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i have been playing on line for some time now and want to take my chances at a real time game. Does anyone have any advice on how to make the transition smoothly. i have never played real time before not even a home game.
 
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Few things, firstly relax and enjoy it, I was nervous as hell my first time, which turned my normal tight style into super tight, since then i've been alot more comfortable.

Don't spend what your not prepared to lose.

Verbally announce any raise and clearly state the amount.

finally don't forget to post your blinds.
 
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Make sure you raise, bet, fold, and check in turn. Online it is easy to wait for your turn becuase the computer makes you wait. You have to pay more attention in live games. Don't be afraid to let everyone know you are new to live action, they may think you are a fish and you can take advantage of that.
 
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thanks guys so how nervous were u i dont even know what color chip is what amount do they tell you this or r u expected to know??? r they helpfull to virgin players????
 
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The chip values will be on the chips and they are usually pretty distinctively colored so there is no really confusing them I am color blind so that is an issue for me at times. I played live poker long before online. But going to a casino/playing in tournaments I was still very nervous. I just made sure everyone at the table knew I was noobie and they were very nice about my rookie mistakes.
 
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If it's an amount you would spend on line just remember that... you would spend the same amount on line, and don't be affraid just because you're live. As for chip amounts, depends on if it's home or in a casino. Home games, a lot of times no. If the host is hosting propperly, they will have a list posted for all to see as to which colors equal which amount. In a casio, sometimes they are marked. I say sometimes because I played in a MTT at the Excaliber in Vegas and it was such a cheap buy-in I guess we got the cheap chips... they weren't marked. The dealer stated what was what before the game started.

Most of all, relax, it's just a game... sorta' :-D As long as it's money you can lose, then just look at it as a good time. Also, you could try to teach yourself something new while you're playing. Weather it be learning the person to your right and left's playing habits, or whatever. I am trying to learn to shuffle the chips, so since I was at a real casino with real chips I was tinkering with that and it took my mind off the newness of a live game.
 
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if its a home game they will tell you what the chips are worth and if its a casino it should say on them (as steveg said). other than that just make sure you know the rules for betting. this seems simple but online really spoon feeds you this stuff so it can be easy to get confused playing live.
also, you need to be careful that you dont react to your cards or give other tells. you dont have to worry about this online but if you are playing with experienced live players they will be looking for this sort of thing.
 
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Oh, probably more for a casino than live, if you win (apparently) you must show both cards. I won a hand with trip Q's, the loser showed and I tossed my winning cards on the table. When I did the blank flipped face down and the Q was up. I didn't think anything of it since my trip was showing the winning hand. The dealer just looked at me for a few seconds until someone told me I must flip over both cards or it could be considered I'm showing 1 card of a mucked hand.
 
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wow thanks great tips i still havent gotten the nerve to go play live yet but soon i hope. this is a great forum everyone is so firendly.
 
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Oh, probably more for a casino than live, if you win (apparently) you must show both cards.

Exactly right. Pushing forward your hand with one card up and one card down is actually considered a fold.

There was a post on this a while back with a whole lot of useful stuff if you wanna do a search for it, but I'll paraphrase:

Don't string bet: a string bet is when, in the absence of any verbal announcement, you push forward a pile of chips then go back to your stack and push forward another pile. Only the first pile you pushed forward will be allowed to stand - I see this one happen most often when people are going all-in: they just start pushing out chips without announcing anything, and their bet gets cut short at the first chunk to be moved onto the table. Dealing live games, I have to pull a player up on this at least once a week.

The lesson? Always announce what you're going to do when it's your turn. If you're going all in, just say "all in", then you can take whatever time you need to move your chips in, and do it in as many trips as is necessary. Similarly, if you're going to raise, just say "raise".

Don't act out of turn: some places will just shoot you dirty looks for this, some will take action if you keep doing it, so just don't. Always wait for your turn.

Single oversized chips: unless you announce otherwise, if you thrown in a single oversized chip (say, a $100 chip when the bet is only $40), in the absence of any verbal declaration your bet will be deemed a call. If you mean to call, just say call and avoid any confusion. If you mean to raise, say raise.

Don't muck your winning hand: something online players will never have come across - once your hand touches the muck, it's declared dead. So if there's only two of you left in the hand and you muck your cards while the other player still has theirs, then they win the pot. Even if you had the winning hand. So never muck your winning hand - either let the dealer take it away after they've given you the pot, or wait until they ask you to throw it in.

