A on BB, is totally defensible. The worst happened and gg.
Thanks for your comment, and helped a lot!
 
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we try to capitalize on good short cards to try to double or triple our stack.
it doesn’t always work, but I’d particularly like it.
it's just my inexperienced opinion.
 
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The way I see it if you raise larger than 2x you could get bad beat by big slick.

So I don't believe in my opinion a larger raise will fold suited connectors since players these days call with any two cards in the online world.

I don't mind the 2x raise since its more important to be defensive in case an ace or flop textures like flushes or straight appear.

What I would really stop and think is why my opponent would shove all-in. Most likely players will shove with a big hand or bet big to disguise a bluff that ends up a big hand.

As well the pot odds were not that great to call as you are risking all your chips not having the nuts.
 
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It was played well, only the variance this time was not in your favor, keep studying and adding volume
 
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Would an opponent make all in with hands like A8 or 99 on such a flop ? This is the main question here. If you noticed such actions behind it, then your call is justified. You can only regret that you didn't have a king of hearts. If you took 1 out of your opponent on the preflop, you would run them over on the river. The only chance is to prevent the opponent from seeing the flop here. But if he is willing to go all in on the preflop with suited connectors, you would still lose.
 
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This should have been posted in tournament hand analysis, but maybe a moderator can move the thread?

Preflop
You started with 14,5BB, so the only options here are to jam or min-raise. Some people use raise sizes like 2,1 or 2,2BB, but this is still essentially a min-raise and makes no real difference. With KK you are very happy, if someone 3-bet or jam on you, so if you are still going to have a min-raising range with this stack size, then KK must absolutely go into it. So all in all I am fine with this.

Flop
Stack to pot ratio was a little over 2, and with a monotone board and no flush card in your hand, this is kind of close. I do lean towards making the call though, because I feel, a flopped flush would not always make the donk jam overbet. I think, you will be against a draw or some made hand trying to "protect" a lot of the time, so while I dont love the spot, I would also have called. Turns out he did in fact flop a flush, which I guess is good for him :)
 
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Thanks Guys

Thank you very much for all the comments, it has been of great help to my learning, this made me rethink and question all the odds involved. In a way, it is a complex move where even more experienced players question whether or not it would be valid, the call in question. A fold at that moment would make me comfortable for a time in the tournament, letting me make better decisions, on match, it is worth noting that also, the play cost me the exit of the tournament.

Pre Flop I had 77% in my favor against 23% and on the Flop when it opened, I had 3% and the opponent 97%.

Anyway maybe I did the wrong analysis, assuming the opponent could have top pair with Ace kicker, wanting to kick me out anyway.
 
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in my opinion you did not play wrong, but if it was all in pre flop with this stack, it would not be a bad move either!
 
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It hard to fold KK, but on this board you should fold. It cost only 2bb.

Open early with 2bb to so good idea (IMHO).
 
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My worst history with KK.

I was on a boat in Alaska, and playing in the BOAT casino on the electronic table, that deals cards to real players sitting around a big video board.

Well I get KK and have $60 out of my $100 buy in left. I can't wait to go ALL IN and go ALL in PRE FLOP.

Villan: takes his time, looks at me, again looks at me, and finally calls my ALL IN preflop.

Long story short: Villain has 10,10 vs. my K,K.

River: 10 - my KK loses. I was STUNNED and stated I'll never play "electronic board poker ever again!!!!" The other guy was real happy, saw him playing there frequently, no WAY was I going to lose more to "electronic random BS."
 
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I think you played pre flop fine. I don't know if I'd call the all in though, I think it'd depend how deep I was in the tournament or how big it was. I think the villain played his hand really bad and was really lucky that you called, since he overbetted the pot so much. I honestly don't think you should ever open all in on this flop, but what can you do.
 
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Pre-flop: I would've 3-bet minimum, your raise was an invitation to join the boat.
I know you want to snag everyone's money but you need to defend your hand first.
Post-flop: I hate when the 3 of them are the same color, and that always condition everyone strategy, but to be honest, probably I would've call like you did. Because he always could be bluffing or just be needing one more heart. I guess villain luck showed up that time.
 
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