Study group with Negreanu, Lindgren and more

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Hi all,
i was wondering if someone could help me out. I am doing research on poker study groups and I am looking into when Negreanu and Lingren broke into the sceen, weren't they involved with a group including them and a few others? I would like to know who all was involved and where I can find any articles, stories, information about that group. Trying to google it brings millions of hits, none on the specific topic I need.
The second part of the research I am doing involves how to build a successfull group. Not successfull in making money (well, that would be one avenue to explore), but succesfull in making the players involved get better at the game of hold'em. Are there books or discussion groups on this? What formula would be good for a group of 4-5 people? Obviously hand analysis, betting stratagy, etc., but what else? This is geared towards tournament poker only.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Over 60 views and no answer yet? C'mon, someone has to have some answer here right? Any help is greatly apprecaited please.
 
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I think during last years wsop there was a background story about Kirk Morrison that mentioned the young guys that started out together. Cunningham was another, I don't know anything about a study group, sorry.
 
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I know the group started with Juanda, Lindgren, Negreanu, and I think Cunningham.
I remember reading about it in a Juanda interview in an issue of bluff. I'll see if I can find it.
 
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Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Thanks for the help guys.
 
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omg!...books?....study groups?.....are you for real?...haha.....you're here!....good god man!.....betting stratagy?....haha!.....think you found a huge one!....... here at cards chat.....wake up dude!.....anything you need to know or ask is here....everything you asked for is here come on!.....haha....thats why im here!
 
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omg!...books?....study groups?.....are you for real?...haha.....you're here!....good god man!.....betting stratagy?....haha!.....think you found a huge one!....... here at cards chat.....wake up dude!.....anything you need to know or ask is here....everything you asked for is here come on!.....haha....thats why im here!
What? OP is asking a pretty valid poker related question. Reread it again.
 
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Here's his official biography but I don't see any mention of what your talking about.

Daniel Negreanu was born to Annie and Constantin on July 26th, 1974 in Toronto, Ontario canada. Daniel’s parents moved to Canada after leaving Romania in hopes of giving their children better lives. At the age of sixteen, Daniel discovered an affinity for gambling, pool hustling, and poker. These games, combined with his love for numbers and probability, quenched Daniel’s competitive thirst. After leaving high school one art credit short, Daniel was playing poker full time and with adults twice his age in various charity casinos and other gambling halls. Not only was Daniel playing in these games, but he was also winning on a consistent basis. As time pressed on Daniel’s bankroll grew.
Being one that always liked a competitive challenge, Daniel set his sights on the poker capital of the world – Las Vegas. When he turned 21, Daniel packed up his things, his bankroll, and came rolling down to The City of Lights. There he discovered that the glitzy casinos of Vegas were much different from the charity casinos in Toronto. Daniel lost his bankroll in Vegas and returned home to Toronto to rebuild what he had lost. Like a great champion, Daniel kept fighting, and he continued the cycle of winning in Toronto and then losing in Las Vegas.
Then, one day it all came together. Daniel figured out how to beat the tables in Las Vegas. He worked hard to plug the leaks in his game, spending hundreds of hours playing, studying, and working diligently to become one of the best. All of the hard work paid off. In 1997 Daniel was named best all around player at Foxwoods’ World Poker Final. In 1998, Daniel entered his very first world series of poker event. He won that $2,000 Pot Limit Hold ‘Em event, and at the age of 23, Daniel became the youngest player ever, at the time, to win a World Series of Poker bracelet. The win earned Daniel the nickname “Kid Poker.”
Daniel’s success continued, adding another World Series of Poker bracelet in 2003. This time Daniel demonstrated his all-around ability by winning the S.H.O.E bracelet. S.H.O.E. is a game that rotates in order: Seven Card Stud, Hold’ Em, Omaha Eights or Better and Stud Eights or Better.
Daniel had arguably the best year of his poker career in 2004. In that year, Daniel made 11 final tables, which includes two WPT victories (Borgata and Bellagio) and his third World Series of Poker bracelet in Limit Hold ‘Em. His total winnings that year amounted to a staggering $4,465,907. Aside from the recent WSOP Champion, Daniel has more career earnings in tournament poker than anyone in the world. Daniel’s excellent play throughout the year earned him both the World Series of Poker Player of the Year and Card Player Magazine Player of the Year titles. He was also named WPT Season 3 (2004-2005) Player of the Year.
Then in 2005, Daniel decided to broaden his horizons and moved into different business ventures. Daniel contributed a chapter in Doyle Brunson’s Super System 2 and began working on two books, one was released in 2007 called Hold'em Wisdom for all players & the other is scheduled to be released in 2008. While many feel it was an off year for Daniel tournament results wise, he still managed to cash in 3 WPT events including a 3rd place at the Jack Binion World Poker Open for $384,000.
Daniel began 2006 with a win at the WSOP Circuit Event in Tunica winning $755,000. He followed that up with a 5th place finish at the National Heads Up Poker Championship and a 2nd place finish at the Tournament of Champions earning $325,000 along the way. He cashed in 5 WSOP events & capped off the year off with an impressive 3rd place finish at the WPT Five Diamond Wolrd Poker Classic for nearly $600,000.
After his 3rd place finish in December of 2006, Daniel continued his strong play in January of '07. He cashed at the WPT pokerstars Caribbean Adventure and then followed that up with a 2nd place finish at the WPT World Poker Open for over $500,000. He final tabled two WSOP Events including a 3rd place at a NL Hold'em Shootout Event & finished off the year with another strong showing at the Five Diamond World Poker Classic coming in 14th place for nearly $100,000. Daniel also released his first book in 2007 called Hold'em Wisdom for all players. The book is a collection of 50 articles from his syndicated column that is circulated across North America by 35 newspapers.
The biggest announcement in 2007 was Daniel becoming a member of Team PokerStars. PokerStars is the largest online poker site in the world and is the perfect fit for Negreanu. "I'm very excited about joining Team PokerStars. The organisation seems like the perfect fit for me and I'm glad they feel the same way." said Daniel.
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I know the group started with Juanda, Ivey, Negreanu, and I think Cunningham.
I remember reading about it in a Juanda interview in an issue of Bluff. I'll see if I can find it.