Don't talk about hands while they're happening: same live as online, but the temptation live is greater to say "Damn, I would've had a full house" when the flop comes JJ5 and you mucked J5 yourself. Online, you'd be saying it to an empty room. Live, you're saying it within earshot of other people who are still playing the hand and it could influence the result.

Don't tell the truth about your hand: a whack rule, but a rule none the less: you're not allowed to tell people the truth about your hand. You're not allowed to tell the other player in a hand "I have a flush" if you actually do have a flush. You're allowed to tell them you have quads if you have a flush though. Go figure.

Don't heckle your dealer: there's one at every table: someone who keeps telling the dealer "This is the third time you've given me this hand" or "What's with these crap cards you keep giving me" or something along those lines. We've heard it before, and we've got no control over what cards you're getting and while we might even sympathise sometimes, there's not much we can do about it. So please don't heckle, and frown at anyone who is heckling for us :D
 
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enjoy it and play within your limits, comfort level. good luck.
 
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just dont play like me :)
enjoy it remember if ur not a pro it is for social interaction so be friendly to all and just plz dont use money u dont have at a higher stakes table i know a friend who thought he was so good he took 10K from his childs college fund and lost it in a prolonged 25-50nl seccion with a local pro

but above all enjoy urself ;)
 
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playing live

I had been playing on line for about a year then started playing live a couple of months ago , and its great you soon get over the nerves , i like it better now than on line , i play 4 times a week now !!
 
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Play with friends first to get rid of the live game jitters it will help with your transition. I would not recommend playing at a casino right away as many people can pick up on tells very easily. Remember its a whole new ballgame live you need to really mix up your game and dont be one dimensional as people will fold when you come out firing. You also got to change gears alot more then online play in middle stages of the game as most people live only play monster hands. Take advantage of tight play with good draw hands j q kq aq ak and always try to be suited with them. What works best for me might now work good for you though as everyone plays by feel. Online you play the odds game while live you play the person and it definitely is more physcological and strategic. Fake weakness on monsters bluff on middle pair hands with reraises and limit the amount of players pre flop with good starting hands as you would online. Remember all great players usually originate from online players because you see so many more hands and have had that much more experience with bad beats and when to lay down good cards. I myself love to bully and show bluffs here and there to influence people to call me on monster hands alot more. It always pays off when the blinds are large later in tourney play. Took first twice last year in big live games in Atlantic City and live games always pan out better for me then online. So practice your poker face and good luck!!!!
 
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Fake weakness on monsters bluff on middle pair hands with reraises and limit the amount of players pre flop with good starting hands as you would online.

So practice your poker face and good luck!!!!

Everything else makes sense, but don't these two statements contradict? Tons of books on poker tells tell you "acting strong means weak, acting weak means strong." If anybody's read one of those books then you're in some trouble. "Poker face" means NO emotion.
Just some things to bear in mind.:)
 
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relax.. get comfortable.. dont panic.. dont act like ur a newbie to brick and mortar rooms.. fold hands at first till u feel relaxed and play ur best.
 
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what i read in the other posts is alot of real good advice...watch the game for a half hour or so to understand the flow, the blinds, bets in turn. you will be very nervous no matter what, when you sit at the table your heart will be going a mile a minute, and if you look down and see pocket aces or kings blast off. don't forget to breathe. start at the lowest limit $1 /2 $2/4 if the dealer is good he or she will run the table and they will figure out you haven't played live too much and guide you along and throw in a joke or two to loosen you up. if you make a mistake the dealer will correct you, just listen and learn from it and move on.theres nothing wrong with asking the dealer a question, the best time is before the hand or after, during isn't a good time, if you need more time just say time, don't drink it whatever you do...just try to have fun but you will be a bundle of nerves, after a couple of times the table action will get natural and if you do well enough to move up in stakes give it a try...but there are alot of grinders no offense to the seniors but they are there everyday grinding out 20-30 bucks and play rock tight, and some of them are grumpy mostly playing during the day, the later in the night the looser the games become...i been playing live for 13 years and my heart still gets pumping and there is no better high when you pull in the chips and start stacking them my hands still shake. one last thing tip the dealer 1 or 2 bucks depending on the pot size, but i always tip, see what others are tipping and tip accordingly, the dealer will be thankful and be more willing to help you if needed...there was only one time i didn't tip because the dealer was a real a-hole, that was a very rare occurrence. good luck
 
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I asked about tipping the dealer when I won £220 recently in a poker tournament at the Gala casino in Northampton (England), but was told that it is not permitted.
 
