Is this tilt?

[PsychoVas]

Hello, Chatters!
Lately I have been in a strange mood. With very few exceptions, I play poker with indifference. I mean that I do not care what happens or even worse I play hands that I know will lose.
The ground of my attitude is a rather bad run, where I kept losing all flips, most of 70-80% and a lot of 90% being the favourite in the hands. That left me with a feeling that it doesn't really matter how you play, getting it in good is not enough for winning.
Of course there have been games like when I lost a big stack in BCP to a two- and a three-outter in a row, left with 144 chips (a bit more than a BB) and ended up in the final table nevertheless, or a good run in the challenge free-roll.
There seems to be a lurking thought in my mind, that after all those beats, I can win the same way too, bink one of my two outs and presto!
I do know that things do not work this way, but I can't seem to be able to shake it off.
I started this thread right after I called a 3-bet-shove with 7s and I did not of course bing my 3rd seven against 10s.
What do you think I should do?
How do I lose this creeping notion from inside the back of my head?
Take a break or reconsider my poker playing in general?
Maybe even start playing buy-in tourneys where stupidity hurts your bankroll?
I seriously need to get back to my roots!
Cheers!

 

[akmost]

Been there too , it's like you don't have any motive to play some serious cards because no matter what is your play, Poker Gods will know your destiny from the beginning!
The thing is how you respect your own game , I have done many punts in the near past but personally I keep thinking after my elimination how deeper I would have ran if my play was more pot controlling or with less high variance spots(real money tournaments).

I feel that you lack the incentive to play some good poker because
a)The prize top up is not a significant amount , If the prize up top was 5K?What then?
b) In freerolls the rest of the players don't either care and they just gamble or keep calling everything don't let them make you play like them.This is not poker - have done it too though because I was bored, I admit it!

I don't know how to call it but I feel that you are bored. If I were you I would have stopped for some days.After the break you will return full of excitement - works for me-.

If you want to improve your game it would be mandatory to play with some real money other wise your game will remain static and just decent for the freerolls stakes. I have a friend of mine who turned $200 initial bankroll to 2K in less than a year through studying , grinding and believe me after many many bad beats but it is part of the game!

It has to do solely with your priorities and how seriously you take your hobby

Hope I helped man!

 

[SPANKYSN]

Yes, you were on tilt. Akmost has some good suggestions...you need a break from freerolls or low stakes tables. We've all been there, where opponents chase you down and win pots that they had absolutely no business being in. That, unfortunately is the nature of the freeroll/low stakes beast. I have seen you play in the CC freerolls...you are a fairly solid player, so I understand how frustrating it can be to get beat by buffoons...take a short break and shrug it off, since it will happen over and over again...come back refreshed and eager...you'll enjoy it more.

 

[firstcrack]

Yep. Take a break. I agree with most of the sentiments expressed so far.

 

[PackinPat]

Start putting money on the table. You will concentrate more providing you do not want to loose your money.

 

[Anton Fedorov]

All poker players will sooner or later experience this feeling! It's okay you're just a little tired. Poker is a very resourceful game. In fact, we ourselves do not notice how much energy we spend on the game, it seems to us it is easy when we play, but it is not so in reality! At the level of physiology, there are large costs of hormones that are responsible for our psychological state. Without going into details, you simply lack the necessary hormones for your better well-being. They can be obtained using dietary supplements, but this is not enough. The easiest and proven way is to put yourself in the right mode. Go to bed on time. Eat right and high quality. Keep a mobile lifestyle, play sports. While your hormonal level will return to normal, you will again feel the interest in the game like the first time. And this concerns not only poker, but life in general.
Take a break from poker. Take care of yourself. Otherwise, you'll just lose time, money and health!

 

[xbronk]

poker has to have many facets and you have to take them all to the tables and not always the favorite hand will win a percentage of times will win more breaks always help to clarify the ideas the ideal is to be calm play annoying or unwilling can you both help and break at the tables, good luck

 

[PsychoVas]

Thanks for all the feedback, people!
It's good to know that it happens to others too. I guess a little break and a fresh perspective will do the trick!

