In the Art of the Check-Raise we learn that back in the early days of poker it was not cool to check-raise but today it can be vital when playing out of position.

If you have not yet read Day 27 and watched the video for Day 27 - take a few minutes now to do that and then come back here to discuss it:

The Art of the Check-Raise

We saw some great hand examples in the video. Let's discuss the 3 key factors for effective check-raising with Katie and Collin in this thread.

Check-raising can make players mad because it's as if (and is) someone is blind-siding them and is the classical "prisoner's dilemma"...there is also the component where one player is planning to check raise the other player but the other player beat him to it then the first player feigns innocence pretending to be above such a betrayal of an implied understanding. I found it to be an emotional tool because you can drive some players to distraction and they may go bonkers if you do this too often and show great delight in doing so and winning...(via trash talk). On the receiving end of being check-raised constantly by bigger stacks has made me seethe and vow vengeance against the perpetrator(s) at the earliest opportunity as well. If the other players are smart they will vex you and then treat their check raises like a yo-yo so that you don't change your game or leave the table. Check-check raises are nice when they work but devastating when they don't..nobody's perfect.

Most times when I check raise it's to bust a player and take all of their chips..like a one-two punch combination. Have either of you had something like this happen where you actually felt bad about succeeding in check-raising someone and taking their chips? I remember a live game where a younger person, student probably, had a full house but I had a larger full house. The person was genuinely shocked and looked like they were about to cry. I felt kind of guilty for succeeding so well..but then again, karma has a way of coming around and balancing things out so I had to take it in the teeth myself..but I took it like man..and didn't cry in public

Originally Posted by Polytarp

Check-raising can make players mad because it's as if (and is) someone is blind-siding them and is the classical "prisoner's dilemma"...there is also the component where one player is planning to check raise the other player but the other player beat him to it then the first player feigns innocence pretending to be above such a betrayal of an implied understanding. I found it to be an emotional tool because you can drive some players to distraction and they may go bonkers if you do this too often and show great delight in doing so and winning...(via trash talk). On the receiving end of being check-raised constantly by bigger stacks has made me seethe and vow vengeance against the perpetrator(s) at the earliest opportunity as well. If the other players are smart they will vex you and then treat their check raises like a yo-yo so that you don't change your game or leave the table. Check-check raises are nice when they work but devastating when they don't..nobody's perfect.

Most times when I check raise it's to bust a player and take all of their chips..like a one-two punch combination. Have either of you had something like this happen where you actually felt bad about succeeding in check-raising someone and taking their chips? I remember a live game where a younger person, student probably, had a full house but I had a larger full house. The person was genuinely shocked and looked like they were about to cry. I felt kind of guilty for succeeding so well..but then again, karma has a way of coming around and balancing things out so I had to take it in the teeth myself..but I took it like man..and didn't cry in public

It can definitely tilt your opponents - and yourself sometimes!

it`s was funny)))

Check-raising must be used at the correct frequency, even though it is a powerful move. You are making the pot bigger when you have a positional disadvantage, which can lead to many difficult situations. Another danger is check-raising on dry flops where it’s tough for your opponent to have a hand strong enough to call. This allows them to play perfectly by folding a second-best hand. This principle also comes into play on turns where it is normal to raise your nutted hands.

The image you wanna create is someone to be feared. You want to be feared in all situations

Polytarp, don't feel bad about it, poker is war!

Fernando, very true on having the right frequencies. Too low and for sure you won't be feared at all when playing OOP. So that's a great point

Check-raising is something that I worked a lot this year and in this course it was one of first things that I looked, because I was genuinely interested to see how they approached it. But sadly, I was disappointed.

First of all, there is no such thing as when we want to check-raise. We always want to check-raise, but with different frequencies. On dry boards that suit preflop aggressor, we want to check raise less. On boards that suit us, we want to check-raise more. So let's say BB vs BTN, flop comes AK5. On this board we want to check-raise around 5%. But if you follow this course, you will have 0%. Conversely, if we look at another extreme, let's say, BB vs BTN flop 993, we need to check-raise around 30%, might be even more. But if you follow this course, you will have 5%, because you will not have bluffs.

Speaking about bluffs, Collin Moshman and Katie Dozier advocate to check-raise draws and that's it.vWell, if you look at solver you can see that it uses variety of low equity and high equity bluffs. Nick Petrangelo breaks bluffs into 3 parts: high equity bluffs (A high fd, oesd...), low equity bluffs (double backdoors, two overcards...) and some bottom pairs that will allow us to catch 2nd pairs and trips on variety of boards. Unfortunately this course doesn't mention none of these possible bluffs.

