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Structure

Round 1 No Ante Small 25 Large 50
Round 2 No Ante Small 50 Large 100
Round 3 No Ante Small 75 Large $150
Break
Round 4 Ante 25 Small 100 Large 200
Round 5 Ante 25 Small 200 Large 400
Round 6 Ante 50 Small 300 Large 600
Break
Round 7 Ante 50 Small 400 Large 800
Round 8 Ante 100 Small 500 Large 1000
Round 9 Ante 100 Small 800 Large 1600
Break
Round 10 Ante 200 Small 1000 Large 2000
Round 11 Ante 300 Small 1500 Large 3000
Round 12 Ante 400 Small 2000 Large 4000
Break
Round 13 Ante 500 Small 3000 Large 6000
Round 14 Ante 500 Small 4000 Large 8000
Round 15 Ante 500 Small 5000 Large 10000
Break
Round 16 Ante 1000 Small 8000 Large 16000
Round 17 Ante 1000 Small 10000 Large 20000
Round 18 Ante 1000 Small 15000 Large 30000
Break
Round 19 Ante 2000 Small 20000 Large 40000
Round 20 Ante 3000 Small 30000 Large 60000
Round 21 Ante 4000 Small 40000 Large 80000
Please give me your comments to make this structure better. Thank you!!
 
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Might be a stupid quistion but what are the starting stacks and how long is each level?
 
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The starting stacks for this structure can range from 2,000-10,000. This structure is based on about 70 players. The levels will last 20 min each.
I think this structure comromises with the player and the house needs.
 
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Could be just me, but the ante seems to kick in a bit early. But like I said, I could be wrong.
 
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Well, there really is a HUGE difference depending on if you start player with 2k chips or 10k chips.

Using Arnold Snyder's calculator you can see that 2k is a crap shoot with a skill level of 'one', while 10k is decent (for a low buy in anyway) with a skill level of 'four':

2000

10k

comparable (almost) to a multi-table tournament on FullTilt:

FT multi
 
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I also think that the antes kick in far too early. Like AG stated, the starting stack size is rather important.

As posted, with a starting stack size of 2k and the level increase you have listed would be too fast.

As a compromise I'd suggest taking the antes out completely, and making the starting stacks 5k.
 
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The antes would actually be fine with me - as others have mentioned, the two biggest issues for me would be the level duration and the starting stack. Ideally I'd want starting stacks of 6000 and 30 minute levels as a minimum to play in something like this.

Otherwise, only thing I could suggest is maybe 600-1200 blinds between levels 8 and 9. Ditto for 6000-12000 blinds between levels 15 and 16.

Oh - the other important thing players want to consider is the rake. How much rake would you be charging on the entrance fee?
 
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Well, I think with a small starting stack of 2k i oculd take out the antes. With bigger stacks i think the antes could stay. The buy-ins range from 15+5 to 65+10. The smaller the buy in the smaller the chip stack. The smallest chip stack is 2k. All of our entry fee's do not go to the house but to other things like Free rolls and such.

As for adding blinds between 8 and 9 and 15 and 16 i think that might be a good idea.
 
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With a starting stack as small as 2000, taking the antes out or not starting them until much later is probably a good idea, yeah.
 
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If these are live tourneys you are talking about then the $15 - $65 buy in is pretty low. That being said, most people who would be playing this tourney would want to get in have some fun for 2 or so hours and get out. With the 20 min blinds you want that means a break every hour. I personally think that is too much. I know that when I am playing a live tourney the last thing I want to be doing is getting up for 10 - 15 mins every hour.
 
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Plug any structure you design into the calculator accessible in my link above: anything under skill level four is poor, and I know I personally wouldn't waste my money on it.
 
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Plug any structure you design into the calculator accessible in my link above: anything under skill level four is poor, and I know I personally wouldn't waste my money on it.

I've had a look on that link but can't actually find the calculator?
 
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Cheers. Just put my structure into it. This is what I use for our freezeouts, 8 players usually. Skill level of 5 apparantly, not bad for a quick tourney :)

starting chips: 10,000

minutes: small/big-ante

30: 50/100
30: 100/200
30: 150/300
break
20: 200/400
20: 300/600-50
20: 400/800-50
20: 500/1000-100
break
20: 600/1200-100
20: 800/1600-150
20: 1000/2000-200
15: 1500/3000-300
etc, all at 15.
 