 

[Zvezda kz]

My opinion is not tilted, it is rather fatigue and apathy towards what is happening. Do what has been put off for a long time to get away from poker.
When this happens to me, I noticed that it is enough not to play for 3-5 days to knock on the game and start the game with a new power.

 

[rafffinamore]

playing with any card, is not smart play, and this will not take you to podium places, winners place, I would advise watching motivational videos, or studying a little about behaviors, maybe because you played so many cards, bad, or too to play with good cards and to take bads, that left you like this and today it matters so much because you want to play in anger of giving bads in AA, and KK that you find in front, and that mathematically does not always happen, so you in most times you will lose more than you win. I would rethink my game in your place!

 

[Lena M]

Hello.
It is obvious that you have a period of frustration.
You need to take a break, relax. Try to meditate. This is a great way to improve your psychological and general condition. Meditation always helps me.

 

[acemenow]

HeyPsychovas, see you often at the tables and learned to respect your play early on. Cheers!

I experience it as well and wind up pushing the F-it button pretty quick, when it happens a few times in a row. Used to last for a week or two. What changed for me though I still experience it is the following:

1 - If I truly get sucked out on like with a two outer that puts me 3m or lower I pick a hand and shove back in position with any 2 (I know this is supposed to be bad), But this does two things for me 1) I get lucky with either good cards or a favorable flop or 2) I walk away for a few minutes and calm down and start another mtt. :tomato:

If I am still in it after that I go into shove fold mode (TAG) until I get up to a 5m or better. Right or wrong my perception is I am bound to lose but I will go down swinging. :viking:
If I get past the 5m I usually calm down and get back on track to lose later in the tourney but its these times that I find its best to test ones patience. If I lose before the money on another suck-out and its still bothering me. Then I just stick to $10 freerolls and play like a maniac to get it out of my system and/or switch sites. If its following me site to site I know its me and evaluate my game or walk away for a night or two. If its still following me then I just take a more mathematical approach to the game and get more nitty/TAG centric. Figure if I am going to lose I am going to try different strategies.

Last weekend I got pissed because this paid SNG R/A a guy was pushing heavily and I finally had a decent hand I pushed him all in. I had KQ s two callers AJ and AQ respectively and the maniac called with 87o and hit an 87 on the flop and turn taking us all out.

Normally I wouldn't shove KQ so early especially in a money SNG unless I was planning to rebuy. But I let his previous actions dictate how I responded and worse learned he will call with anything (IMO) I am sure someone can make a case for calling with 87o after 3 all-ins are in the pot. But I know him and I also know he was prepped to rebuy if he lost so its a different strategy and I got sucked into it because I got emotional, overplayed my hand which would have lost to one of the other players anyway. He is a challenge and a very good player so I have learned to respect his game over time and I read him correctly he just failed to respond the way I wanted him to. The other callers did not help either lol

My point is for myself I know its happening but I am beginning to see sometimes I perceive it happening when in fact I am putting myself in bad risky situations even though I may be ahead at preflop or flop . IDK I still have a ton to learn just my opinion for now at this point in time ~ 10 minutes from now I may change my mind lol

 

[Ricardo_lhp]

really you are not with a head to poker at the moment my friend, if you think that way and this is affecting your game, the best thing to do is to give it a try, because if not only it will be ripping money. Stop playing and review your game, see if you are doing poorly or if you are wrong even in the way of playing, at a time, watch other players stream, then when you are 100% focused, return to playing poker.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Why not consider playing a different poker variation? ie. cash tables Might instill some new motivation & desire for the game. (it can also help with MTT play down the road)
(tournament play can be hard on the head after awhile).

 

[Reload]

Only distractions or things to do in real life can make you play real bad. If that's not the case for you, then you are playing with no sense, showing that maybe you're tired of it or not in the mood, a good long pause should make you for wanting win again, not just to throw some chips to pass time.