Originally Posted by magistrant420

it`s was funny)))

Glad to hear you enjoyed it!

Originally Posted by liuouhgkres

Check-raising is something that I worked a lot this year and in this course it was one of first things that I looked, because I was genuinely interested to see how they approached it. But sadly, I was disappointed.

First of all, there is no such thing as when we want to check-raise. We always want to check-raise, but with different frequencies. On dry boards that suit preflop aggressor, we want to check raise less. On boards that suit us, we want to check-raise more. So let's say BB vs BTN, flop comes AK5. On this board we want to check-raise around 5%. But if you follow this course, you will have 0%. Conversely, if we look at another extreme, let's say, BB vs BTN flop 993, we need to check-raise around 30%, might be even more. But if you follow this course, you will have 5%, because you will not have bluffs.

Speaking about bluffs, Collin Moshman and Katie Dozier advocate to check-raise draws and that's it.vWell, if you look at solver you can see that it uses variety of low equity and high equity bluffs. Nick Petrangelo breaks bluffs into 3 parts: high equity bluffs (A high fd, oesd...), low equity bluffs (double backdoors, two overcards...) and some bottom pairs that will allow us to catch 2nd pairs and trips on variety of boards. Unfortunately this course doesn't mention none of these possible bluffs.

I'm sorry to hear that you were disappointed with this section. One of the challenging aspects of creating a poker course is in breaking down concepts in which there are always multiple levels to consider. Aside from the true fundamentals, it is always up for debate as to which skills belong in which category of play--beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Our course is for beginning to intermediate players and I feel that our discussion on check-raising reflects that well Should we have the opportunity to create a course geared towards advanced players, I promise we will have quite a bit more to say about check-raising as it is one of my favorite topics!

Originally Posted by Katie Dozier

Glad to hear you enjoyed it!



I'm sorry to hear that you were disappointed with this section. One of the challenging aspects of creating a poker course is in breaking down concepts in which there are always multiple levels to consider. Aside from the true fundamentals, it is always up for debate as to which skills belong in which category of play--beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Our course is for beginning to intermediate players and I feel that our discussion on check-raising reflects that well Should we have the opportunity to create a course geared towards advanced players, I promise we will have quite a bit more to say about check-raising as it is one of my favorite topics!

I looked at several sections and imho you completely skipped true fundamentals. True fundamentals are board dynamics and range interactions. I didn't watch everything, but where I watched I didn't see much talk about these two most important concepts. This course is definitely not for intermediate players. At pokerstars low stakes regs are definitely using concepts beyond this course. Coming back to check-raising... If I could lay these things out in two paragraphs, I think you could squeeze them in your videos too.

Originally Posted by liuouhgkres

I looked at several sections and imho you completely skipped true fundamentals. True fundamentals are board dynamics and range interactions. I didn't watch everything, but where I watched I didn't see much talk about these two most important concepts. This course is definitely not for intermediate players. At pokerstars low stakes regs are definitely using concepts beyond this course. Coming back to check-raising... If I could lay these things out in two paragraphs, I think you could squeeze them in your videos too.

I suggest reading the eBook, in particular the opening section: "Introduction: How This Course Works." If you want to create a course for intermediate and advanced players that focuses on board dynamics and range interactions, I'll be the first one to read and watch it

Originally Posted by liuouhgkres

Check-raising is something that I worked a lot this year and in this course it was one of first things that I looked, because I was genuinely interested to see how they approached it. But sadly, I was disappointed.

First of all, there is no such thing as when we want to check-raise. We always want to check-raise, but with different frequencies. On dry boards that suit preflop aggressor, we want to check raise less. On boards that suit us, we want to check-raise more. So let's say BB vs BTN, flop comes AK5. On this board we want to check-raise around 5%. But if you follow this course, you will have 0%. Conversely, if we look at another extreme, let's say, BB vs BTN flop 993, we need to check-raise around 30%, might be even more. But if you follow this course, you will have 5%, because you will not have bluffs.

When I see people regularly either over-betting or check-raising board with pairs (like your 993 example), I will often challenge them or trap them so with a frequency of 30% I'd notice and wait my chance. Have done this so often I've lost count.

