Question about dealer button when SB and BB go out

KerouacsDog

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OK, hopefully someone will know the answer to this situation that came up in one of our live homegames? In a hand, both the SB and BB went out, so the very next hand the dealer button moved to where the SB had been previously, even though it was dead. So in theory, the previous BB was now the SB(even though he was out) and the person next to him was BB. So far, so good, I hope?
Onto the next hand, to where does the dealer button go? I said to the next 'live' person, so, in effect, the one next to the original BB from the first hand, some people agreed, but some argued that that would mean someone missing a BB, and that the dealer should go to the dead BB from the first hand.
If Ive confused you, im sorry, I will try to make it clearer:
Seat 1: Dealer
Seat 2: SB
Seat 3: BB
Seat 4
Seat 5
Seat 6
Seat 7
so seat's 2 and 3 went out, so the dealer button moves to seat 2 next hand, there's no SB, just a BB at seat 4. Where does the dealer button go next hand? My understanding was that it went to seat 4, therefore meaning that seat 5 misses a BB. is this right?

BTW this isnt a problem about who actually deals the cards, as I was dealer for the night, its about posting the SB/BB
 
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You really should try to minimize people missing blinds as much as possible. I would have had the button move to seat 3 for hand #2 and seat 4 is the small blind seat 5 is the BB. That is the way it would be handled using the dead button rule. Sounds like you think it should be the dead button rule for hand 1 but moving button for hand 2. You weren't short-stacked on seat 5 by chance were you? :)
 
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I'm pretty sure there are two dead dealers in a row.

1rst hand seat 4 is the BB alone.

2nd hand seat 5 is the BB and seat 4 is the SB, and so on
 
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It continues on as if they were still in, so seat one would deal three times before it goes to seat four. You never shift the blinds they always follow their natural path.
 
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You really should try to minimize people missing blinds as much as possible. I would have had the button move to seat 3 for hand #2 and seat 4 is the small blind seat 5 is the BB. That is the way it would be handled using the dead button rule. Sounds like you think it should be the dead button rule for hand 1 but moving button for hand 2. You weren't short-stacked on seat 5 by chance were you? :)
so then if Im reading this right, seat 4 misses the BB?
Lol, i was seat 6, or 7, out of the way, so to speak.
 
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It continues on as if they were still in, so seat one would deal three times before it goes to seat four. You never shift the blinds they always follow their natural path.
so if seat one was the dealer three times, then there wouldnt be any SB or BB for 2 more hands? that doesnt seem right.
 
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Seat 4 posts the BB for hand 1 (there is no small blind this hand)
Seat 5 posts the BB for hand 2 (Seat 4 posts the small blind for this hand)

No blinds missed.
 
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I dealt NLHE tourneys last summer at a local casino, so this should be reliable information.

This is for games playing with a dead button.
After placing the button at Seat 2 (the former SB); Seat 3 would be a dead/empty SB, and Seat 4 would be the only position paying the BB.
In the next hand the button would go to Seat 3 with a dead button, Seat 4 would pay the SB and Seat 5 would pay the BB.
After completing the 2 hands with dead buttons, the next hand all blinds would be back to normal.

If you play a tourney with a live button or a cash game, the button would move to Seat 4. Seat 4 would post the BB. Seat 5 would post the BB. And Seat 6 would post the BB.
The next hand the button would move to Seat 5. Seat 4 would post the SB, Seat 5 would post the SB, Seat 6 would post the SB, Seat 7 would post the BB.
Once again, after completing these 2 strange blind hands, in the 3rd hand the blinds would be back to normal.

You can find this information in the Professional poker dealer's Handbook published by Two Plus Two, 2+2 Books : Professional Poker Dealer's Handbook by Mason Malmuth, Dan Paymar, Donna Harris : TwoPlusTwoStore.com - The Best in Poker/Gambling Books.

I hope that helps. :)
 
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no their would be a SB and BB I am talking in a live game without a dealer that is how it would work. it seamed that that was the easist way to explain it, guess not. bottom line play continues as if they are their. if seat 3 is the SB and their is no one at seat three then obviously thier is only a BB you never shift the blinds unless it doens't affect the natural rotation of blinds!!!!!
 
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I'm pretty sure there are two dead dealers in a row.

1rst hand seat 4 is the BB alone.

2nd hand seat 5 is the BB and seat 4 is the SB, and so on
this was my wife's theory, and the one we went with in the end, even though i thought it was wrong. Guess i should go grovel an apology to my wife now!

I dealt NLHE tourneys last summer at a local casino, so this should be reliable information.

This is for games playing with a dead button.
After placing the button at Seat 2 (the former SB); Seat 3 would be a dead/empty SB, and Seat 4 would be the only position paying the BB.
In the next hand the button would go to Seat 3 with a dead button, Seat 4 would pay the SB and Seat 5 would pay the BB.
After completing the 2 hands with dead buttons, the next hand all blinds would be back to normal.

If you play a tourney with a live button or a cash game, the button would move to Seat 4. Seat 4 would post the BB. Seat 5 would post the BB. And Seat 6 would post the BB.
The next hand the button would move to Seat 5. Seat 4 would post the SB, Seat 5 would post the SB, Seat 6 would post the SB, Seat 7 would post the BB.
Once again, after completing these 2 strange blind hands, in the 3rd hand the blinds would be back to normal.

You can find this information in the Professional Poker Dealer's Handbook published by Two Plus Two, 2+2 Books : Professional Poker Dealer's Handbook by Mason Malmuth, Dan Paymar, Donna Harris : TwoPlusTwoStore.com - The Best in Poker/Gambling Books.

I hope that helps. :)
that clears it all up, if you dealt in a casino then that's good enough(and more!) for me. The bolded bit(bolded by me) was the important bit I wasnt too happy about.
Thanks, and thanks everyone else.
 
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no their would be a SB and BB I am talking in a live game without a dealer that is how it would work. it seamed that that was the easist way to explain it, guess not. bottom line play continues as if they are their. if seat 3 is the SB and their is no one at seat three then obviously thier is only a BB you never shift the blinds unless it doens't affect the natural rotation of blinds!!!!!
that would tie in with what Likminutz and momoney wrote, thanks for the info.
 
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If you had just said upfront that this was an argument you had with your wife we could have told you she was right and saved all that typing.
 
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If you had just said upfront that this was an argument you had with your wife we could have told you she was right and saved all that typing.
I LOL'd at that! The woman's always right, i keep forgetting that!
Not only did she win 2 out of the 3 games, she's now right about this. And I 'taught' her to play poker..............
 
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