 

[efranto2286]

I think that taking a break from the tables for a while, analyze yourself and look for new personal perspectives to play so it will happen and you will come back with much more strength

 

[PsychoVas]

Thanks for the feedback, guys!
The trouble is that do get the chips in good, I mean a lot better than a flip, 3 to1 or 4 to 1 and still lose. I'm indifferent to the game as I'm almost convinced that tournament poker is solely a matter of luck, same as slots or roullette!
You play good, you have a decent stack and all it takes is one outcome where the lesser odds are realized and "presto"! You either are out of the tourney or your stack is an easy prey for everyone.
That's why I think PO has a point there:

Why not consider playing a different poker variation? ie. cash tables Might instill some new motivation & desire for the game. (it can also help with MTT play down the road)
(tournament play can be hard on the head after awhile).

 

[Poker Orifice]

Years ago I disliked cash game online but still played a bit on Fulltilt & Doylesroom (back when you could rake a # of hands that enabled you to get into some juicy freerolls 'daily' ). I stuck to tournament play for years. Now for the past 4 or 5yrs. its been almost all cash game & very few tourneys. It's not as exciting hitting the 'fun' (< I wouldn't say 'Big' lol) scores but it is fun with the 'thinking'

 

[Serjo600]

Same situation. When there is interest in the game, or at least a little concentration is obtained at least get into ITM. As for the return to the plus game, I think you need to be able to switch depending on the stage of the tournament. I do well at an early stage to get the first stack, but also rapidly I lose it on the bubble, if you play moderately and stick to the middle stack you can go into the money, but not deep. Looking at my statistics, there are tournaments in which I win most often, but there is no so much game that I can sit down at any time and play a comfortable buy-in and type of game: Razz, stud 8, FL Omaha 8, 2-7 triple draw, Badugi, horse, hold'em play mostly freerolls.

 

[Serjo600]

Spoiler

HeyPsychovas, see you often at the tables and learned to respect your play early on. Cheers!

I experience it as well and wind up pushing the F-it button pretty quick, when it happens a few times in a row. Used to last for a week or two. What changed for me though I still experience it is the following:

1 - If I truly get sucked out on like with a two outer that puts me 3m or lower I pick a hand and shove back in position with any 2 (I know this is supposed to be bad), But this does two things for me 1) I get lucky with either good cards or a favorable flop or 2) I walk away for a few minutes and calm down and start another mtt. :tomato:

If I am still in it after that I go into shove fold mode (TAG) until I get up to a 5m or better. Right or wrong my perception is I am bound to lose but I will go down swinging. :viking:
If I get past the 5m I usually calm down and get back on track to lose later in the tourney but its these times that I find its best to test ones patience. If I lose before the money on another suck-out and its still bothering me. Then I just stick to $10 freerolls and play like a maniac to get it out of my system and/or switch sites. If its following me site to site I know its me and evaluate my game or walk away for a night or two. If its still following me then I just take a more mathematical approach to the game and get more nitty/TAG centric. Figure if I am going to lose I am going to try different strategies.

Last weekend I got pissed because this paid SNG R/A a guy was pushing heavily and I finally had a decent hand I pushed him all in. I had KQ s two callers AJ and AQ respectively and the maniac called with 87o and hit an 87 on the flop and turn taking us all out.

Normally I wouldn't shove KQ so early especially in a money SNG unless I was planning to rebuy. But I let his previous actions dictate how I responded and worse learned he will call with anything (IMO) I am sure someone can make a case for calling with 87o after 3 all-ins are in the pot. But I know him and I also know he was prepped to rebuy if he lost so its a different strategy and I got sucked into it because I got emotional, overplayed my hand which would have lost to one of the other players anyway. He is a challenge and a very good player so I have learned to respect his game over time and I read him correctly he just failed to respond the way I wanted him to. The other callers did not help either lol

My point is for myself I know its happening but I am beginning to see sometimes I perceive it happening when in fact I am putting myself in bad risky situations even though I may be ahead at preflop or flop . IDK I still have a ton to learn just my opinion for now at this point in time ~ 10 minutes from now I may change my mind lol

....adjust more for any donk who push or often call ur blind:wavey:

 

[don1980]

I believe you should do both. Take a break and reconsider your game while you take break.