When you can "live with" losing

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danvanan

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Let's face it - we all hate losing, especially on or near the bubble. But is there such a thing as a "good beat?" Last night, I was at the final table of a 45-player SNG (top 6 paid) when this happened:

full tilt poker Game #6909150627: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (52505613), Table 1 - 400/800 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:11:31 ET - 2008/06/21
Seat 1: dizbmikuni (9,220)
Seat 2: groovejockey (8,923)
Seat 4: bammer25 (3,978)
Seat 5: danvanan (5,520)
Seat 6: Finisher1367 (13,410)
Seat 7: kendawg10 (18,984)
Seat 8: cheesy bread (1,805)
Seat 9: mudnot905 (5,660)
mudnot905 posts the small blind of 400
dizbmikuni posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to danvanan [4d 4h]
groovejockey calls 800
bammer25 has 15 seconds left to act
bammer25 folds
danvanan calls 800
Finisher1367 folds
kendawg10 calls 800
cheesy bread folds
mudnot905 calls 400
dizbmikuni checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Jh Ah]
mudnot905 checks
dizbmikuni checks
groovejockey bets 800
danvanan raises to 3,200
kendawg10 folds
mudnot905 folds
dizbmikuni folds
groovejockey calls 2,400
*** TURN *** [4c Jh Ah] [5c]
groovejockey bets 800
danvanan raises to 1,520, and is all in
groovejockey calls 720
danvanan shows [4d 4h]
groovejockey shows [Js Jc]
*** RIVER *** [4c Jh Ah 5c] [6h]
danvanan shows three of a kind, Fours
groovejockey shows three of a kind, Jacks
groovejockey wins the pot (13,440) with three of a kind, Jacks
danvanan stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13,440 | Rake 0
Board: [4c Jh Ah 5c 6h]
Seat 1: dizbmikuni (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: groovejockey showed [Js Jc] and won (13,440) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: bammer25 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: danvanan showed [4d 4h] and lost with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: Finisher1367 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: kendawg10 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: cheesy bread (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: mudnot905 (small blind) folded on the Flop

I bet big after the flop after seeing the flush draw, and figured I still was okay after the turn. I felt great about getting all my money in on this one. When groovejockey flipped over JJs, sure I was upset - but I also had to respect the fact that I was beaten by a better hand.

In thinking about this hand, I also wonder if there was any way to get away from this, post-flop, considering the chip situation. Would any of you have backed off after the opponenent's post-flop call?
 
bob_tiger

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this hand what you would call a cooler there is a word for "good beats too" and actually i dont think i could of got away after flop just because of how small % are that the other player has a higher set but it obviously happens sometimes and maybe if this was live and I had a very good read, possibly.
 
burton_boy

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Like Bob said. Set over set will often cause you to lose you stack. It looks like you played the hand right, got in cheap, hit your set, got your chips in, just happened to run into a higher set.
And post flop you were committed so no I wouldn't have backed off.
Well played just unlucky.
 
momoney2

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With such a small stack in comparison to the blinds (4.6 M) your preflop decisions should have been down to all-in or fold.
So here are the two most "likely" outcomes:
  1. You would have gone all-in pre-flop and lost to a bigger set (COOLER); or
  2. You would have folded your small pocket pair. Saw what looked like a great flop. Regretted not getting your money in on that hand. Saw the hand end without a showdown. Then gone on TILT because you were pissed that you should have doubled up that hand. Because of your frustration, you would have pushed all-in the next hand with 72o and got 3 callers. Made quad 7's. Hit a heater, and gone on to win the SnG.
See you should have folded pre-flop. LOL :p
 
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With such a small stack in comparison to the blinds (4.6 M) your preflop decisions should have been down to all-in or fold.
So here are the two most "likely" outcomes:
  1. You would have gone all-in pre-flop and lost to a bigger set (COOLER); or
  2. You would have folded your small pocket pair. Saw what looked like a great flop. Regretted not getting your money in on that hand. Saw the hand end without a showdown. Then gone on TILT because you were pissed that you should have doubled up that hand. Because of your frustration, you would have pushed all-in the next hand with 72o and got 3 callers. Made quad 7's. Hit a heater, and gone on to win the SnG.
See you should have folded pre-flop. LOL :p

choice 2 please
 
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Geting away from the hand postflop is imposible imo.
I thing its more about the prf decison,your M is geting low and u need to make a move soon and double up so a case got be maked for pushing here instead of the limp.
I might also exually consider folding this with the blinds at this level.
 