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AG, what's a good patience factor? I play with mostly family and friends, neither of which are "into" poker like we might be. They like to play, just not like we all do :)

So is this a decent patience factor? I'm guessing 3 is a decent skill level for weekend'ers if you will.

Also, to the OP, I wouldn't worry about breaks. When we play, people take breaks after the button and can usually be back before the next deal, or at least before the SB.
 

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I wouldn't worry about breaks either. At our local card club the only break is when the final table is formed and that is only 5 min long.
 
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Ya I would definitely want a larger starting stack then 2000 for that structure. I would say the 10 000 starting stack would work well but I usually prefer deep stacked tourneys so that is probably why I would pick that one. I also think the ante comes in a little bit too soon as some other posters have mentioned.
 
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AG, what's a good patience factor?

From here:

Patience Factor Comments
1.49 or less A crapshoot
1.50 to 2.99 Still very fast, pray for good cards
3.00 to 4.49 Very fast but good for learning speed play
4.50 to 5.99 Fast, excellent for good speed players
6.00 to 7.49 Medium fast, requires more poker skill
7.50 to 9.99 Medium slow, requires much more poker skill
10.00 and up Slow, highly skilled players only
 
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I wouldn't worry about breaks either. At our local card club the only break is when the final table is formed and that is only 5 min long.

How many people in those tournaments though?

I think every couple of hours for breaks is a good amount. When it comes time to race off chips the game will come to a halt for five minutes or so anyway.
 
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ranges from 30-60 players. TD walks around doing the color up when needed so no play stoppage there. Play will stop for about 2-3 min as tables break.
 
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The chip stack has been increased to $3000. There is only a 5 mn break every hour. I have also added that every Thursday is a $10,000 Starting chip stack. This structure will be put into effect May 1st. I will let you guys know what people say.
 
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Tournament Structure
Round 1 No Ante Small 25 Large 50
Round 2 No Ante Small 50 Large 100
Round 3 No Ante Small 75 Large $150
Break
Round 4 Ante 25 Small 100 Large 200
Round 5 Ante 25 Small 200 Large 400
Round 6 Ante 50 Small 300 Large 600
Break
Round 7 Ante 50 Small 400 Large 800
Round 8 Ante 100 Small 500 Large 1000
Round 9 Ante 100 Small 800 Large 1600
Break
Round 10 Ante 200 Small 1000 Large 2000
Round 11 Ante 300 Small 1500 Large 3000
Round 12 Ante 400 Small 2000 Large 4000
Break
Round 13 Ante 500 Small 3000 Large 6000
Round 14 Ante 500 Small 4000 Large 8000
Round 15 Ante 500 Small 5000 Large 10000
Break
Round 16 Ante 1000 Small 8000 Large 16000
Round 17 Ante 1000 Small 10000 Large 20000
Round 18 Ante 1000 Small 15000 Large 30000
Break
Round 19 Ante 2000 Small 20000 Large 40000
Round 20 Ante 3000 Small 30000 Large 60000
Round 21 Ante 4000 Small 40000 Large 80000
Breaks will be 5 minuets long. Tournament director will let the players and dealers know when to race off chips.
Rounds will be 20 min long. Starting chip stack will be $3000 TC.
Buy-ins will range from 20+5 to 40+5
The antes for the small buy-in tournaments will also be taken out.
Thursday will start with $10,000 TC. Buy-in for this tournament will be $60+10.
Antes will apply for this tournament.
With all factors looked at and accounted for. These should be great tournaments for fast players and also very very patient players.
Thoughts?
 
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I am not sure that that benefits very very patient players at all. That is as aggressive as any turbo structure, no matter if it is 3,000 chips or not. If rounds are 20 minutes, it wont make up for the aggressive nature of the structure. I think that you could slow down the structure and move it back down to 1,500 chips, if you are worried about time.
 
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More time? Smaller increase in blinds? What would you prefer. And the tournament calculator is very misleading. I just want to make a point of that.
 
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