Pro Play or Donk Play?

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Blitz Poker on America's Cardroom is the same thing as "Zoom" on PokerStars

Generally the preflop open-raise ranges are tighter, however the 3bet ranges seem to widen up a bit and also frequency of 3bets go way up on Blitz $10NL vs the normal $10NL 6max counterpart.

Effective Stacks are about $10, 100 big blinds.

Action begins with Hero holding 33 on the Button and it folds around to Hero.

Hero opens for a standard min (2.2x) bet.

Villain in the Big Blind 3bets about 3.5x to 7.7bb's. Hero calls.
(I might normally actually fold this, but I've been getting 3bet about 90% of the time I've been opening and it's been pissing me off)

FLOP (pot = $1.52)
292 (rainbow)

Villain leads for 2/3 pot and bets $1 even into $1.52 pot.
Hero wants to (like a n00b) "know where he's at" and min raises to $2 like the chump that he is.
Obviously, villain flats the stupid min-raise.

Turn (pot = $5.32)
292 6h (2 hearts on board now, the 2h and 6h)
Villain leads for 1/2 pot and bets $2.79
Hero calls.
The pot is now pretty huge ($10.62)

River (pot = $10.62)
292 6h 9c
The river pairs the board again, but I think is somewhat of a blank, since someone either has the 9 already or doesn't have it, right?

Villain shoves for remaining ~45 big blinds effective ($4.49)

Hero?

 
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Don't like it at all. V could be bluffing with the best hand a lot here. We dont block anything and the flush also comes in OTR (which may have influenced the shove decision since V had the Ah), not that V has tons of flushes but we are only bluff catching against Ax here. For stacks. Without stats on VPIP/PFR how can you make this read to bluff catch for stacks? I think we also may have some timing tells. After he called our flop raise when we tank call the turn lead he knows exactly where he's at a lot of the time. He 3 bet with a legit hand and we don't have odds to set mine with only 100 BB eff. So:
Fold pre, fold flop or if we are raising then make a real raise and jam turn. Our line is all over the place when we min raise flop then flat turn. I actually don't mind the river call after getting to that spot but it just seems like a bad spot to be in. I think you won this hand more because you were frustrated at getting 3 bet too much and just got sticky and luckily ran into the bottom of Vs range.
 
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Don't like it at all. V could be bluffing with the best hand a lot here. We dont block anything and the flush also comes in OTR (which may have influenced the shove decision since V had the Ah), not that V has tons of flushes but we are only bluff catching against Ax here. For stacks. Without stats on VPIP/PFR how can you make this read to bluff catch for stacks? I think we also may have some timing tells. After he called our flop raise when we tank call the turn lead he knows exactly where he's at a lot of the time. He 3 bet with a legit hand and we don't have odds to set mine with only 100 BB eff. So:
Fold pre, fold flop or if we are raising then make a real raise and jam turn. Our line is all over the place when we min raise flop then flat turn. I actually don't mind the river call after getting to that spot but it just seems like a bad spot to be in. I think you won this hand more because you were frustrated at getting 3 bet too much and just got sticky and luckily ran into the bottom of Vs range.

Thanks c0rnbr34d I agree 100% w/ your analysis. I just got myself into a shitty spot and got lucky.
 
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I dont hate the 2.2BB open, but in cash games with the effective at 100BBs we should be going about 3BBs. I can understand your theory behind it though, keep the pot small to be able to seek a flop if 3bet (most of the time).... granted even if I opened 3x, and they 3Bet me to 9BBs, I'm still making the call to set hunt while I have position....

With that said, I'm only calling for the pure reason of set hunting.... with the flop coming 292, I might float a small bet to be able to take the pot against 2 overs (typically A high, or KQ).... with them firing strong on the flop, that screams 9x, or a pair 44-88, TT-QQ.... I think all the Ax, and Kx hands along with AA, KK bet small for value.... so I would have just folded on the flop....
 
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I dont hate the 2.2BB open, but in cash games with the effective at 100BBs we should be going about 3BBs. I can understand your theory behind it though, keep the pot small to be able to seek a flop if 3bet (most of the time).... granted even if I opened 3x, and they 3Bet me to 9BBs, I'm still making the call to set hunt while I have position....

With that said, I'm only calling for the pure reason of set hunting.... with the flop coming 292, I might float a small bet to be able to take the pot against 2 overs (typically A high, or KQ).... with them firing strong on the flop, that screams 9x, or a pair 44-88, TT-QQ.... I think all the Ax, and Kx hands along with AA, KK bet small for value.... so I would have just folded on the flop....


I'm interested in discussing opening strategy in Blitz, glad you mentioned it. My reasoning (right or wrong) behind the 2.2x open is because I open (almost) all my hands from CO/BU, including the times when I get AA/KK I can 4bet min and commit the opponent while hiding my true hole cards. The 2.2x BU open induces a lot of light 3bets as well. Also I think that the times that the blinds fold (which is a lot in Blitz) gives me awesome value on the 2.2x steals
 
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I'm interested in discussing opening strategy in Blitz, glad you mentioned it. My reasoning (right or wrong) behind the 2.2x open is because I open (almost) all my hands from CO/BU, including the times when I get AA/KK I can 4bet min and commit the opponent while hiding my true hole cards. The 2.2x BU open induces a lot of light 3bets as well. Also I think that the times that the blinds fold (which is a lot in Blitz) gives me awesome value on the 2.2x steals
And that's why I'm ok with it. By downing your size allows you to play a little wider. Which is ok, it's just a style choice.... I have my ranges constructed for 3x in cash, but in MTTs I also take this strat when effective is less the 100BBs.
 
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Hi. So I think in nearly 70 % it will be bluf. He jush wants to make hero to fold.
1: the bet size is too high.
2: no straight and flush.
3: preflop situation tells us that his hands come in bord in Just 15-20% or even less.
4: your hands will come in bord in thi same 15-20%.
So I think call is the Best hero can do.
Also can be raise all-in.
 
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Hi. So I think in nearly 70 % it will be bluf. He jush wants to make hero to fold.
1: the bet size is too high.
2: no straight and flush.
3: preflop situation tells us that his hands come in bord in Just 15-20% or even less.
4: your hands will come in bord in thi same 15-20%.
So I think call is the Best hero can do.
Also can be raise all-in.
This seems way off to me. After V 3bets pre there are tons of pocket pairs in his range. How can you possibly say that V has no pair here on this river 70% of the time after 3 betting pre and triple barreling? Most Vs are giving up on K high here and not 3 betting AT-. We lose to any pocket pair (or chop vs 33), any 6x, any 2x, any 9x, and any flush (hearts came in). I understand he doesn't have many 2x (only A2s or 22) or 6x (A6s, 66) but all these combos add up. He could well think he's bluffing with a hand like 77, 88 or A6s and actually have the best hand. We are really bluff catching for stacks against an aggressive AJ+
 
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