This is a discussion on what makes a grinder a grinder? within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Is it one big bet per hour?
Is it having a expected hourly win rate
How do you define a grinder what makes u one?
I think of a grinder as a player who--1) puts in great volume, 2) has a positive win rate, 3) thinks systematically about the game and tries to improve as they play, 4) plays within their bankroll.
Grinders rarely "take shots" and money does not come pouring on them, but nor do they lose it easily. They accumulate capital slowly, but steadily and securely.
This is almost exacly how I would discribe a grinder.. The big thing I feel in this is Grinders rarely take shots because grinders don't take alot of risks. Grinders look for maximum gain for the least amount of risk...
I see a grinder as someone who (1) understands probability and (2) plays a lot of hands and who uses those two characteristics to grind out a profit. A grinder is not looking for "one big hand". He is utilizing every 1-2% advantage (taking the rake into consideration, of course) he can find to turn a profit over time. I am not a grinder but I admire what they are able to do.
the last world series say it all he was one foot out of the door then he become the chip leader then become short stacked again till he joined the final table of the series then he became the chip leader of the final table btu he lost after he put his 60 mil chips all in with 33 aganest A9
to me a grinder is just someone who plays an awful lot of poker. Did you mean what makes an expert? I wrote an article about it. mods, if the link is not allowed let me know and I'll post some of the contents here instead.
Actually, you can find grinders in almost all types of poker in the lower and middle limits. You typically don't find a "grinder" per se at the nosebleed stakes. Most grinders will multi-table to the tune of eight or more simultaneous tables, oftentimes of identical game types and limits. For instance, a Sit and Go grinder might play eight tables at a time of $25 turbo 9-person Sit and Goes. Considering that 10% (after rake) is a great ROI for a Sit and Go player, that means that the player is only making $2.50 per sit and go. But if they can squeeze in 20 sit and goes in an hour, then they're "grinding" a $50 per hour win rate. By contrast, if that same player decided to go play a $200 Sit and Go, then they're now "off their grind" and taking a "shot" at a higher game. You Should Also Know...
While some grinders do play almost exclusively large, multi-table tournaments, these people are a very rare breed. The goal in a large tournament is to make a big score, to win a sum of money that can sustain you until the next sizeable take. Some people are able to win small to medium prizes on a fairly consistent basis, but in general, grinders don't specialize in multi-table tournaments because luck can swing one's results too quickly in them and they take too long to make smaller wins worth the time.
Additionally, online players can earn rakeback to increase their hourly rate, and some online poker rooms only offer rakeback for cash games.
I agree with BoltPoker and add to that staying up 24/7 for several days in a row, not caring about meals other than an occasional opened can of food at meal times to scoff quickly on breaks oh yeah and the zombie thing is perfect because you block out everything and everyone around you while in the all consuming zone
I feel a grinder is a player who understands that solid play + volume > short term variance.
He just keeps putting in hour after hour, day after day, month after month until he looks up at the end of the year and sees a significant profit.
Originally Posted by dwolfg
A grinder is one who uses the fundamentals and the math of the game to win over the deep and complex plays that others employ.
These two comments are the best definitions of a grinder to me. Understanding the math and playing solid poker according to the math will always win in the long run regardless of the short term results. I like these two mostly.