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caracaski220
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caracaski220
Aces is the best hand period. Many players complain that they get cracked all the time. I say give me aces evry time. Many times they get cracked becaues of excesive slow play . If you let 4 or five players see the flop, you are in trouble. Keep it down one or to players with your preflop play. I will ay I really like KQ or JQ suited.
Aces is the best hand period. Many players complain that they get cracked all the time. I say give me aces evry time. Many times they get cracked becaues of excesive slow play . If you let 4 or five players see the flop, you are in trouble. Keep it down one or to players with your preflop play. I will ay I really like KQ or JQ suited.
Joe
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Whilst I really, really want to reply with "no comment" and furious emojis, haha... :laugh:
It's my understanding that the best cards to go up against aces is (as mentioned above) middling suited-connectors...
Things like 89s...
Preferably not the same suit as either of the AA, lolol..
Phoenix Wright
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https://www.oddsshark.com/poker/pocket-aces-odds#:~:text=The%20very%20best%20hand%20against,wins%2022.87%25%20of%20the%20time.
According to this, it is 8-7 suited. You could probably guess that this is the case because of potential for straights and flushes as well as being "far away" enough from the Aces to not be dominated, but not so far that the hand is complete trash.
KK is horrible against AA because the only outs (ignoring the board texture) is a King and there are only two left in the deck. AA versus KK (or any lower pocket pair) is roughly an 80% chance for the Aces to hold up and win.
Cards like 2-3 (suited or not) are too low and can't make a straight or flush lower. 8-7 suited can go either direction. 2-3 might be okay if there was like a 3,2,1[but not Ace],0, -1 or something lol. Obviously, it doesn't work that way.
Also, even if you do have the "perfect" 8-7 suited against AA, you are still far behind. Over 75% of the time, the AA is winning even against this "perfect" counter-Aces hand. Unless you are getting spectacular pot odds, then you are better folding when you know Villain has AA (unless you also have AA xD)
According to this, it is 8-7 suited. You could probably guess that this is the case because of potential for straights and flushes as well as being "far away" enough from the Aces to not be dominated, but not so far that the hand is complete trash.
KK is horrible against AA because the only outs (ignoring the board texture) is a King and there are only two left in the deck. AA versus KK (or any lower pocket pair) is roughly an 80% chance for the Aces to hold up and win.
Cards like 2-3 (suited or not) are too low and can't make a straight or flush lower. 8-7 suited can go either direction. 2-3 might be okay if there was like a 3,2,1[but not Ace],0, -1 or something lol. Obviously, it doesn't work that way.
Also, even if you do have the "perfect" 8-7 suited against AA, you are still far behind. Over 75% of the time, the AA is winning even against this "perfect" counter-Aces hand. Unless you are getting spectacular pot odds, then you are better folding when you know Villain has AA (unless you also have AA xD)
Joe
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Not if you want to win outright... :biggrin:
roger perkins
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but statistically usually you are at best 80% 20% so let's say the bet is the dollar. You will lose 80 and win 20 for a -60 return. Now if i have AA i break even 98 times and lose 2 times for a -2 return. So monetarily AA is the best hand against AA.
milka1605
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Yes, aces do not have super-winning abilities. But this does not mean that they will always be beaten. It all depends on you . What kind of raise will you enter the game, how will you play further. There is no card that will necessarily crack aces. This is a matter of chance.
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professor_poker
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Here's a different way of thinking. Something like 87suited might be the hand most likely to win when you get to showdown, but that question is actually irrelevant. The question is which hand will lose you the least money to AA.
Level 1 answer: 87 suited if we're going all in pre-flop
Level 2 answer: It would be something like 44 - hands where you have a strong chance of extracting max value from AA if you do flop very well. (E.g. AA not going to stack off on a board of J109 and a flush-draw too often, but it will stack off on a board of J74 rainbow)
Level 3 answer: 72 off suit - because you fold it preflop safely and so avoid playing AA, where you always expect to lose more than 1bb/hand
And the real answer from my database of over a million hands of cash games played? Of hands where I voluntarily put chips in the pot and villain had AA, 64suited lost me the least money. KK lost me the most.
Level 1 answer: 87 suited if we're going all in pre-flop
Level 2 answer: It would be something like 44 - hands where you have a strong chance of extracting max value from AA if you do flop very well. (E.g. AA not going to stack off on a board of J109 and a flush-draw too often, but it will stack off on a board of J74 rainbow)
Level 3 answer: 72 off suit - because you fold it preflop safely and so avoid playing AA, where you always expect to lose more than 1bb/hand
And the real answer from my database of over a million hands of cash games played? Of hands where I voluntarily put chips in the pot and villain had AA, 64suited lost me the least money. KK lost me the most.
Joe
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That'll drop with others in the pot..
thatguy6793
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Silver Level
A lot of things beat AA, AA isn't the best hand that once you're dealt it you automatically win. AA is the best paired hand, however paired hands are the second worst hand you can possibly have. We all have to learn that AA isn't some magically hand, its just two cards like every hand we're dealt. We shouldn't treat it as a silver bullet which will never lose and we shouldn't treat it as some cursed hand that will always get cracked. Remember your studies and play the hand is the most +EV way possible while acknowledging like every other hand there are hands after the flop that you will both lose to and beat but given our opponents range we can better say which side of the spectrum we lay on.
kunkgreen
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If I'm holding aces, 'anything' would be the answer!
It will depend on a number of factors, but generally suited connectors do reasonably well! 67s, 87s... (about 2.3% more than some other)
But they're still underdogs.
It will depend on a number of factors, but generally suited connectors do reasonably well! 67s, 87s... (about 2.3% more than some other)
But they're still underdogs.
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