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I asked about tipping the dealer when I won £220 recently in a poker tournament at the Gala casino in Northampton (England), but was told that it is not permitted.

From what I understand, this is the case in most European casinos. It's the case in Australia too.

Old thread, BTW.
 
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i have been playing on line for some time now and want to take my chances at a real time game. Does anyone have any advice on how to make the transition smoothly. i have never played real time before not even a home game.

1) Try to control your image. If you have pocket AAs and two drop in on the flop, jumping up and down shouting "YOU BEAUTY" and showing anyone who will look your hole cards will reduce the chances of your opponent calling your inevitable raise..

2) Remember ettiquette. online poker is very different in terms of what you can and cant say. If your pocket Kings all in call gets rivered by a 8 2 off suit then shouting "YOU BLOODY FISH" renders you liable to immediate ejection from the casino ( if you are lucky) and a pint glass over the head if your opponent happens to be the temperamental sort.

3) Play with your chips - An absolute necessity for all live poker players. You will be just so uncool if you dont. When online its all to easy to forget that your chips are actual. So finding something alternative to do with your hands is all too easy online, especially with the propensity of internet porn available at all hours of the day..

4) Wear dark glasses - Absolutely essential. Invest in a good pair of sunglasses that cannot be seen through. Do not however get mirrored glasses. For fairly obvious reasons.

Do not attempt to make your own darkened glasses. I tried it with a pair of grandmas spectacles and a tin of black paint. Upon placing them on before the game I found that I was at a distinct disadvantage. I couldnt see through them....

You want quality, its gonna cost ya..

5) Eat and drink as much as humanely possible - This is where bankroll management takes a subtle twist. You have invested $200 into the casino. They are giving you cups of coffee and free sandwiches.

Now assuming the average price of a coffee is $2 and Tuna Mayo Sandwiches are $4 then that means you need to scoff at least 30 portions of each to gain equity for your inevitable loss. Think of it this way. You paid $200 to lose at poker. Why not win in the food eating contest ?

6) Turn off your mobile - I cannot stress the importance of this enough. You are heads up on the final table and your opponent raises you all in pre flop and you have 7 2 off suit... You are pondering your move and suddenly from your mobile comes "skater boy" by Avtil Levigne. You stop to answer it. Its the wife. All your opponents hear is "yes darling I am in the casino. No I cant come and take the cat to the vets because its eaten one of your slippers..."

By this time your train of thought is thrown and for some obscene reason you call... OOPS....

Hence this advice is paramount.

6) Prepare your excuses in advance - Think up the best possible bad beat you can for when you tell your mates how you lost every chip on your first hand in the competition..

Online you have the records. In casinos you dont. You can feed people any crap you like and no one will prove otherwise unless they were there, and then you screw up that badly those in the casino tend ot be laughing too much to take notice of what you actually did anyway.,,


Anyhow, hope these tips are of some use to you... They didnt for me, but then again, I am a crap poker player. Need I say more...
 
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Very amusing. Nobody in the casino I play poker at wears sunglasses, either hand painted or otherwise, though. Think the lighting is just too dim for that. :)
 
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Don't tell the truth about your hand: a whack rule, but a rule none the less: you're not allowed to tell people the truth about your hand. You're not allowed to tell the other player in a hand "I have a flush" if you actually do have a flush. You're allowed to tell them you have quads if you have a flush though. Go figure.

That is a rule that doesn't really make sense to me because there would be no point in lying about a hand because your opponent would know you can't tell the truth so they'd know you're lying. :p

Jamie Gold kind of used telling the truth to win the wsop main event though.
 
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That is a rule that doesn't really make sense to me because there would be no point in lying about a hand because your opponent would know you can't tell the truth so they'd know you're lying. :p

Jamie Gold kind of used telling the truth to win the WSOP main event though.

Yes, it's a kinda silly rule, and yes, Jamie Gold did abuse it during his Main Event win.

I've read interviews with Matt Savage since that said that, had he been the tournament director at the Main Event that year, Gold would have been penalised.
 
