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ph_il
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Silver Level
new stuff...
I have realized that i know a lot more about poker then the people i play with. They know how to play and they know terms like "pot odds" and such, but they dont understand the concept of it. They dont understand the math thats involved and how it plays a crucial part in the game. Luck Draws is how most of them play and they wonder why they lose so bad most of the time against me. even when they had "hella outs". I've tried explaining it to them; pot odds: how much the pot is being laid out to them if they call vs if the % chance of their hand hitting/winnging, but its hard to explain when people are so into winning on luck alone. So till then ill simply have to keep on taking money from them. Sure ive lost big pots when my KK didnt hold up to someone calling my PFR with Q2 (because it was suited and they chased) but its ok, because for every pot they've taken from me on luck alone, ive always come back and hit them 3x as hard when luck didnt play for them. True ive gotten lucky a number of times myself, but in all those times luck alone has never been my reason for playing in that hand at that moment. so in the end keep in mind that skill > luck in the long run. a chain of unlucky beats will only last for so long before skill play comes over the top.
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I have realized that i know a lot more about poker then the people i play with. They know how to play and they know terms like "pot odds" and such, but they dont understand the concept of it. They dont understand the math thats involved and how it plays a crucial part in the game. Luck Draws is how most of them play and they wonder why they lose so bad most of the time against me. even when they had "hella outs". I've tried explaining it to them; pot odds: how much the pot is being laid out to them if they call vs if the % chance of their hand hitting/winnging, but its hard to explain when people are so into winning on luck alone. So till then ill simply have to keep on taking money from them. Sure ive lost big pots when my KK didnt hold up to someone calling my PFR with Q2 (because it was suited and they chased) but its ok, because for every pot they've taken from me on luck alone, ive always come back and hit them 3x as hard when luck didnt play for them. True ive gotten lucky a number of times myself, but in all those times luck alone has never been my reason for playing in that hand at that moment. so in the end keep in mind that skill > luck in the long run. a chain of unlucky beats will only last for so long before skill play comes over the top.
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zoied
Rock Star
Silver Level
great advice, esspecially on the lay downs, i have done this as well and i am beginning to think kings should always be thrown away lol just kidding, i think my problem with kings is that i slow play them too much. anyways great advice keep up the good work.
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glm73
Rising Star
Bronze Level
My friends and family play a game called "Cosmic Encounters" - basically the goal is to dominate the universe. Each player is given an alien identity and each alien has some "power" that will let him/her bend the rules of the game.
What I find with this game is that no two sessions of this game are the same. The personalities of the other players and the cards and powers they have dictate the flow and the outcomes of the game.
I appreciate what philthy is saying and I think that Poker reflects that same reality. Each player brings something unique to the table. There are ways to achieve what you want to do using the tools you bring to the table, but you will probably never do it exactly the same as anyone else.
It is important to understand your opponent, your resources (chip stack, cards, etc), and to understand yourself.
What a cool game (reflects life in a lot of ways)
What I find with this game is that no two sessions of this game are the same. The personalities of the other players and the cards and powers they have dictate the flow and the outcomes of the game.
I appreciate what philthy is saying and I think that Poker reflects that same reality. Each player brings something unique to the table. There are ways to achieve what you want to do using the tools you bring to the table, but you will probably never do it exactly the same as anyone else.
It is important to understand your opponent, your resources (chip stack, cards, etc), and to understand yourself.
What a cool game (reflects life in a lot of ways)
dude
Rising Star
Bronze Level
nice posts philly!
A friend of mine went totally broke on online poker rooms,
he know moved back to his parents and his life is a total mess!
think twice before you start betting on big tables
tip: when you're new to the network, play freerolls to gain money for the money tables, that way you don't need to deposit any money
A friend of mine went totally broke on online poker rooms,
he know moved back to his parents and his life is a total mess!
think twice before you start betting on big tables
tip: when you're new to the network, play freerolls to gain money for the money tables, that way you don't need to deposit any money
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km3_16
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Those are some really great tips philthy. Made me think twice about how Iwas walking and playin in a casino. I am by no means even close to what u would call a decent player but maybe i act like it sometimes. Thanks for that post!!!
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EnlightenUp
Rising Star
Bronze Level
"1. You dont have to justify your style of play/the hand you played."
Not to the other player you don't. But to yourself.
"That's poker." Something you hear all the time when someone has a brutal beat put on them, or they put the aforementioned beat on an opponent. You will get lucky at times. But it's important to learn from your mistakes. When the angry opponent asks, "How could you call a raise with that garbage?", don't feel pressured to answer him, but you should have an answer for yourself. "Well, I played the hand because I had position, I knew my outs were clean, and he would pay me off with a marginal hand should I connect." is an acceptable answer- "Sometimes I just get a feeling about that 6-4 suited" is not.
Phillthy, excellent post. I hope everyone got alot of of it. I just hope they don't take rule 1 the wrong way- learning from your mistakes is the best way to improve.
Not to the other player you don't. But to yourself.
"That's poker." Something you hear all the time when someone has a brutal beat put on them, or they put the aforementioned beat on an opponent. You will get lucky at times. But it's important to learn from your mistakes. When the angry opponent asks, "How could you call a raise with that garbage?", don't feel pressured to answer him, but you should have an answer for yourself. "Well, I played the hand because I had position, I knew my outs were clean, and he would pay me off with a marginal hand should I connect." is an acceptable answer- "Sometimes I just get a feeling about that 6-4 suited" is not.
