I am a player that does not say much at the table but why do people slow roll players when that have a monster hand. I get you can tilt the other player. I also get sometime there maybe a timing issue or you are on another table playing a hand out. But there are players who just love to do it all the time counting down to 1 second left on the clock and show the aces.

I just had it happen to me to end my tournament with a very good player who had to even use his time bank to count down to one second thinking should I call with my aces. My reaction to the slow roll. Oh well.

Yes, slowroll gone sour but straight flush? NH sir

Originally Posted by Luvepoker

I am a player that does not say much at the table but why do people slow roll players when that have a monster hand. I get you can tilt the other player. I also get sometime there maybe a timing issue or you are on another table playing a hand out. But there are players who just love to do it all the time counting down to 1 second left on the clock and show the aces.

I just had it happen to me to end my tournament with a very good player who had to even use his time bank to count down to one second thinking should I call with my aces. My reaction to the slow roll. Oh well.

By any chance was this close to the bubble or close to the next step in the pay ladder? Assuming your opponent was fairly shortstacked and only had you slightly covered, they may have been stalling in hopes that they could move up the pay ladder if you ended up cracking their aces.

Originally Posted by Luvepoker

I am a player that does not say much at the table but why do people slow roll players when that have a monster hand. I get you can tilt the other player. I also get sometime there maybe a timing issue or you are on another table playing a hand out. But there are players who just love to do it all the time counting down to 1 second left on the clock and show the aces.

I just had it happen to me to end my tournament with a very good player who had to even use his time bank to count down to one second thinking should I call with my aces. My reaction to the slow roll. Oh well.

why? Immaturity. Mentally unwell. Impaired by alcohol. Parents didn't love them.
... and the list goes on.

Some players who know each other will do it to each other.. 'for fun'.

Today I was in a tourney on 888, one player was really loose/bad, playing over 50% of hands, making many crazy bad calls, etc. and accumulating a big stack.
I got into a hand vs. them and had put in a large 3B preflop with a big pair (QQ) They called with J7o. and flopped trips. Because of stack depths I wasn't able to get away from my hand & also thinking I might be ahead still... I ended up getting it in on the turn. They timed down... hit their timer.... and continued to time down (they hit the 'J' for a boat on the turn). They clicked on their extra timer. Now I knew I was beat... I could just feel it coming.
And.. they call! Yup.. J7o.. turned boat. pfff.. whatever.

Oh wait!
River 'Q'... and I river a bigger boat FTW!!!

A few players on the table cheered in the chat box. I had villain covered (barely) & he was OUT!
slowroll karma

each one has their own way of playing, but of course it bothers them a long time to respond when they have a card bomb, but each one has their own game, we shouldn't be bothered by that, we should calm down and be calm to give our best Always with heads, many of the poker players use these strategies to imply that their opponent does not have a good hand, we must have information about your rival to take advantage of that.

Originally Posted by PrinceJigger

By any chance was this close to the bubble or close to the next step in the pay ladder? Assuming your opponent was fairly shortstacked and only had you slightly covered, they may have been stalling in hopes that they could move up the pay ladder if you ended up cracking their aces.

That I could have understood if it were the case. We were nowhere near the money bubble and he was the chip leader at the time. My push was a short stack push into him.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

why? Immaturity. Mentally unwell. Impaired by alcohol. Parents didn't love them.
... and the list goes on.

Some players who know each other will do it to each other.. 'for fun'.

Today I was in a tourney on 888, one player was really loose/bad, playing over 50% of hands, making many crazy bad calls, etc. and accumulating a big stack.
I got into a hand vs. them and had put in a large 3B preflop with a big pair (QQ) They called with J7o. and flopped trips. Because of stack depths I wasn't able to get away from my hand & also thinking I might be ahead still... I ended up getting it in on the turn. They timed down... hit their timer.... and continued to time down (they hit the 'J' for a boat on the turn). They clicked on their extra timer. Now I knew I was beat... I could just feel it coming.
And.. they call! Yup.. J7o.. turned boat. pfff.. whatever.

Oh wait!
River 'Q'... and I river a bigger boat FTW!!!