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Yes, it's a kinda silly rule, and yes, Jamie Gold did abuse it during his Main Event win.

I've read interviews with Matt Savage since that said that, had he been the tournament director at the Main Event that year, Gold would have been penalised.

Stupidest rule ever. See here:

Punish the Guilty


BY: STEVE ZOLOTOW | PUBLISHED: Wednesday Aug 29, 2007 12:00 AM Cardplayer Magazine.

Part II: A Laughable Rule

Some tournaments, including this year's World Series of Poker, have a rule that a player may not tell the truth about his hand. Before I start ranting about this ridiculous rule, I want to recount my version of an old puzzle. I was hired to scout tropical locations for an upcoming poker tournament. On one island, I found that the natives were of two tribes, the Honeys, who are always honest and never lie or bluff, and the Blues, who never tell the truth and only bluff. I got into a hold'em game with three of these natives, but I didn't know which of the two tribes each one was from. I was the big blind on the first hand. I asked the player to my left what he was. He answered something that I couldn't quite hear and folded.

The button said, "He said he is a Blue," and then he folded.

The small blind said to the button, "You, sir, are a lying Blue." Then, he looked at me, and said, "I'm all in with my two aces."

I look down and see two kings. What should I do, and why? (The answer will be given later.)

Why should tournament directors decide that talking about hands in a heads-up situation is wrong? It is a part of poker and always has been a part of poker. They claim that in tournaments, what happens between two players has an effect on everybody else. Sure it does, but so does bluffing, check-raising, and everything else. Why should they take one weapon out of our arsenal? And this is a weapon that spectators and even the other players at the table find entertaining. What this rule does is convert everyone into a Blue, who must lie. What's bad about that? Well, first here's the answer to the puzzle in the first paragraph.

I should fold. The first native said something that I didn't hear. If he was an honest Honey, he said, "I'm a Honey." If he was a bluffing Blue, he also said, "I'm a Honey." So, no matter which tribe the first player was from, he said that he was a Honey. The second player, however, said that the first player said he was a Blue. So, the second player is clearly a lying Blue. As for the third player, he must be a truth-telling Honey, since he correctly called the second player a liar. Since he is a truth-telling Honey, he has two aces and I should fold my kings.

Someone in the main event told the truth about his hand, saying, "I have a king." His opponent folded, but he received a one-round penalty for telling the truth. Obviously, he should have said, "I don't have a king," then paused and added, "but there is a penalty for telling the truth." Thus, he could have conveyed the same information by lying about his hand. As long as we know that our opponent must be lying, we can assume the opposite is the truth. Unless players are allowed to use some mix of truth and lies, they effectively are telling the truth. So, the rule that makes sense is: When you're heads up, you can say anything you want about your hand.

When I told this to one of the directors, he said that truth-telling leads to collusion. Collusion is much more of a problem in the minds of directors than it is in actual fact. I am good friends with some of the best players in poker (and some of the worst), but I can't imagine wanting to cost myself chips to help Howard Lederer or Erik Seidel; nor do I think they would ever want to cost themselves chips to benefit me. I guess there can be times when a husband or backer might want to collude to keep a wife or backed player alive, but if this was the case, they could do it without discussing the specifics of their hand at all. There are ample specified penalties for collusion and soft-play. If the director is sure that a statement is made to collude, that person is, and should be, expelled from the tournament and his chips forfeited. This is similar to barring cell phones because they might be used for cheating. Don't punish the innocent, but when someone is guilty, punish him severely.

My last criticism of this rule is that it is hard to enforce, and therefore is not uniformly enforced. What if I say, "I have a king," my opponents folds, and someone alleges that I was telling the truth? Must I show my uncalled hand?

What if I bet with a board of K-K-10-10-4 and my opponent asks, "Do you have a king?"

I answer, "I don't have a king." He calls with a 10. I show two kings for quads. Was I lying when I said that I didn't have a king, or telling the truth because I didn't have a king, but two of them?

For those of you who have never been exposed to logical paradoxes, I will end by quoting one of the most common self-referential conundrums: "This statement is a lie!"
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Stupidest rule ever.

Absolutely agree, stupidest rule ever.

Sad reality is though that as long as it's still being enforced, players need to be aware of it.

I'm just glad none of the games I deal use the full TDA rule sheet, so I've never had to enforce it or, worse, give the inane reasoning for said rule.
 
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