FYP afaik
 
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hey I wasn't trying to be mean.....haha......maybe I came across to harsh sorry MrInker(eric) but the question went in 2 directions....1st was.....he is doing research.....(a book?.....for himself?.....a buddy who cant read?...what?).....2nd was..... he wants to know how to build a group.....haha!.....this is a pretty huge group no?......so philthy I read it and i said it....welcome to cards chat im sure you will find all the things you need here....sorry if I seemed rude
 
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I dunno, but if you want to start something like that I'm interested. :cool:
 
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hey I wasn't trying to be mean.....haha......maybe I came across to harsh sorry MrInker(eric) but the question went in 2 directions....1st was.....he is doing research.....(a book?.....for himself?.....a buddy who cant read?...what?).....2nd was..... he wants to know how to build a group.....haha!.....this is a pretty huge group no?......so philthy I read it and i said it....welcome to cards chat im sure you will find all the things you need here....sorry if I seemed rude
Hint: The elipses (multi-periods) are for running phrases together. The way you type seems like sarcasm because of them. And the run-ons might make people think you've had too much coffee. :) Cut back on the dots so people can understand you better, DR. Cheers.
 
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hey I wasn't trying to be mean.....haha......maybe I came across to harsh sorry MrInker(eric) but the question went in 2 directions....1st was.....he is doing research.....(a book?.....for himself?.....a buddy who cant read?...what?).....2nd was..... he wants to know how to build a group.....haha!.....this is a pretty huge group no?......so philthy I read it and i said it....welcome to cards chat im sure you will find all the things you need here....sorry if I seemed rude
hey...um....could you...please stop....doing...this because it's.....ANNOYING...AS HELL
 
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Sorry people. And yes I have had about 8 cups today. Haha! Did'nt intend any sarcasim. sorry
 
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Thanks for everyone chiming in, I was nicely suprised to get home from work and see all the replies. As far as my original post, I am doing research on building a group, lol. Three of my friends and myself are going to be forming a group that meets at least once a week to sit down and go over strategy, hand analysis, critiqueing each others play (i.e. pointing out holes), etc. We all play weekly together in 2 seperate leagues and cash games and we all have a fairly decent game and want to take it to the next level. In addition to the "study", we are going to raise funds by holding large tourny and then using he money raised for the group to buy in larger tourny's both local and down A.C. and continue to put winnings back into the group until we are playing regulary in higher buy-in tourny's.

So, I am doing research to make sure we have a decent structure for this group. I could have sworn that Daniel, Eric and a few others were part of a group when they first broke onto the scene. I might be mistaken with Daniel after reading that article (thanks MrMuckets) but I know there was a group of players that did this.
 
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There you go, that's what i was looking for. I knew I was remembering right. Thanks, I will start looking again.
 
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Other "groups" of note are The Hendon Mob ( an area of London, UK )

