What happen to folding a pair it seems now almost at any stage of a tourney, people call off or shove there whole stack with any pair.
When did this become a thing ??

Degradation is a real thing, mate.
As easier to play as better for most

I think the ranges have changed a bit for what people are willing to jam with and still have a larger stack. Flipping for a stack isn't nearly as uncommon as it used to be.

Any pair has a 51% to win before preflop. S-o if YOU dont know-how to play after flop YOU go all in before.calculator odds fold

I think its only at the low stakes or freerolls that you get those. A lot of guys gets eliminated this way. Even me with AA today.

Originally Posted by schtiuky

Any pair has a 51% to win before preflop. S-o if YOU dont know-how to play after flop YOU go all in before.calculator odds fold

or you get 80-20 dominated by bigger pair

Originally Posted by schtiuky

Any pair has a 51% to win before preflop. S-o if YOU dont know-how to play after flop YOU go all in before.calculator odds fold

I think there's something in this that. In some situations where it's marginal to play either raise or shove, a player with weaker postflop skills may feel more confident just rolling the dice on a low pair. Indeed, many threads on this forum see players expressing problems playing lower pairs, so I can see why this appeals.

It is essential though to understand that in a great deal of situations, you will end up in a situation where you'll force a fold of weaker hands and only get called by better, which of course is exactly what you don't want.

Jamming any pocket pair used to be a tactic used by people that bought in to cash games with 20BB
I don't think many poker rooms even off 20BB buy-ins any more
In tournaments there are a lot of spots where open-shoving any pair is proper play.

The game is becoming more aggressive, and the best way to pressure is probably all-in, which is probably why players with not very strong hands are more often faced.

I was just wondering the same thing. It used to be face cards were an early push, but now it seems any pair is good enough. Should be easy to pick up chips early on, but the bad beats are really painful.. Nothing like losing with aces to pocket fours in the first level!

You didnt get the memo?

Originally Posted by supernuts25

What happen to folding a pair it seems now almost at any stage of a tourney, people call off or shove there whole stack with any pair.
When did this become a thing ??

It depends how you feel

Any pair is a shove for those who: 1) don't like to think, or 2) those who put their fate in the poker god's hand. Of course, my last tourney,KK pocket lost to a suck-out straight run-out, nothing more than luck on opponents side, that's the way it goes, life goes on, post suck-out.

Originally Posted by supernuts25

What happen to folding a pair it seems now almost at any stage of a tourney, people call off or shove there whole stack with any pair.
When did this become a thing ??

"their whole stack" means nothing without knowing the blinds.

there are going to be situations where, depending on blinds, going all in with a pair is going to be the best option, a bad option, or somewhere in between.

I’m some cases It’s GTO. If a HJ opens with a min raise and you have 8s in the big blind, that’s a standard jam for 20 BBs.

When the stacks are medium sized, to small to give you good implied odds and too large to shove its often best to fold them.

Originally Posted by supernuts25

What happen to folding a pair it seems now almost at any stage of a tourney, people call off or shove there whole stack with any pair.
When did this become a thing ??

Sorry I should have been more specific, I mean 50bb plus. It can even be raise and reraised and I see so many people jamming so much with hands your almost always beat.
Even late in tourneys it just seems crazy.
But seems lately to be happening often I folded bigger pairs giving way to much credit I guess

I noticed that too, especially from the small blind.

Most of the players with lower BBs shove their stacks with any pair.

In a high stakes tournament you rarely see anything like that.

Hi.
I think that players who follow these principles of the game will never be able to make a profit in the long run. In essence, these are bingo players.
Good luck.

At least it was a pair I´ve lately seen some all-ins with cards like 10 and 6, not short stacked players, just believing in some high entities still cant process how many times it worked for them

Who wouldn't like flipping coins
But really it depends a lot what you are playing normal, turbo/hyper, deep, ko... and stage of tourny.

From Chapter 11 of my forthcoming book: PAIRS SUCK

Unfortunately, we will play with nothing more than a pair a large percentage of the time, so we had better get good at it. We will win a bunch of hands with a pair and we will lose a bunch of hands with a pair. The trick in a tournament is to not overplay them. That is how you get busted in a tournament. Sets and 2 pair hands are completely transparent to us, so we should not be surprised if we run into one of these hands with a pair. With 2 players, a pair is the best hand no more than ~42% of the time.

There are times when shoving with a pair, either pre-flop or a pair on the flop, is a good play, but do not expect to survive with this as your only play.

Good luck and God bless.

Shove all pairs in a row is stupid weak pairs need to be played through the check count exception only if you have a very short stack, Alyn only AA and KK remaining pairs through the raise this is my personal opinion.

It's simply not true that pairs are instant all-in pre-flop. It's simply not true.

There are cases when shoving deuces are completely legitimate and necessary move. People do that sometimes. But, yeah, people are able to fold even TT, so your statement do not correspond with actual facts.

i guess, when you got only 7 bb or less

If you are short stack it is completely ok to shove even with low pair especially from late position and without much action before you. Shoving with 50BB and something like 66 or 77 though is something that is completely illogical to me but happens more and more frequently nowadays.

i think a lot of the all-in's are made because the buy-in size is small or free.Another thing is the number of players rising which means a lot of new players that play by their own style .

Originally Posted by 007Leon

i guess, when you got only 7 bb or less

This is pretty darn true, barring some unusual circumstances

It's just that recently an influx of new players has come from the casino. These players are used to risking everything and going all-in with any pair. (either yes or no, there are only 2 options). And for this you do not need to study anything with enough minimal knowledge.

I think that the fact that there are many more players makes them expand the possibility and types of bets, so now there are many more people who risk everything with any pair to be recreational, or not mind leaving the tournament.

Playing tilted I'm also causes this, guilty lol

Pair of aces and pair of kings in hand is everything, before the flop, hahahahahahaha that's the way I play it like this, I don't raise 3 blinds or 4 bet everything in first position, so that tragedies or bad bets don't happen. my favorite pocket pair is pocket 7.

If you lose, don't bother, understand that you gave your best ...