I think poker can satisfy a lot of kind of people, that one wants to win by knowledge, that one wants to win by luck without knowledge, the pros and that in evolution to be a pro. I think poker may be a gambling or not, it depends on players point of view. What is your opinion about it?

Originally Posted by frnandoh

I think poker can satisfy a lot of kind of people, that one wants to win by knowledge, that one wants to win by luck without knowledge, the pros and that in evolution to be a pro. I think poker may be a gambling or not, it depends on players point of view. What is your opinion about it?

Thank U 4 Posting.

Poker is always gambling. Gambling is determined by placing a wager on the outcome of an event.
Being good at gambling is knowing the odds of an outcome and betting proportionally. You could be good at gambling at any game so long as the odds were correct on your bets.

That is the difference between good poker and poorly played poker. Correct odds for actions vs incorrect actions for odds.

No matter which actions you choose it as all gambling. That is why AA gets cracked by 22 for stacks preflop.

Hope this helps

I think that even in chess a gambler can play for money.

Indeed poker contains gambling since any strategy game with a luck factor devolves into gambling as skill edges narrow down which is why game selection is super important long term

hi there
I think that poker is not a simple matter of gambling
This is for dices, roulette ect
Poker has in itself various things to be considered before placing a bet
Rgds

Originally Posted by eetenor

Poker is always gambling. Gambling is determined by placing a wager on the outcome of an event.
Being good at gambling is knowing the odds of an outcome and betting proportionally. You could be good at gambling at any game so long as the odds were correct on your bets.

That is the difference between good poker and poorly played poker. Correct odds for actions vs incorrect actions for odds.

It depends on your definition of gambling, and the highlighted portion of the quote represents one definition.

If there is an element of skill involved then the outcome of the bet is less than pure random chance. The more skill involved, the less of a gamble.

Games like poker, backgammon, bridge, billiards, golf can all be played for money, and all have a skill component, and they fall on a spectrum. "Time and chance happens to them all"

by Ambrose Bierce
The gambling known as business looks with austere disfavor upon the business known as gambling

I don't mind making bets where the mere fact that I make the bet means that I increase my chances of winning -- so called "bluffing"

I dislike taking a chance on things where I have no measure of control over the outcome.

I don't mind making bets where the payout is greater than the odds

and "May the Odds be Ever in your Favour"

Whatever, for me it's entertainment.

Originally Posted by frnandoh

I think poker can satisfy a lot of kind of people, that one wants to win by knowledge, that one wants to win by luck without knowledge, the pros and that in evolution to be a pro. I think poker may be a gambling or not, it depends on players point of view. What is your opinion about it?

Great question bro! I think i've had this discussion with every girlfriend i've ever had. " Well its gambling " usually comes up if im in a downswing. And they're correct... it is absolutely gambling. When you're playing at the highest level I feel like you've taken a big percentage of the gamble away. You're playing long term gains blah blah.

Now I tell people it's still gambling but the more you know about the game the higher your percentage is to win. That usually satisfies non poker players as an answer... you can't do that at slots.

gam·ble
/ˈɡambəl/
verb
gerund or present participle: gambling

• 1.play games of chance for money; bet.

Well, Poker is partially a game of skill and partially a game of chance, you can classify it as gambling if you want but it is a grey area.

I consider poker gambling using a literal definition. The mere fact that some players are able to attain a positive expectation does not mean they're not gambling. In that sense, even casinos are "gambling" against the players.

To give an example: Imagine a billionaire offered to give you AA against his any two cards, and would go all in heads up pre-flop. The only condition: you have to wager your entire house, car, assets, net worth, etc. and you cannot purchase insurance. Would you take this bet?

Poker is a game of incomplete information, and has multiple betting sessions incorporated by design.
Strategy was developed to increase a player's odds of making a profit over a long period of time.
Using a strategy, regardless of how good it is, does not take gambling out of poker.

Poker is a gamble. Any game that you are wagering against odds of hitting a winning hand is a gamble. Regardless if you are playing with play money or real money it is a gable. Well at least to me it would be.

Poker like life is a gamble --

Originally Posted by eetenor

Thank U 4 Posting.