Back in the early nineties brothers Ross and Barny Boatman played in a home game in Ross's flat which was underneath Barny's flat in Archway, North London. When that game broke up they started frequenting Joe Beevers’ game in nearby Hendon, befriending Joe, and the game's other regular player, Ram Vaswani. The four would often drive together to games and tournaments around the country.
Perhaps it was the dark jackets and shades, or maybe a jokey reference to actor Ross's on screen gangster roles, but everywhere they went people would say 'here comes the Hendon Mob'. The name stuck. They are not a team. They play as hard against each other as they do against anyone in poker and are universally respected for their integrity and fair play. What they are though is a family. Like four inseparable brothers, they are always there to enjoy each other's successes and support each other when times are hard. 'That' says Barny 'is our greatest strength.'
In the nineties the European tournament scene was growing and the Mob travelled every where together winning money and tournaments in Paris, Helsinki, Vienna, Amsterdam, anywhere that poker was played. In 1999 Late Night Poker, the first ever televised poker tournament started it's immensely popular run in Great Britain and The Hendon Mob were invited to take part. Already well known on the European poker circuit, the show brought The Mob to a wider audience and as poker grew in popularity they grew with it. Countless appearances on TV and radio as well as innumerable features in magazines and newspapers have made them household names all over Europe and beyond.
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Amongst poker's greatest ambassadors, The Mob have helped to raise awareness of poker as a sport. Starting with the first ever 'Poker Ashes' in Melbourne Australia they have played team head's up challenges against selected national teams from all over the world. They beat the Australians and went on to defeat the French and Irish in successive matches. In 2004 they put their unbeaten record on the line against Team USA in poker's first ever Transatlantic Challenge, the Ryder Cup of poker. The US fielded a powerful team including Chris 'Jesus' Ferguson and Phil Ivy and in the event The Mob were not disgraced in coming a close second!
In recent years The Hendon Mob have been making a big impression in the USA, with notable successes in The World Series of Poker and elsewhere. The American public have started to get to know them through appearances on such shows as the Jimmy Kimmel show and Fox Sports live.
 
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Thanks for everyone chiming in, I was nicely suprised to get home from work and see all the replies. As far as my original post, I am doing research on building a group, lol. Three of my friends and myself are going to be forming a group that meets at least once a week to sit down and go over strategy, hand analysis, critiqueing each others play (i.e. pointing out holes), etc.

I'd be afraid that a study group of four amateurs is bound to get sort of incestuous. That is, you need a *large* source of outside data because errors in logic/strategy will compound upon themselves if you keep most of your study in the family.

If you're all serious about this, you each need to read several poker books. Not only will you learn a lot, but the books teach you the language of poker, so you can discuss it and deconstruct it better.

Also, you're going to learn more from better players, so it's good to seek outside help from better people. There are plenty of people online willing to offer advice and help you out (Yeah, CardsChat!).
I mean, if you're going to get advice about a tricky hand, it's better to get advice from someone who's played hundreds of thousands of hands and is a consistent winner rather than a buddy who lacks that experience.

Good luck. I think the group is a good idea. Just remember that the group is a supplement to your education, and shouldn't be the primary means of education.
 
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I know what youre going through and sorry for any sarcastic asinine posts to your quest. I was very fortunate to be asked to join a Poker Study group. One of the leaders in it is somewhat of an avid student of poker. It is more intensive than chat forums and geared to theory and science of poker. Of course we talk about subjective things as well. Feelings, mood, on tilt, BR management as well. But a lot is posting HH and discussing leaks in ones game. There are only 7 of us and I can tell you a group like this can improve your game rapidly. Sort of like having a tutor.
Luckily one of the leaders is a good reader and reads the books more than once explaining Variance, EV, Implied odds to the less intellectually challenged and uses actual hands played to explain. You need one of these guys and luckily he is also a pleasant person. He also is a member of one of the Pro study groups like CardRunners etc so we have access to animated HH and articles and updates on new materials.
The group varies from young to old, male to female, emotional to cool, micro to medium stakes players. We all SUPPORT each other and do not call each other idiots or donks as we will agree that we all are unbecoming "donks" in the first place.
Good luck with your quest. Studying poker is endless and can be enjoyable. I am now in Vegas playing in tournaments all over town. Playing the best I can play. I wouldnt have the confidence if it wasnt for the group.
 
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I know what youre going through and sorry for any sarcastic asinine posts to your quest. I was very fortunate to be asked to join a Poker Study group. One of the leaders in it is somewhat of an avid student of poker. It is more intensive than chat forums and geared to theory and science of poker. Of course we talk about subjective things as well. Feelings, mood, on tilt, BR management as well. But a lot is posting HH and discussing leaks in ones game. There are only 7 of us and I can tell you a group like this can improve your game rapidly. Sort of like having a tutor.
Luckily one of the leaders is a good reader and reads the books more than once explaining Variance, EV, Implied odds to the less intellectually challenged and uses actual hands played to explain. You need one of these guys and luckily he is also a pleasant person. He also is a member of one of the Pro study groups like CardRunners etc so we have access to animated HH and articles and updates on new materials.
The group varies from young to old, male to female, emotional to cool, micro to medium stakes players. We all SUPPORT each other and do not call each other idiots or donks as we will agree that we all are unbecoming "donks" in the first place.
Good luck with your quest. Studying poker is endless and can be enjoyable. I am now in Vegas playing in tournaments all over town. Playing the best I can play. I wouldnt have the confidence if it wasnt for the group.

Any chance of a trip report??:D
 
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