I use check-raising and I also watch for regular check-raisers - so 30% on a paired board would look so suspicious that any pair, A, suited (that match the board), or overcards (especially Broadway) I may call. A pair I would definitely call and let them bet into me, and it's so easy to trap people when you actually have the trips it's unfunny.

So I agree more with Collin and Katie, less often is better, you don't become as much of a target and get more respect from your check-raises, IMHO.

Some great new tips. Although check-raising isn't new to me, I have to admit, that I rarely do it unless I know I have them beat, and love to do it to maniacs! However, although I have bet or Cbet draws, I have never considered check-raising them. Something to consider

Thanks again

Good insight into the Check-Raise play here.

By the way, I am not going to hold my breath for the "Day 31" discussion on "if a tree falls in the forest, yet no one is around, does it make a sound?"

Collin: Is that kind of like if the tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, has it actually made a sound? Have we just uncovered a massive paradox?

Katie: [laughs] I don't know, I never figured out that tree one. You know, I'm still working on that ... so...

Collin: All right, that is going to be the next slide, actually.

Katie: Day 31 -

Collin: Day 31: Sound waves.

Rather than wait for Day 31, I'll just help Katie "figure out that tree one." Most people have heard this philosophical question in pop-culture, but don't really know its history from an academic perspective. As Collin pointed out (Wikipedia also focuses on the physical element here too), it could pertain to sound waves, but this wasn't the original meaning behind the question. This was originally George Berkeley's attempt for a proof that God exists. The argument went along the lines of, "how do we know an object falling truly makes a sound?" The answer is because our senses observe this (hearing the sound is applicable here). If a tree makes a sound when it falls, even if no one is around to witness it, then how is this the case? Berkeley's logic was that then there must be a presence of one who is always there to witness and so this must be God.
http://philosophyforyou.tripod.com/berkeley.html
There are much more convincing arguments for the case that God exists, but this was the original intent behind this question.

By the way, I am a college student pursuing a major in psychology and a minor in philosophy. This "tree one" is a classic that even introductory students learn about fairly early: even in most 101 classes, but naturally only in minimal detail until more advanced levels of study.

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Good insight into the Check-Raise play here.

By the way, I am not going to hold my breath for the "Day 31" discussion on "if a tree falls in the forest, yet no one is around, does it make a sound?"

Collin: Is that kind of like if the tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, has it actually made a sound? Have we just uncovered a massive paradox?

Katie: [laughs] I don't know, I never figured out that tree one. You know, I'm still working on that ... so...

Collin: All right, that is going to be the next slide, actually.

Katie: Day 31 -

Collin: Day 31: Sound waves.

Rather than wait for Day 31, I'll just help Katie "figure out that tree one." Most people have heard this philosophical question in pop-culture, but don't really know its history from an academic perspective. As Collin pointed out (Wikipedia also focuses on the physical element here too), it could pertain to sound waves, but this wasn't the original meaning behind the question. This was originally George Berkeley's attempt for a proof that God exists. The argument went along the lines of, "how do we know an object falling truly makes a sound?" The answer is because our senses observe this (hearing the sound is applicable here). If a tree makes a sound when it falls, even if no one is around to witness it, then how is this the case? Berkeley's logic was that then there must be a presence of one who is always there to witness and so this must be God.
http://philosophyforyou.tripod.com/berkeley.html
There are much more convincing arguments for the case that God exists, but this was the original intent behind this question.

By the way, I am a college student pursuing a major in psychology and a minor in philosophy. This "tree one" is a classic that even introductory students learn about fairly early: even in most 101 classes, but naturally only in minimal detail until more advanced levels of study.

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

This chapter is very interesting because what I called a limp is called a check, and being that way, the raise after a limp would be nothing more than a raise after a made hand, a draw or a good hand value materializes.

Tights players play like this, but the difference comes from the passivity of not placing chips in scenarios where the hand is not made, so that the opponent's fold equity is never achieved and it is difficult to even call against a villain's lead bet.

Very illuminating this topic.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre1279

This chapter is very interesting because what I called a limp is called a check, and being that way, the raise after a limp would be nothing more than a raise after a made hand, a draw or a good hand value materializes.

Tights players play like this, but the difference comes from the passivity of not placing chips in scenarios where the hand is not made, so that the opponent's fold equity is never achieved and it is difficult to even call against a villain's lead bet.

Very illuminating this topic.

Well said and thank you

I pretty like a check raise action, specially against agro / C-bet players.
One question, if you make a check raise after floppy with a semi bluff and got called by the villain and the draw does not convert at made hand on turn, how many pot comitted % do you consider to a shove or a call all in at the turn - ask.