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danvanan

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Thanks for all the responses. I suppose I might have folded in that situation, but with a limper in front of me, it seemed like the perfect situation to see a flop and maybe hit a big hand with trips. I'm not sure I would have shoved with 44 at that point, as I wasn't the first one into the pot, and would likely have been called. With 2 or 3 M, I would probably go all-in with that hand, but here I felt I could last one or two more orbits waiting for a better opportunity.

Just to show how luck evens out, here's a similar hand that happened in another SNG I just played (took first in this one):

Full Tilt poker game #6914989710: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (52557891), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:26:50 ET - 2008/06/21
Seat 1: seki2001 (3,520)
Seat 2: bamnet (1,990)
Seat 3: crazyroc (1,395)
Seat 4: DARTHP (1,490)
Seat 5: danvanan (1,335)
Seat 7: Kabodog (770)
Seat 8: MARIEEVE81 x (1,465)
Seat 9: TakeMoney101 (1,535)
Kabodog posts the small blind of 20
MARIEEVE81 x posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to danvanan [Kh Kc]
TakeMoney101 folds
seki2001 folds
bamnet folds
crazyroc folds
DARTHP calls 40
danvanan raises to 120
Kabodog calls 100
MARIEEVE81 x folds
DARTHP calls 80
*** FLOP *** [5c Qh Kd]
Kabodog checks
DARTHP checks
danvanan checks
*** TURN *** [5c Qh Kd] [3s]
Kabodog has 15 seconds left to act
Kabodog bets 400
DARTHP folds
danvanan raises to 800
Kabodog calls 250, and is all in
danvanan shows [Kh Kc]
Kabodog shows [5h 5s]
Uncalled bet of 150 returned to danvanan
*** RIVER *** [5c Qh Kd 3s] [2h]
danvanan shows three of a kind, Kings
Kabodog shows three of a kind, Fives
danvanan wins the pot (1,700) with three of a kind, Kings
Kabodog stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,700 | Rake 0
Board: [5c Qh Kd 3s 2h]
Seat 1: seki2001 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: bamnet didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: crazyroc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: DARTHP folded on the Turn
Seat 5: danvanan (button) showed [Kh Kc] and won (1,700) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 7: Kabodog (small blind) showed [5h 5s] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 8: MARIEEVE81 x (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: TakeMoney101 didn't bet (folded)
 
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Dayne G.

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Every bad-beat is a good-beat, long-term!!!
 
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I really never get upset when I lose, normally it's my fault for the loss.
But, if someone hits on the river that does tend to aggravate me a little bit, won't lie.
 
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Inscore77

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Dont most pros say that you're stupid if you think somebody else has a higher set?
 
momoney2

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Dont most pros say that you're stupid if you think somebody else has a higher set?

I think the common thought is you are supposed to go broke in a set over set situation. The only reason you play a small pair is to hit a set, and take all your opponents' chips. So if you do hit that set and fold, then why the hell were you in there in the first place?

BTW, my wife folded a small set in an MTT where I was dealing one of the other tables, when the flop came something like A83 rainbow. Her opponent went all-in, and told her, "I have you covered." She thought that meant he was trying to tell her he had a better hand than she did. My guess was he had something like AK, while she had a set of 3's. :eek:
She went out of the tourney a couple rounds later, and told me about the hand.
I just shook my head and said, "You never fold a set. If he's got you beat, you're supposed to go broke."
I hope she will remember that lesson for a long time to come.
 
S93

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Dont most pros say that you're stupid if you think somebody else has a higher set?
Only time i could fold a set if there where 4to a flush on the board but then u stil have so many outs......
 
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