Phillthy, excellent post. I hope everyone got alot of of it. I just hope they don't take rule 1 the wrong way- learning from your mistakes is the best way to improve.
woodsy44
Rock Star
Silver Level
[QUOTE=EnlightenUp "Sometimes I just get a feeling about that 6-4 suited" is not.
Im sorry but this answer is acceptable to some people i think. i have made a call many times with my gut feeling / instinct and a lot of times i have gotten my card.
Dont take shots at me and a few others because we are a bit psychic and you are not.
Im sorry but this answer is acceptable to some people i think. i have made a call many times with my gut feeling / instinct and a lot of times i have gotten my card.
Dont take shots at me and a few others because we are a bit psychic and you are not.
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ph_il
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Silver Level
hey sorry i havent posted in hella long. im currently going through military training...as soon as i finish and get to tech school, you'll be hearing a lot more from me. oh.. and no poker for me for almost 3 months..lol.
take care all and keep playing.
take care all and keep playing.
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stealth90
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I avoid king , queen little kicker unless suited. I actually prefer a connected mid or low suited cards like 56spades or 89hearts then k2off or similar.
like philthy said if its a blind and not alot of players then maybe
like philthy said if its a blind and not alot of players then maybe
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ph_il
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Silver Level
hey yo!
im back...
...i just havent played any poker in a while so, no real strats. i will be answer questions and comments and what not.
uh..im currently in fort meade, MD and going to school for Video Production Documentary. (combat camera, interviews, training vids, etc.)
had a great time in basic, have a blast here, good to be back.
and im glad people are still reading this thread...lol...
im back...
...i just havent played any poker in a while so, no real strats. i will be answer questions and comments and what not.
uh..im currently in fort meade, MD and going to school for Video Production Documentary. (combat camera, interviews, training vids, etc.)
had a great time in basic, have a blast here, good to be back.
and im glad people are still reading this thread...lol...
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Luske
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hey
First time poster - long time player
I've been reading your thoughts on strategy, and I think it's mostly sound advice for beginners.
One thing I have to comment on is the "tough lay-downs"
If your objective is to play - and get better at - winning poker, it just doesn't make sense to lay down 8s over 7s boat with 88 in the hole. The way that hand played out, there was any number of likely hands she could be holding - a middle pair, K, 8 or an ace high, which would still make you the winner. Even a stone cold bluff is likely heads-up in a tourney, depending on your read on her. The most UNlikely, based on the play, were 7 or KK.
Now you laid down, you were beaten, good for you. But in poker strategy terms I think you made a very bad decision.
What it boils down to is that you made a decision on "gut feeling" - not sound poker analysis. Gut feeling is the enemy of a winning poker player. It's what makes fish fish and chasers chase.
If your hand is 99% sure to win the pot, make the call! You may get one bad beat from the quads, but you'll win the next 99 hands. That's what winning poker is all about.
In general, I don't understand what's so great about "tough lay-down-on-gut-feeling" stories. They didn't make you any money. They certainly didn't teach you any poker strategy. And they seem to overshadow the other 99 times you folded the near-nuts to a cold bluff or a smaller boat.
If you'd gotten a bad beat, you could say "I made the right play and got outdrawn". With "tough lay-down-on-gut-feeling" stories, you can say "I made the wrong play and got lucky"
Sorry if my $.02 sounds a little tough. It's one of my pet peeves. As mentioned, I like most of the advice.
First time poster - long time player
I've been reading your thoughts on strategy, and I think it's mostly sound advice for beginners.
One thing I have to comment on is the "tough lay-downs"
If your objective is to play - and get better at - winning poker, it just doesn't make sense to lay down 8s over 7s boat with 88 in the hole. The way that hand played out, there was any number of likely hands she could be holding - a middle pair, K, 8 or an ace high, which would still make you the winner. Even a stone cold bluff is likely heads-up in a tourney, depending on your read on her. The most UNlikely, based on the play, were 7 or KK.
Now you laid down, you were beaten, good for you. But in poker strategy terms I think you made a very bad decision.
What it boils down to is that you made a decision on "gut feeling" - not sound poker analysis. Gut feeling is the enemy of a winning poker player. It's what makes fish fish and chasers chase.
If your hand is 99% sure to win the pot, make the call! You may get one bad beat from the quads, but you'll win the next 99 hands. That's what winning poker is all about.
In general, I don't understand what's so great about "tough lay-down-on-gut-feeling" stories. They didn't make you any money. They certainly didn't teach you any poker strategy. And they seem to overshadow the other 99 times you folded the near-nuts to a cold bluff or a smaller boat.
If you'd gotten a bad beat, you could say "I made the right play and got outdrawn". With "tough lay-down-on-gut-feeling" stories, you can say "I made the wrong play and got lucky"
Sorry if my $.02 sounds a little tough. It's one of my pet peeves. As mentioned, I like most of the advice.
Nick
CC
Administrator
Hi Luske,
Glad you took the time to register and post, your comments are very good indeed and I've given you some positive reputation for making them. I'm sure philthy will reply to this thread very soon but he's been in military training so he hasn't been around that much. In the mean time feel free to contribute in other areas of the forum.
Glad you took the time to register and post, your comments are very good indeed and I've given you some positive reputation for making them. I'm sure philthy will reply to this thread very soon but he's been in military training so he hasn't been around that much. In the mean time feel free to contribute in other areas of the forum.
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saculetz
Rising Star
Bronze Level
thanks for the post. most of the things u mentioned here are true. i`m not really positive about one or two things u wrote here, but as i dont have such a large experience, i dont want to argue. i will have to learn them the hard way, most likely loosing some money 
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i wish u the best of luck.
)i wish u the best of luck.