Originally Posted by CadoARAJ

I pretty like a check raise action, specially against agro / C-bet players.
One question, if you make a check raise after floppy with a semi bluff and got called by the villain and the draw does not convert at made hand on turn, how many pot comitted % do you consider to a shove or a call all in at the turn - ask.

You should usually keep betting in these spots. If the pot is at least almost as big as the effective stack, then it's generally best to shove the turn.

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/824Bx4yKJ

This hand was played the day of the Check Raising article. Did I do it right..lol

Originally Posted by belizebum

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/824Bx4yKJ

This hand was played the day of the Check Raising article. Did I do it right..lol

Nice one Belize!

Yes, considering that there aren't too many draws at this flop, I like the decision to just call the check-raise and let him keep bluffing when he doesn't have much. Well played

Finished Day #27.

It was an interesting reading, I think that I need to incorporate that move much more in my game. I consider it as a powerful move, especially from the big blind when defending vs aggressive players. It requires some work though, and some practice at the tables. As with many of this course's concepts, the check/raise concept applies to cash games too.

Tomorrow with Day #28.

Originally Posted by Luvart

Finished Day #27.

It was an interesting reading, I think that I need to incorporate that move much more in my game. I consider it as a powerful move, especially from the big blind when defending vs aggressive players. It requires some work though, and some practice at the tables. As with many of this course's concepts, the check/raise concept applies to cash games too.

Tomorrow with Day #28.

Very glad to hear this and that you’re finding the course to be helpful for cash games as well

Nice video, lot of good spots shown here.
I would add that 88 hand where we check-raised from SB after a min bet and a call is a pretty standard thing to do, even regardless of what our holding is. Min betting is in my experience a huge sign of weakness, calling such a weak bet is sign of even greater weakness so it can be exploited quite often

Hello CCers,

Next to a cold stone bluff, check-raising is one of the plays in poker which gets my blood rushing the most. It definitely is not as fun when you are on the receiving end. A very valid point on setting up a check-raise against an aggressive player or someone with the betting lead when out of position.

I feel like a flat tyre when villain fails to bet out at me holding a very strong hand!

Response to video question:

A very wet board here and if we make a semi-bluff, it is disguised as a protection bet of a strong hand. A knowledge of opponents would be an asset here.

I would make a $300-325 raise in that spot hoping to take the betting lead and buy a free card. I would be very happy to continue betting if a heart hits the turn but otherwise call it down or even fold to any aggression if there is a diamond on the turn .

An exciting hand here!

a check raise against a non thinking player is like a gun without bullets

Originally Posted by Bozovicdj

Nice video, lot of good spots shown here.
I would add that 88 hand where we check-raised from SB after a min bet and a call is a pretty standard thing to do, even regardless of what our holding is. Min betting is in my experience a huge sign of weakness, calling such a weak bet is sign of even greater weakness so it can be exploited quite often

Great point and thank you

I am rather conservative with check-raising, same as with 3-betting. And I tend to respect both moves a lot.
The really wrecking part though is when it backfires...
I hold AQclubs, one limper, 4x pre-flop, limper calls.
Flop is 10d8c10c. I check-raise, villain shoves, I have him covered and call. He flips over pocket 8s...

I think whats important with the check raise is to have the plan in hand on turns. Which turns do i shut down, which do i continue.

I also like to size it correctly as you can get in some awkward spots on turns when your combo draws miss. Ideally I like to size it so I can shove most turns on big combo draws.

Originally Posted by shanest

I think whats important with the check raise is to have the plan in hand on turns. Which turns do i shut down, which do i continue.

I also like to size it correctly as you can get in some awkward spots on turns when your combo draws miss. Ideally I like to size it so I can shove most turns on big combo draws.

Definitely -- planning out the turn/river is very important after a flop check-raise!

Great lesson, I'm still reviewing lesson 15 but i'm loving the course.

The Art of the Check-Raise is a mandatory class for every poker player, lessons as they are perfect our game, you also have to be careful when facing a player who dominates the Check-Raise very well, there are players who do it very well, in Anyway, poker is a school that you never finish learning, thanks for this excellent article, I loved it!

This is a very effective poker trick! He is very effective at bluffing, and my bluffing is most often positive when using a check-raise!

Originally Posted by bempassado

Great lesson, I'm still reviewing lesson 15 but i'm loving the course.

