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Zach, if you can't feel man it's OK just fall back on your little software crutches. Real men play the player anyway. The cards mean nothing.

Give me a break.

lol I'll play it blind, looking at your cards is for pussies who can't handle the real game. I'm all-in, CRAP what are the odds of that? My 29o ran into AA. @#$@#%@#%@#%@#%@#%@#$@#$@#$@#$@$#@$.

Maybe I should go check my program on the odds of that. OMG 22,560 TO 1 (8/52)(3/51)(4/50)(3/49) SOMEONE CALL THE RIGGED POLICE POKER IS RIGGED AND JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY CARDS THEY RIGGED IT AND MY FANCY SCHMANCY SOFTWARE AND MATH SKILLZ PROVED IT AND THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF IT NOW I PROVED IT AND I QUIT!!!@$%@#%@#%@#%@#@%@#
 
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Zach, if you can't feel it man it's OK just fall back on your little software crutches. Real men play the player anyway. The cards mean nothing.

Give me a break.

OMG that might be the most ignorant poker post ever.
 
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So your style works well against all the sharks and pros you find at the penny tables? Lots of sharks and pros there, they could be making sums as large as like an entire dollar an hour.

More than you'd think, and for different reasons too. Also, as you may know, toward the end of the free rolls, the real players start to come out. I frequent free rolls and often make it to that point. My style holds up just fine against them. I only lose due to horrible luck (turns & rivers have it out for me in a baaaad way).


Agreed 100% with that last sentence... But the bold part is just ignorant. It's not to use while you play, but it will help you learn just as odds/outs charts do. I don't use one but I no longer need to. This tool is to be used when analyzing a previous hand, and seeing in certain situations whether a move is profitable. This is again equivalent to the pro baseball player saying "if you're any type of real player you don't need to hit off a tee every day".

So, you needed to sit down, and compute your previous hands in order to become a decent player? You had to rely on a program to do that for you? You couldn't over time, like a true player (IMO), figure this out for YOURSELF? And this isn't baseball, but just so you know, your quote is irrelevant. Why? Well, you know hitting off a tee (analyzing your swing) Is different from going into a lab, swinging (analyzing), and having computers tell you whats wrong with your swing and how to correct it. However, that is exactly what you are doing as a poker player by using these programs. Taking the easy, lazy way out. If you don't see that, thats ignorance.


Neither am I, I still don't think you understand what the program does and if you do don't understand how it would be used, but if you don't want to know that's fine. You can continue to use your feel while others are passing you by.

You thought wrong. Tell me, do you think most of todays (you can even include yesterdays) successful poker players have/had these programs to use? If so, how many of them do you think use/used them? Now, out of the remainder of players (who don't use them), how many are still successful without these programs? Of course these are all assumptions (I feel they are logical ones because I'm sure they have a natural ability for the game[as I know I do, but not on their level yet]), but it doesn't seem like their being passed by to me. Neither will I, but if you need something like this to aid your play, I can't say the same will apply to you. Technology can't solve all of our problems...it definitely shouldn't anyway.
 
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Let's see how does this work

[ ] is serious
[x] needs a sarcasm smiley
 
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whoa dude get on that sarcasm smiley already. :eek:

this thread has put me on tilt and suicide watch so I got a little trigger happy. :eek:

peace yo
 
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I still haven't the foggiest what the other guy has but shouldn't you have a str8 draw(needing a Q and a J by the river) as well as a flush draw?

I can't remember seeing the turn(this is for the 10/10 scenario btw).

A little help here, please...

I'm far from pro(hence my table selection), so I'm thinking I don't fold. Opponent hasn't bet yet. I've got a str8 draw(pretty sure) and a flush draw(and my ooh-la-la 10/10). Opponent hasn't bet yet, just called.

So now's when I start praying to whoever listens to the prayers of degenerates, begging for a 10 on the turn. But no! It's a J and helping with my flush draw(cuz I'm a dork like that :p). Oh crap! Is that a str8 flush draw? Other guy probably doesn't have just an ace(though he may have A/A). I pray some more for the guy to "just bet a bit" on account of I just remembered "It's free to check".

He min-bets(It's my fantasy and he's a stupid person who min-bets into a decent sized pot!). I call. Then the Q needed to give me my str8 but not a flush lands on the river. Whew! So I check again. He min bets. I min raise. This continues in a frenzy until I decide to bet 1/2 pot. He goes all-in I call. He did have A/A!!! Gasp!

Now I dance my in-chair happy dance while he shouts "YOU BET WITH THAT!??? THAT'S A HORRIBLE HAND! YOU'RE A TERRIBLE PLAYER! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CALLED MY BET WITH THAT!!! DONK!"

Now I say aloud "Donk with your money bitch!", but type ss which = so sorry, which translates to "I'm a big fat liar and I still have your money bitch!"

Is there a rule against just making up the rest of the hand the way I want it to happen?
 
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Alternate ending to ^^ he has K/10 giving him the str8 with the better kicker(unless my brain's napping). He wins. I say type nh which translates to "Gawd! I'm an idiot". It could go a whole bunch of ways. But none of them begin with my folding when I can check!
 