A few players on the table cheered in the chat box. I had villain covered (barely) & he was OUT!
slowroll karma

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Well said mate. That is kinda my thought to be honest. Love the karma you had on that other guy. I may not get upset when someone slow rolls me but I do have pleasure when they get a bad beat when they do.

many people take their time with either hand. You don't have to have an AA to do this. It's just that while you're waiting, someone has already left. Sometimes it is profitable. Especially if there are many participants in MTT

I see slowrolling as simply an element of the game grouped in with psychology, I don’t see it as direct as trying to get people to outright tilt, but rather perhaps make opponents second guess their aggressiveness or perhaps entice their aggressiveness. Adjusting speed of play can make others second guess their rythum once comfortable.even a few seconds of trickery could alter their “zone”.
I myself do not slow roll to be a jerk, or (be unsportsmanlike<—-if that’s even a reality when it comes to playing for real money lol. These people want every cent you have, they are not your “friends” and will gladly take it any chance they can. I myself am not a “nice” guy when I play, but I am never ever rude,... but when we are playing for real money, I am there to win money..not be looked at as an awesome dude. Lol I however am never a complete jerk, I am just competitive..I want to win.


I talk and am friendly after the game

So, to me slowrolling is just an element of the game and really takes a per game, per table image of players, per past experiences with those players, per position of player next to type of player etc to really see what is going on with a slowroll.

I would never slowroll unless I had a real reason to do it, even if I somehow wanted to deep down do it to be a jerk(for some reason or another at time)..I just wouldn’t as it’s not part of my goal in the game to win ...and get no satisfaction or see a point in deviating from the goal of winning money by slowrolling (just to slowroll)

I guess slow-rolling makes opponents thinking that they have a marginal hand and consider their actions. When I have a premium hand, I will don't push or make my action too fast, just think about 5-10s before making an action. I only slow roll when the tour is on the bubble or on a high pay jump.

easy, because you shouldn't play a hand the same way all the time. the easier thing in poker is to play against players that only raise strong hands. easy fold and easy to bluff.

As usual, many in here don't understand what a 'slowroll' is. We're not talking about 'SLOWPLAYING'... or "playing slowly'. This is a different thing here... 'SLowroll'. Try Google Search. Or... read my other post above where I describe getting 'slowrolled' by another player (he turns a fullhouse... HE KNOWS he has the best hand. I PUT all of my chips in the middle.... he doesn't call right away... He is the only other player in the hand. He times down 'as if' (pretending) he can't decide if he should call or not.. BUT he KNOWS he has 100% the best hand.... & yet he still stalls.... & then stalls some more (he is hoping you are thinking his hand is weak.... so that you will believe that you are about to win the hand)..
He then hits his extra timer and allows that to 'almost' expire. Then he calls... WITH THE NUTS!!! (because he thinks this is funny).

Now do you understand?
As mentioned by another member above .. 'it's a dick move'.

This is certainly annoying, but there are much more important things that are worth spending your thoughts and your time on. Every time you get out of balance remember what it means your opponent has achieved what you want.

Some people just like to keep you in suspense and get your goad. I think it's a control issue.

I majorly slow rolled once, years ago, when I was trying to win a ticket into a million dollar tournament. I did just as you described, counted down to the last second on every hand. Pissed a lot of players off. They didn't realize we weren't in competition with each other. We were in competition with the other tables.

I outlasted the competition on the other tables and won the entry into the tournament, but shortly afterwards I was contacted by the site management and given a warning because so many players complained about me. I just told them I was having internet problems and apologized.

Then a few days later I came across another player in a game and he thanked me. He said if it weren't for me he wouldn't have made it past the bubble and gotten his entry into the tournament either. That made me feel a little better, kind of like I wasn't doing it just for myself.

I slow roll occasionally now, but nothing major. Only add a few seconds to my responses. Not enough to become a nuisance. Usually when I'm short stacked and climbing the ladder for payouts in MTTs.

People do lots of strange things at the tables. It doesn’t bother me at all. If someone slowroll nuted hand I mark this player and move to another game. It’s little bit annoying, but what can you do. Less you annoyed are, better you can play another game.