So glad to hear this, thanks!

I like the idea of check-raise bluffing on coordinated flops when you have the range advantage. For instance, defending your big blind against a tight opponent and the flop is 876 or 995 check-raising any c-bet.

I think the check raise is a vital part of the players arsenal. On the one hand it can be used to bdraw more money into the pot when you are out of position, on the other it is a great bluffing tool.

Here's a hand I played recently that really was a turn in a freeroll I played where I ultimately got ITM. I think it counts. Really like sneaky sets


Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (10 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 2,840 (28 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 4,845 (48 bb)
MP: 1,430 (14 bb)
MP+1: 6,865 (69 bb)
CO: 1,250 (13 bb)
BU: 1,725 (17 bb)
SB: 1,255 (13 bb)
BB: 816 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (235) Hero is UTG+1 with T♦ T♥
1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, MP+1 3-bets to 1,135, 1 fold, BTN 4-bets to 1,715 (all-in), 2 players fold, Hero calls 1,415, MP+1 calls 580

Flop: (5,380) 6♣ T♣ J♠ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 2,690, Hero raises to 3,120 (all-in), MP+1 calls 430

Turn: (11,620) A♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (11,620) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 11,620

Showdown:
UTG+1 (Hero) shows T♦ T♥ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 88%, River: 100%)

MP+1 shows K♦ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

BU shows A♠ Q♥ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 23%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 11,620

Thanks for the class. Very technical and very well explained. This is a technique I learned late. It is certainly very valuable.

Originally Posted by johnnylawford

I like the idea of check-raise bluffing on coordinated flops when you have the range advantage. For instance, defending your big blind against a tight opponent and the flop is 876 or 995 check-raising any c-bet.

That's a nice idea, particularly the 876 -- on 995 he might call with hands like ace-high being suspicious that you would play 9X that fast. But I like this concept and I'm thinking we should make a future video or chapter on range advantages!

Originally Posted by lollipopas

Here's a hand I played recently that really was a turn in a freeroll I played where I ultimately got ITM. I think it counts. Really like sneaky sets


Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 50/100 (10 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 2,840 (28 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 4,845 (48 bb)
MP: 1,430 (14 bb)
MP+1: 6,865 (69 bb)
CO: 1,250 (13 bb)
BU: 1,725 (17 bb)
SB: 1,255 (13 bb)
BB: 816 (8 bb)

Pre-Flop: (235) Hero is UTG+1 with T♦ T♥
1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, MP+1 3-bets to 1,135, 1 fold, BTN 4-bets to 1,715 (all-in), 2 players fold, Hero calls 1,415, MP+1 calls 580

Flop: (5,380) 6♣ T♣ J♠ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 2,690, Hero raises to 3,120 (all-in), MP+1 calls 430

Turn: (11,620) A♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (11,620) 3♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 11,620

Showdown:
UTG+1 (Hero) shows T♦ T♥ (three of a kind, Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 87%, Turn: 88%, River: 100%)

MP+1 shows K♦ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

BU shows A♠ Q♥ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 23%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

UTG+1 (Hero) wins 11,620

Nice hand I would suggest shoving or folding pre-flop when the action gets back to you since 1700 is a high enough fraction of your stack that it commits you to the pot. But great flop check/raise!

Originally Posted by deyvsonflp

Thanks for the class. Very technical and very well explained. This is a technique I learned late. It is certainly very valuable.

Thanks Deyvsonflop!

I like this move, specially when you are playing in home games with friends. You can see the reaction, what don't happens on online poker. But almost always the villain spends a good time to react. And it's a good defense strategy against over aggressive players too.

Originally Posted by tagece

I like this move, specially when you are playing in home games with friends. You can see the reaction, what don't happens on online poker. But almost always the villain spends a good time to react. And it's a good defense strategy against over aggressive players too.

Haha that is true, doing in in home games often gets a strong reaction

Almost all the examples you guys gave were of the strongest draws (12+outs, overcards etc), but what about weaker draws like backdoor flush draws or gutshots? Are these also fairly good spots to check raise or should we look to play smaller pots given we have less chance of hitting our outs?

Really interesting topic, definitely one of the spiciest covered so far

Originally Posted by nwhitney118

Almost all the examples you guys gave were of the strongest draws (12+outs, overcards etc), but what about weaker draws like backdoor flush draws or gutshots? Are these also fairly good spots to check raise or should we look to play smaller pots given we have less chance of hitting our outs?