Poker is always gambling. Gambling is determined by placing a wager on the outcome of an event.
Being good at gambling is knowing the odds of an outcome and betting proportionally. You could be good at gambling at any game so long as the odds were correct on your bets.

That is the difference between good poker and poorly played poker. Correct odds for actions vs incorrect actions for odds.

No matter which actions you choose it as all gambling. That is why AA gets cracked by 22 for stacks preflop.

Hope this helps

Thanks! Based on what you said, do you think investings on stock market is gambling too?

Originally Posted by venycyos

Whatever, for me it's entertainment.

Everytime, everywhere, ever.

Originally Posted by CriesuaID

gam·ble
/ˈɡambəl/
verb
gerund or present participle: gambling

• 1.play games of chance for money; bet.

Well, Poker is partially a game of skill and partially a game of chance, you can classify it as gambling if you want but it is a grey area.

Well... What would it be "ge of chance"?

Originally Posted by zinzir

Poker is a game of incomplete information, and has multiple betting sessions incorporated by design.
Strategy was developed to increase a player's odds of making a profit over a long period of time.
Using a strategy, regardless of how good it is, does not take gambling out of poker.

I learn to comprehend "gambling" like a bet unconsidering long term profitability.

Poker is gambling at least in terms of the definition of the word gambling. The difference with poker and most other casino games (aside from blackjack) and sports betting etc is the skill element, players can improve their game and chances of success through study.

Luckily for UK poker players 'gambling' winnings are tax free and currently the UK government classes poker as gambling so therefore UK players do not currently pay tax on poker winnings. This could change though as there has been on/off rumours that the government are looking into re-categorizing poker as a game of skill and therefore winnings/earnings would be taxable.

Las Vegas is the land of gambling
so poker is also a game of chance

Not for me, poker is a sport where you have to pay to play just like in tennis, nobody considers a tennis player a bettor and yet they at the ITF must pay an inscription for me that is poker you must pay a buys -in to play but that does not take away the characteristic that it is a sport

Hi mate .Yes it is, but you need skills and strategies to play it.

Originally Posted by frnandoh

Thanks! Based on what you said, do you think investings on stock market is gambling too?

Thank U 4 Responding.

There is gambling on stocks for the same reason. If you are buying a stock based on the outcome of a single event, say the success of a new drug for a drug company. You are gambling on a single event. In the stock market they call it speculation, it is just gambling.

Investing in startup companies is not investing as much as gambling. The single event is will the startup go public or be bought out.

Investing means supporting a company financially that has proven success to expand that success. When you are investing you should be looking for solid maintained growth that can be replicated for several years going forward. Not for a single event that will get the stock price to jump.

As an interesting point because most CEOs are payed on stock performance, most "investments" in the stock market are gambles. Companies have done away with dividends which are good for stock holders and moved to stock price value which is good for speculators "stock traders" and their friends the CEOs.

People shy away from using the word gamble as it has a societal taboo to it. Poker players even in this thread have suggested because they can play in a way that gives them positive odds that it is not gambling. Again because of the societal taboo. You yourself suggested that not playing well was gambling but playing well was not. If that were true you would never lose when you play well. That happens all the time.

If you are are all in 70% to 30% you are gambling. If you are 100% to win the hand there is no gamble anymore you are just extracting money. The other player is gambling on the fact that you are not 100% to win.

It is not necessary to agree with me because we are discussing the subjective definition of a word.
Unless of course you are often tilting because you are losing when you have AA or flop a set and lose to runner runner. If you stop for a moment and think, ohhh yaaa I was gambling and when you gamble it means you can still lose.

Hope this helps

Originally Posted by frnandoh

I think poker can satisfy a lot of kind of people, that one wants to win by knowledge, that one wants to win by luck without knowledge, the pros and that in evolution to be a pro. I think poker may be a gambling or not, it depends on players point of view. What is your opinion about it?

depends on attitude, but definetely there is something from gambling, u may have just only bad hands, but you can play them still

Hi.
I think it is an individual question for each player. For me, poker is a hobby that I enjoy. I play for fun, money is just a nice bonus for me.
Good luck.

I have always looked at it as gambling, as you are risking money. There is a distinction as you are playing against the table and not the house. That is preferable for me.