I think a slowroll during live play has a much greater effect than for online play. It’s very clear what’s happening in a live tourney, not so much when online and what the reason is, as mentioned previously it could just be slow play. Either way, such tactics should be negated by your ability to not let it affect you.

Actually, I don't really care about sloww roll, I always try to make sure it doesn't affect me ... Especially in tournaments where the bubble is about to burst (when this is most commonly).

It is advisable to treat others as you want to be treated. Do not scoff at anyone, try to offend or humiliate. Therefore, it is not necessary to go down to the level of prowler and pay them with the same coin. But occasionally, a slowall is appropriate, usually when the players are familiar and are ready to pose for each other in this way.

I would do it only against a friend of mine or in general against someone who does know me well in order to tease him . Against an unknown player I find it such a stupid move especially nowhere near bubble etc.

I don't care about that. Everyone is equal, everyone has their own time which is given to them by the rules. And let them use it as they want. This shouldn't bother you, unless you're in titlt.

Originally Posted by Luvepoker

I am a player that does not say much at the table but why do people slow roll players when that have a monster hand. I get you can tilt the other player. I also get sometime there maybe a timing issue or you are on another table playing a hand out. But there are players who just love to do it all the time counting down to 1 second left on the clock and show the aces.

I just had it happen to me to end my tournament with a very good player who had to even use his time bank to count down to one second thinking should I call with my aces. My reaction to the slow roll. Oh well.

Honestly, one million times i lose game with monster cards. That's why i am never playing agresively. Even with AA i will see what's going on at table then raise, but sometimes i love to fish those people who raise all the time. That make me so fking happy...

Originally Posted by Hsac

Some people just like to keep you in suspense and get your goad. I think it's a control issue.

I majorly slow rolled once, years ago, when I was trying to win a ticket into a million dollar tournament. I did just as you described, counted down to the last second on every hand. Pissed a lot of players off. They didn't realize we weren't in competition with each other. We were in competition with the other tables.

I outlasted the competition on the other tables and won the entry into the tournament, but shortly afterwards I was contacted by the site management and given a warning because so many players complained about me. I just told them I was having internet problems and apologized.

Then a few days later I came across another player in a game and he thanked me. He said if it weren't for me he wouldn't have made it past the bubble and gotten his entry into the tournament either. That made me feel a little better, kind of like I wasn't doing it just for myself.

I slow roll occasionally now, but nothing major. Only add a few seconds to my responses. Not enough to become a nuisance. Usually when I'm short stacked and climbing the ladder for payouts in MTTs.

This ^ is not 'slowrolling'. What you have described is 'playing slowly'... or 'timebanking'. It is far different from 'slowrolling'. (if you want to know what slowrolling is, read my post above your's)

Originally Posted by Transcendence

I don't care about that. Everyone is equal, everyone has their own time which is given to them by the rules. And let them use it as they want. This shouldn't bother you, unless you're in titlt.

Ok then. I will add you to my 'Slowroll List'. If I'm able to slowroll you someday on the tables, let me know if you're still feeling the same way about it.

I think they do it to try to despair the villains thinking that he is not attentive to the table and the game, so that we raise him with the idea of ​​making him go or put away and in those cases take advantage of a good hand from them and try to get us out of the tournament or as many chips as possible.

I think it's because they are expecting the opponent to bluff.. I've done this few times, but i soon realized it's not good, at least not against weak opponents.. if you bet they tend to call with low pairs like 2 or 3 until the river, no matter how big you bet.. in one way is good cuz you can increase your stack considerably, but I stopped keeping track on how many times my AA KK QQ became worthless against low sets like 222 333, or even two pairs that showed up on the river

OMG people SLOW ROLLING is not SLOW PLAYING. slow rolling is best described as when you have the nutz you absolutely know you are going to win the hand and you let the clock tick down for the dramatic effect. It is a very douchebag move. If you do it at a live table most of the players will call you a douche.

Slow rolling is a waste of clock time. Just get on with your gameplay. I don't see the point and ultimate benefit of this action.
I put this in the same bin as those who take an over exaggerated time to fold. No intention of continuing to play, then just get out.

in my opinion, waiting until the last second is stupid. there are of course situations where you need to wait some time before making a decision but do not abuse it so much.

They probably do it to try and tilt other players.