Really interesting topic, definitely one of the spiciest covered so far

The weaker a draw is, the more it moves along the sliding scale from semi-bluff to bluff. These are the kind of spots that can easily become very situational in poker, hence our decision not to include as many of them given that they are less transferable in general (and overall quite a bit less important than the more profitable check-raise spots with strong draws).

For example the backdoor draws, in order to check raise (instead of a default fold when not getting the correct odds to continue as would often be the case with the weak draws you mentioned), I would want to see that my opponent had a very high c-bet % as well as a high check-raise % over a significant sample. If I see that info and opt to check-raise, then that play is really more about exploiting my opponent's leaks than it is check-raising as a semi-bluff (having a shot at a draw is really just something extra to go along with what I essentially consider to be a bluff at that point).

In very general terms it will be unprofitable to default check-raise weak draws, so that should not be the norm--and why there weren't nearly as many examples of this as the profitable check-raises with strong draws that we sought to emphasize in this section. Hope this helps

Originally Posted by Katie Dozier

The weaker a draw is, the more it moves along the sliding scale from semi-bluff to bluff. These are the kind of spots that can easily become very situational in poker, hence our decision not to include as many of them given that they are less transferable in general (and overall quite a bit less important than the more profitable check-raise spots with strong draws).

For example the backdoor draws, in order to check raise (instead of a default fold when not getting the correct odds to continue as would often be the case with the weak draws you mentioned), I would want to see that my opponent had a very high c-bet % as well as a high check-raise % over a significant sample. If I see that info and opt to check-raise, then that play is really more about exploiting my opponent's leaks than it is check-raising as a semi-bluff (having a shot at a draw is really just something extra to go along with what I essentially consider to be a bluff at that point).

In very general terms it will be unprofitable to default check-raise weak draws, so that should not be the norm--and why there weren't nearly as many examples of this as the profitable check-raises with strong draws that we sought to emphasize in this section. Hope this helps

Yep that definitely makes a lot of sense, I had a feeling it'd be one of those sticky situations haha.

Originally Posted by nwhitney118

Yep that definitely makes a lot of sense, I had a feeling it'd be one of those sticky situations haha.

Glad it helped and I saw in another thread that you completed the course I believe? Well done!

Originally Posted by HunPokerRoll

For example the backdoor draws, in order to check raise (instead of a default fold when not getting the correct odds to continue as would often be the case with the weak draws you mentioned), I would want to see that my opponent had a very high c-bet % as well as a high check-raise % over a significant sample. If I see that info and opt to check-raise, then that play is really more about exploiting my opponent's leaks than it is check-raising as a semi-bluff (having a shot at a draw is really just something extra to go along with what I essentially consider to be a bluff at that point).

I probably wouldn’t be more inclined to make a light check-raise against an opponent who check-raises a lot themselves (and may therefore know there’s a real chance you’re bluffing), but I agree that seeing a high cbet % in our opponent makes this play a lot better. Nice comment!

Originally Posted by Collin Moshman

I probably wouldn’t be more inclined to make a light check-raise against an opponent who check-raises a lot themselves (and may therefore know there’s a real chance you’re bluffing), but I agree that seeing a high cbet % in our opponent makes this play a lot better. Nice comment!

Exactly. On the contrary we want to attack people, who rarely bluff themselfes, and who might think, we dont either. Its called "the mirror complex".

Honestly, this lesson was very interesting to me, I saw this lesson when I was scrolling through the list of courses at the very beginning of my training. And I was very intrigued. And just today I passed this lesson. Like you, Katie is my favorite strategy in poker. The strategy works perfectly with a high combination on the hand, and in a semi-bluff.
If you immediately raise the bet, you can scare off your opponents and get little money from the hand. And if you show a weakness in the form of a check, it provokes your opponents to take active actions. A lot of people can raise the bid a lot to get me out of the Bank. In this case, a big raise is made, and you can even bet all-in. Many competitors are dumbfounded by this move and do not know what to do next. Sometimes linking a large amount to the Bank encourages them to make a call. In this case, we get even more money from a high combination.
Thank you for the lesson!




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Well this is special to combat loose aggressive or maniacal players.
I have to practice it, the truth is I do not use this technique much.

Everything I learn'd 'till in this course really improved my game, but this one went beyond all my tactics in poker.

Collin, you gotta start this check-raise strategy man, Katia is just in the right way. I just put this in my game today and it went tremendous effective, I can now look forward for a big improve in my profits.