Playing the same people

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buckshot40

Enthusiast
I play between 1/2 and 2/4 NL at a major site. I was doing very well for quite some time but now, whenever I sit down I end up with the same few people who constantly hammer me. If I raise pre-flop they always triple my raise, if I call or re-raise they always smoke me. I have changed up my style and still can't ever beat these guys. It isn't possible that they always have something but every time I look them up they do. I'll have AK and hit an ace and they'll have a set of 3's.

Also, they always throw a big continuation bet out there if I don't hit but they check when I hit. How in the hell do they know when I have something every time? They make the right move even when they're first to act. How can a guy who always makes a big continuation bet check when he's first to act and I flop a monster?

WTF am I supposed to do? Quit? Has anybody ever changed their name?

Here is today and yesterday:

Same old same old. I have 2,3 off on the button and limp. He has 4,4 on the bb and checks. I turn a 6 high straight, he goes all in and hits the boat on the river.

It must be a law that I can't beat that guy. I can't even sit down for 20 minutes w/o him catchiing against me.

If you have to fold the best hand there really is no reason to play. I quit working and was making a good living playing but these two or three guys are ****ing everything up and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Yesterday I had 7,7 and the flop was 7,9,9. He bets $60 so I know he has a 9 and I also know that he never folds anything so I go all in. He has 9,10 and hits the 10 on the river. I guess I have to fold when I flop a boat too.
 
Makwa

Makwa

Undesirable Predator
I know the feeling... certain people can get your number over time. My solution was to focus more on game selection, look for softer tables, and avoid the players who kept ruining my day. It gets to be a pattern if you keep butting heads; go fishing at another spot for a while and then come back when you feel stronger. Its not being chicken, its saving yourself from playing bad because they have you psyched (for now).... Those last 2 stories are just bad beats, but now you have associated them with the players, and you are spooked, u have to get over that...
 
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buckshot40

Enthusiast
I've decided to cool down and take a week off. Maybe do some fishing and watch some baseball. Next Wednesday I'll probably hit AC and regain my confidence.
 
rileyl

rileyl

Rock Star
Lol hate to break it too you buddy but I'm pretty sure you're a big fish at the stakes you play and these waiting lists are people just wanting to play with you. I suggest working on your game at lower levels and improving some obvious weaknesses.
 
smd173

smd173

Cardschat Elite
OP, don't play those guys. Duh.

There are plenty of other sites with 1/2 and 2/4, go play on those, get your mojo back. And remember that variance happens.
 
rileyl

rileyl

Rock Star
OP, don't play those guys. Duh.

There are plenty of other sites with 1/2 and 2/4, go play on those, get your mojo back. And remember that variance happens.

Please don't tell OP to play those stakes.

Anyone who limps 32 on the button in an unopen pot should NOT be playing those stakes.
 
Makwa

Makwa

Undesirable Predator
Don't think I ever have limped on the button in an unraised pot...nope NEVER

OK I understand this but the Kid also reasons that if u raise and get called u r out of position for the hand and have just wasted some chips; I also see the +EV argument for raising but think about Danny's reasoning sometimes too...

I've decided to cool down and take a week off. Maybe do some fishing and watch some baseball. Next Wednesday I'll probably hit AC and regain my confidence.

Good plan.

Lol hate to break it too you buddy but I'm pretty sure you're a big fish at the stakes you play and these waiting lists are people just wanting to play with you. I suggest working on your game at lower levels and improving some obvious weaknesses.

Yes your play as described here needs work.... the limp with garbage is one example...

Again looks like simple bad beats otherwise, but when one or 2 players at a table beat u a few times it gets into your head. Main job is to get past the personal stuff, and zone in on your game itself.

What do yr numbers look like?
 
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buckshot40

Enthusiast
Please don't tell OP to play those stakes.

Anyone who limps 32 on the button in an unopen pot should NOT be playing those stakes.

You're acting like I play that every time, I don't. I was on the button and this guy (who is always pushing all in) was on the BB. I wasn't worried about losing $2.00, I was hoping to break him with very little risk (and I should have). If he has top pair, he's all in. I was able to make a straight for $2.00, if anything he's the fish. My point is that he's always involved in big pots so it was worth it to risk $2.00 to win $200.

I think I'm going to switch to 9 man tables so I don't have to play so many hands.
 
rileyl

rileyl

Rock Star
OK I understand this but the Kid also reasons that if u raise and get called u r out of position for the hand and have just wasted some chips

[x] We are on the button
[ ] Understands that this means we always have position
 
rileyl

rileyl

Rock Star
You're acting like I play that every time, I don't. I was on the button and this guy (who is always pushing all in) was on the BB. I wasn't worried about losing $2.00, I was hoping to break him with very little risk (and I should have). If he has top pair, he's all in. I was able to make a straight for $2.00, if anything he's the fish. My point is that he's always involved in big pots so it was worth it to risk $2.00 to win $200.

Seriously do what you want, but I can guarantee you you're the fish at those stakes. TBH you're probably a fish at 10NL.
 
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buckshot40

Enthusiast
Seriously do what you want, but I can guarantee you you're the fish at those stakes. TBH you're probably a fish at 10NL.

I appreciate the critique. I've done well over the last six months and have probably gotten off of my game because of my familiarity with my opponents. Also, I'm a smart guy and if everybody agrees that what I did was stupid I'm not going to continue to defend it.

I will say that this guy is the same one who called my A,K pre-flop raise w/ Q,5s and busted me when he caught runner runner to make the wheel after I continued to press after hitting the ace. I was probably still on tilt and he's really pissing me off.

These guys seriously play raggedy rags all the time even if there's a raise. I'm not going to call an all-in with A,K when the flop is rags, I'll fold it.
 
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buckshot40

Enthusiast
What site you play at? Screen Name?

I'm not giving that up, I'd rather have somewhere to chat and say what I really thing and not give info to opponents.

For example, I just watched a bunch of your hands and know that you'll go all in on a stone cold bluff w/ A,7 off and that you'll call a pre-flop raise for 12% of your stack with 10,7 off when you're on the SB.
 
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Ecomdan

Rock Star
I haven't had that problem online, but there are a few guys I play with live who always hold over me and always suck out or hit their draws when I flop the best hand. Doesn't seem to matter if I have them dominated, they just always seem to catch a lucky card. I just try to stay out of pots with them for the most part.
 
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pokermanplym

Enthusiast
yeah mate might be using bots or something because ive ran into that a couple of times try switchin up limits or poker sites may help a bit
 
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baudib1

Legend
IMO, and I don't play these stakes, there is no way you're going to be a long-term winner at NL200 with the mindset displayed in OP.
 
atlantafalcons0

atlantafalcons0

Legend
My advice would be to move down in stakes.

Change up your game, get super tight.
 
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JEP712

Visionary
I'm not giving that up, I'd rather have somewhere to chat and say what I really thing and not give info to opponents.

For example, I just watched a bunch of your hands and know that you'll go all in on a stone cold bluff w/ A,7 off and that you'll call a pre-flop raise for 12% of your stack with 10,7 off when you're on the SB.

Hahaha, feels kinda tense. I'm sure he just wanted to see your game play and give you some advice.
 
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