It is definitely a good strategy to use from time to time, although the abuser bores everyone

ONCE AGAIN SLOW ROLLING IS NOT SLOW PLAYING. Slow playing is using the entire clock no matter what your action is going to be. Slow rolling is knowing positively that you have the other player beat and there is no way he can win and you let the clock roll down just for the drama.

Originally Posted by Chaskyweed05

It is definitely a good strategy to use from time to time, although the abuser bores everyone

Slow playing is a strategy slow rolling is a violation of poker etiquette.

Because it's funny to slow roll when you have the best hand. The look on your opponents when they see your hand is priceless.

By show of hands, who here still doesn't know the difference between SLOWROLLING and slow-playing?

From the looks of these posts, besides the ones that explaing the difference noone is either, 1) not reading the posts before posting, or 2) not comprehending what they are reading in the explanations.

SLOWROLLING: To use much more time needed to make a call when you have the nuts. Turning a snap-call into a time-bank call when not needed.

I have done this quite a few times in my online career but usually by accident when playing quite a few tables and it takes a while to get cycled back to the table to make the call. Purposely I have done it a very limited number of times, and ONLY to players that have slow-rolled me in the past.

SLOW-PLAYING: Using your time bank and extra time to make a decision or try to backdoor your way into a satellite seat or the money in a regular tournament. Can be used to try and fool your opponent into thinking you have nothing or something or however you want to try and use it to your advantage.

Originally Posted by Pokerstudy

I see slowrolling as simply an element of the game grouped in with psychology, I don’t see it as direct as trying to get people to outright tilt, but rather perhaps make opponents second guess their aggressiveness or perhaps entice their aggressiveness. Adjusting speed of play can make others second guess their rythum once comfortable.even a few seconds of trickery could alter their “zone”.
I myself do not slow roll to be a jerk, or (be unsportsmanlike<—-if that’s even a reality when it comes to playing for real money lol. These people want every cent you have, they are not your “friends” and will gladly take it any chance they can. I myself am not a “nice” guy when I play, but I am never ever rude,... but when we are playing for real money, I am there to win money..not be looked at as an awesome dude. Lol I however am never a complete jerk, I am just competitive..I want to win.


I talk and am friendly after the game

So, to me slowrolling is just an element of the game and really takes a per game, per table image of players, per past experiences with those players, per position of player next to type of player etc to really see what is going on with a slowroll.

I would never slowroll unless I had a real reason to do it, even if I somehow wanted to deep down do it to be a jerk(for some reason or another at time)..I just wouldn’t as it’s not part of my goal in the game to win ...and get no satisfaction or see a point in deviating from the goal of winning money by slowrolling (just to slowroll)

I think you yourself have the definition of slowrolling and slow-playing mixed up. Read any of the posts in here to see the difference between the two.

Originally Posted by HerbPuffer

I think you yourself have the definition of slowrolling and slow-playing mixed up. Read any of the posts in here to see the difference between the two.

I know what slowrolling is. And yes I do see that ”added time“ no matter how you use it is an added psychology tactic. It’s not something (slowrolling) I would do but rarely..and if I have an edge somehow within the game to use it I will. I am not going to take it (slowrolling) out of the toolbox if it has a purpose, and in rare circumstances slowrolling does have a purpose.

Just look how tilted people get talking about it here, there could be a table that gets titled to your advantage to use it. If your not prepared for a slow roll in any game, you need to adjust your own game.

Originally Posted by mountainfox

Because it's funny to slow roll when you have the best hand. The look on your opponents when they see your hand is priceless.

Do you play much live poker? Most people view slow rolling as a real douchebag move.

Originally Posted by roger perkins

Do you play much live poker? Most people view slow rolling as a real douchebag move.

I would never slow roll with gentlemen, ever...period. BUT if I am in a game of jerks, I won't only slowroll..I will slowroll and more...id take out my wallet and find my help "card" that shows the best hands to win at poker... and ponder like a complete idiot if a full house is a good hand or not... before putting cards down

Originally Posted by Pokerstudy

Just look how tilted people get talking about it here,.