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More than you'd think, and for different reasons too. Also, as you may know, toward the end of the free rolls, the real players start to come out. I frequent free rolls and often make it to that point. My style holds up just fine against them. I only lose due to horrible luck (turns & rivers have it out for me in a baaaad way).

Wow, and you hold your own with sharks and pros? You talk of how the pros don't use programs, how many pros (or even sharks) have you played with in freerolls. I'm sorry but the best freeroll players are still freeroll players.



So, you needed to sit down, and compute your previous hands in order to become a decent player? You had to rely on a program to do that for you? You couldn't over time, like a true player (IMO), figure this out for YOURSELF?
Right, because over time you just figure out how to compute all those combinations. Of course I could by hand, but I could also numerically compute complex differential equations by hand as well, but yet in the class I'm taking we're using calculators and software that implement the algorithms we learn.

And this isn't baseball, but just so you know, your quote is irrelevant. Why? Well, you know hitting off a tee (analyzing your swing) Is different from going into a lab, swinging (analyzing), and having computers tell you whats wrong with your swing and how to correct it. However, that is exactly what you are doing as a poker player by using these programs. Taking the easy, lazy way out. If you don't see that, thats ignorance.

LAZY? It's extra work. What are you doing that I'm not by using a program like this? You don't know the answer to the question, I've gone the extra mile to figure it out. Answer Chuck's problem without using a program if you're not lazy.

Oh, and guess what? When professional baseball players swing, they not only have "computers" videotaping every swing, but they also have individual hitting coaches to help them. They can't handle it on their own? And these hitting coaches do use software (I worked at an indoor facility that had this equipment over the summer) to look at bat angle, timing, etc.



You thought wrong. Tell me, do you think most of todays (you can even include yesterdays) successful poker players have/had these programs to use? If so, how many of them do you think use/used them?
I don't know for sure, but I'd guess a lot do. Obviously I'm not a first name basis with many of them so I don't have private cell numbers to ask or anything.

Now, out of the remainder of players (who don't use them), how many are still successful without these programs? Of course these are all assumptions (I feel they are logical ones because I'm sure they have a natural ability for the game[as I know I do, but not on their level yet]), but it doesn't seem like their being passed by to me.
You don't need this knowledge to be successful. It does help your game. Take it or leave it. It doesn't replace anything either, so it's not being lazy. If I were using this program INSTEAD of doing something maybe I'd be lazy. But I'm using things like this IN ADDITION to EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY DO.

Neither will I, but if you need something like this to aid your play, I can't say the same will apply to you. Technology can't solve all of our problems...it definitely shouldn't anyway.
Need? Aid? I don't need it, I've done fine before this was released, but it can't hurt. You keep acting as if it replaces something and thus I will get lazy. I didn't routinely calculate the combination of set hands, flush hands, and use the weighted averages to come up with the best play. So I'm going to be doing everything I did before, only I'll have an additional tool to use. It's extra work, now explain how that's laziness.
 
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Liveone - please tell me have you ever read a poker book? Have you ever read a poker forum to try and improve your game an knowledge? Is improving your game not a poker goal? Do you use a poker tracking software?

If you have answered 'Yes' to one of the above, then why is it so difficult to understand the the OP is to inform us of a software tool that helps us understand certain concepts of mathematical analysis of a hand, just in a different medium to the ones I have suggested above. It is not cheating, it doesn't give me an unfair advantage, as this is available to everyone. It is called improvement, I suggest you try this, or one of the above methods of improvement, then maybe you can move away from freerolls.

Btw, to suggest that poker pros, online/live, do not re-evaluate there play either using software or whatever, is seriously delusional imo.

Seriously this thread has derailed so much, it's a real shame.
 
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In the "opponents groups" I do not have the option to tick overpairs. Anyone know why this is?
 
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It's just not a default group - go to custom groups and you can make it yourself.
 
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I have one word for this

CHEAT
 
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just played a freeroll final table with negreanu johnny phil and doyle they decided the stakes were too high played it safe and made a "deal" to split the $60 everyone was satisfied/felt relieved LOL
 
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the tool looks very awesome. might check it out
 
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^ I love players like you more.:)

I play very very tight, but I switch it up when the time is right.

From your first post, seems you should be saying "I am a nit".

Not trying to rag on you, I dont know you at all, but reading your first post thats the impression I got real fast.
 
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everyone needs to remember here that zach likes maths,

like seriously.


on the other hand, this tool is sick and yes i will be looking at my cards and using my software cruth to spank you arses!

PS my apoligies to those of you who dont have arses but have lush booties, i will me spanky those also.
 
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If I play online for money anymore I'll be using this program. If others are using it and I'am not I am at a disadvatage. Anyone that would say "you guys are stupid for using these programs" are stupid. If you play for real money than you have to use every tool to your advatage. We are not playing for pride or who is smarter we are playing for MONEY!

I do agree though about only playing in a casino. This is why I play live poker 90% of the time now.
 
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I don't get it; why does "live or online" figure into whether or not you'll use this program?

Or do live players not take notes on how their sessions went, interesting hands to analyze afterwards, etc?
 
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