Poker is a form of gambling. The thing is that the player can decide how much he wants to be gambling (making bets or raises or calls) and when he doesn't feel like participating in the gambe (folding). Some people are better in this than others.

Originally Posted by frnandoh

I learn to comprehend "gambling" like a bet unconsidering long term profitability.

I don't know where you learned that definition of gambling from. Personally, I have never heard or seen it that way.

As far as I know, gambling is just the activity of placing a bet on an uncertain outcome. It has nothing to do with short or long term profitability.

I think your understanding is that the more astute you become at using a poker strategy, the less you are gambling, and poker becomes more like chess. That, in my opinion, is wishful thinking. Poker is poker, and gambling is part of it, and no matter how much you study you still have to gamble four times each hand you are playing: before the flop, before the turn, before the river, and after the river.

You can make a fortune as a great poker player, but you would still be gambling four times each hand you are playing.

some say that this is a game of mind and gaming skills and good luck, but for me a poker game is a game of chance in which they play for money, today you win the odds and tomorrow you lose, I consider this game to be a gamble!

Poker is more game of skill than a luck, if it were gambling many proffesionals coudn't get to point they really did

You ask - is poker a game of chance or not, my answer is yes, it is a game of chance !!! But what games do you think are not gambling ??? In any game there is a winner and a loser in football, hockey and basketball, in any game there is excitement, that is, the desire to win !!! For me, the question is not whether poker is a gamble or not, but whether I can learn to win STABLE !!! I think the answer is obvious - poker is a game of skill !!!

Poker is definitely gambling. You do not have all the information and betting on what you think is the expected outcome.

Would be the same with any other game if you wagered on it. Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, Chutes and Ladders. If you make a wager based on what you perceive the outcome to be, its gambling.

Hi. I think poker is a skill game with a high chance component. If I didn't have random components, I wouldn't be present in the casinos (or is there chess in the casinos?).

100% gambling, if it wasn't then all of us degenerates wouldn't be playing it.

Gamblers play any old odds, they gamble.
If poker is played correctly you are always trying to be in a hand when the odds are in your favor.

any sport is a passion. The spirit of competition is present. And there is also motivation in the form of money

It is believed, that poker is a gamble. But I think, that in general poker is an intellectual game.

Since this game is banned in many countries I think that poker refers to gambling entertainment. But this is strictly my personal opinion.

Answering your question, I think of poker as a gambling game and at the same time a sport since not only luck influences but also the knowledge you have of it. But you touched on a very important subject, do you think that there really are those who win at poker only by instinct without having any knowledge of poker books or studying their modalities anyway?

Yes

I think that poker is a very peculiar and amazing game that combines elements of knowledge, psychology (when playing live), and ordinary random luck. That is why this game is very popular and differs from the game, for example, in chess. Where only mental abilities, memory, mathematical calculation, etc. are important. Or from another game where luck is present more than other components. So you need to learn to play and catch luck by the tail !!

Poker is a game of skill.

All games for money are gambling, and poker is no exception

It is as soon as money is entered into the picture. That is true in any event where money is place where there is a determination of a winner. If I bet a friend on which one of us could catch a bigger fish, that would also be gambling.

depending on it is true that some play luck as if it were a game of chance but there are also studious people and great avilities for the game so for me it is a game of knowledge and strategies

I believe that any game, even a children's one, can become a gamble if the players decide so. So obviously it depends on who is playing. For me, poker is an opportunity to have fun and have a good time.

Poker is a game of luck, endurance and intuitive skill.

Poker is a game of chance! It is my firm belief, based on numerous observations over the many years that I play this game. If it was an era of skill and knowledge, tournaments would be won in a row by those who have better studied the theory and all the poker subtleties. Even those who is at the top of the poker Olympus, they often lose in major tournaments than they win. And you will not refuse knowledge and skill!

I think that poker is a 100% gambling game, because you play it for money and in order to win even more money. In my opinion, any money game is gambling.

Poker is a game of chance. And there is no doubt about it.

surely anything you can win and lose money on is classed as gambling, i agree that poker is a game of skill but the fact money is involved would class it as gambling in my eyes

Gambling (also known as betting) is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. With this in mind you can decide.