I suppose if you call that 'tilting' I'd suggest it would be closer to 'annoyed', &/or 'in disbelief' by the lack of understanding &/or the inability to read through the thread when the answers are right there for them to learn from in black & white.

Slow rollers are always people who want to have power, even for a fleeting moment. The whole world has to wait on them, and they have the winning hand. they are the scum of the poker, and real world.

I think this is a lack of ethics, every player who practices slow roll has to take a bad beat the rest of his life kakakakakaka

You can’t put any type of play as a definitive in poker, it’s like saying I will only do this with this hand or only do this with another. The game is not based on rules and methods, just decisions as you play. Having a definitive decision to never ever slow roll is asinine. It’s like saying I will never play 72 offsuit even though I get the right odds to call heads up. There are times when slowrolling works..it has to be strategic though in reasoning. If Poker has taught anyone anything, it’s that there is no definitive rules for card play tactics in this game, just decisions per hand, per game.

And in the case of slowrolling it’s table image vs players vs fold equity of tilt..vs more per game. It’s never an ego power move on my part. It’s like steering a sheep of jerks.. or starting a wave in the stands at a stadium to play along and be entranced lol.

Again, would never slow roll with gentlemen, just jerks.

i dont know if this is considered slow roll but for example if i have ace high flush on first flop i check to reel players to bet and check till last call then raise trying to get as much wining as i can rather than raise 1st time and them folding

Originally Posted by leoronin

i dont know if this is considered slow roll but for example if i have ace high flush on first flop i check to reel players to bet and check till last call then raise trying to get as much wining as i can rather than raise 1st time and them folding

No that is playing the hand for maximum value.

Hate people who Slowroll, if you obviously have the winning hand, just call straight away, if it's marginal, then by all means take your time!

Slow play does it pay, you have players that use clock to make the cut. Then their are players that try to discourage you into playing to their hand and you end up losing your hand and a chunk of your stake by using their time/clock. Most of the players like my self use time management when playing for example if you are stacked I will check quickly and if I have a small stack I will slow play. Patience is a virtue pun intended, I mix up my play as to not give any easy identifier as to what I am doing all with my timing like a mouse trap. It works for me and the other players are never sure and then they will respect my play. All the time in the world. Capo1014

In high stakes online Poker it seems to happen on every single hand. So the pros are using the thinking time and reducing timing tells.

Back in the real world, it's done for many of the reasons mentioned; to provoke tilt, to gloat, to show superiority etc.

GG Poker actually has a card peel/slow roll feature on the river...it's the single most infruiating feature I've seen on any site which means they got it right!

If he has it on the river ,yes , it's clearly annoying ,it's like he says '' I want to irritate you or I thonk you are stupid '' , very disrespecting . If he does it many times , no excuse for him , like multitabling , or doing sth else at the same time .

But if it's on the flop , turn , taking his time , as if he wants you to think that he has to make a decision , or play with the timebenk for RNG reasons , ofcourse it might be a way to mislead your decisions , it's part of strategy/game , no offence , he might want to give you false impression for his holding or sth like this

Originally Posted by roger perkins

OMG people SLOW ROLLING is not SLOW PLAYING. slow rolling is best described as when you have the nutz you absolutely know you are going to win the hand and you let the clock tick down for the dramatic effect. It is a very douchebag move. If you do it at a live table most of the players will call you a douche.

Originally Posted by roger perkins

ONCE AGAIN SLOW ROLLING IS NOT SLOW PLAYING. Slow playing is using the entire clock no matter what your action is going to be. Slow rolling is knowing positively that you have the other player beat and there is no way he can win and you let the clock roll down just for the drama.

Originally Posted by roger perkins

Slow playing is a strategy slow rolling is a violation of poker etiquette.

Originally Posted by sn0112

In high stakes online Poker it seems to happen on every single hand. So the pros are using the thinking time and reducing timing tells.

Back in the real world, it's done for many of the reasons mentioned; to provoke tilt, to gloat, to show superiority etc.

GG Poker actually has a card peel/slow roll feature on the river...it's the single most infruiating feature I've seen on any site which means they got it right!

Read above.

Each player has the right to use any actions within the framework of the tournament regulations.
In addition, not all sit at the screen all the time, many at the same time do something outside the game.