Platinum At Long Last!

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Well at long last I managed to achieve Platinum Status on Stars.

I have been building up to it for a while now, but everytime I make a concerted effort I have had to abort to preserve my bankroll. Anyways I have been experimenting 12-14 tabling this month and I decided to give it a go. I only started in the 3rd week of the month and I managed to get in 45k hands, which is roughly what is required at $50nl 6max.

OK my bankroll for the month hasn't increased by much, in fact I was pretty much break even thanks to a horrendous run over the last 4k hands :rolleyes:, but I have at least achieved some personal goals. I now believe I can go on from here and hopefully play between 75-100k hands per month if I feel like it. That in itself should bring along with it a wagon load of FPP's and hopefully Supernova status, so here's to my next goal :D.
 

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monster!

Congrats, and on your 500th post nonetheless :)

I envy you. I've come up like <2k points short for the last 3 months or so.
 
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Nice job! How you guys play that many tables is baffling.
 
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Cheers guys. Yes Chuck, I thought I'd save the 500th post for something special :D.

Maybe I'll make the 1000th post a Supernova one! Or maybe the 1k post will be 'Don't go busto for Supernova' :(
 
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Good job and congrats on 500 posts!
 
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Or maybe the 1k post will be 'Don't go busto for Supernova' :(


lol. Well if you continue to hit Platinum every moth you'll have it by the end of the year. Now Supernova Elite...

I think I figured out that at the rate I play 12-tabling I'd have to average 28 hours a day or something literally impossible to make it.
 
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Supernova Elite, well it's certainly possible playing 100nl. I think you need to play in the region of 150k - 200k hands/month. Much more doable at 200nl though :D. There is one guy who is on track to hit SNE, playing 3/6 LHE :eek:.
 
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Supernova Elite, well it's certainly possible playing 100nl. I think you need to play in the region of 150k - 200k hands/month. Much more doable at 200nl though :D. There is one guy who is on track to hit SNE, playing 3/6 LHE :eek:.

Actually about 220k hands/month at 100nl according to a post on 2+2 someone from here linked to about VPPs/hand.


Of course that's a bit under 55k hands/week which for me is about 65 hours/week 12-tabling. I cannot imagine 12-tabling for 65 hours a week for the entire year (yes exactly 0 weeks off, or else some of the other weeks would have to be 70-75 hours in a week).
 
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Zach, get yourself onto 6max. On average, depending on table/playing style, 100nl 6max should earn 0.4vpps/hand. So 400vpps/1k hands. 200k hands/month should easily see this through to SNE. The SNE thread on 2+2 is insane. I think most sne 100nl and 200nl players are 24 tabling, 2k hands/hr easy :D.
 
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So is supernova (forget elite, hah) basically just a result of accumulating 100k fpps during the year, or is there a monthly quota you have to reach? I can't seem to find the info on stars...

Oh, ps my mic fixed itself :rolleyes:. I did a system restore to yesterday and it did the trick, so pm me when you want to play later tonight.
 
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It's just 100k vpps over the year, no montly quota.

/Mr. Supernova.
 
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OK my bankroll for the month hasn't increased by much, in fact I was pretty much break even thanks to a horrendous run over the last 4k hands :rolleyes:, but I have at least achieved some personal goals.

Congrats on Platinum, but cold hard cash has got to be the main consideration with the accumulated FPP/VPPs a welcome bonus, surely? So many people seem to have it the other way round. :confused:
 
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Zach, get yourself onto 6max. On average, depending on table/playing style, 100nl 6max should earn 0.4vpps/hand. So 400vpps/1k hands. 200k hands/month should easily see this through to SNE. The SNE thread on 2+2 is insane. I think most sne 100nl and 200nl players are 24 tabling, 2k hands/hr easy :D.

holy shit. Well I've had friends tell me 6-max is where the money is and all that jazz so I've done stints there, but my results were absolutely horrible. First off I can't even do as many tables (and how someone can 24-table at 6max is beyond me) and even when I cut back on tables I just had a lot of trouble. There are just so many more loose players and for example I ended up playing for stacks with TT preflop against an absolute maniac. He had undercards. So obviously when you get those people it's not that difficult, but I've had trouble with with the slightly less aggressive players but still way more aggressive than anything you'll find at FR. At FR you can sit back and wait for a hand but 6max first off the blinds will hurt you more second off even though people are raising and sometimes 3-betting extremely light, it seemed they played extremely passive when I took any action, thus making it difficult to extract value. Now as I said I only played a few sessions, but I had a really hard time there and I've had pretty good success at full ring, so I may try another session or two again soon to see how it is, but I'm pretty sure I'll stick to full ring.

Oh and you sure the 6max 100nl doesn't earn more? The 2+2 thread I mentioned earlier has 100nl FR earning 0.38 VPPs/hand. From what I saw in 6max there was a lot lighter raising and 3-betting, and considering a standard raise with one caller would make the pot $8 and give everyone a VPP, I'd think it was closer to 0.5 VPPs/hand. But I guess I'd trust people who play there over my guesses.
 
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Yep there were several posters who debated the point on the 100nl 6max, some were getting 0.35 and some were getting a lot closer to 0.5vpp/hand. Thats sort of why I took the 0.4 as a conservative guess I suppose. Also Zach, I think a lot of the 24 tablers are FR, but there are some 6max. Also I know the hard core LHE players are only 12 tabling at 6max, which is understandable. There are some trying to get to SNE playing 2/4 LHE.

RobWHUFC - The benefits of SNE should not be underestimated. It can basically work out at a rakeback deal of min 50% depending on the stakes you play etc. It has been worked out that the minimum amount earned in rakeback ( ie FPPS cashing them in etc ) if you achieve SNE, is approx $110,000. When you think that's it's theoretically possible to achieve this playing 100nl, 2/4LHE or $50 sng's then thats a fairly attractive proposition.
 
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RobWHUFC - The benefits of SNE should not be underestimated. It can basically work out at a rakeback deal of min 50% depending on the stakes you play etc. It has been worked out that the minimum amount earned in rakeback ( ie FPPS cashing them in etc ) if you achieve SNE, is approx $110,000. When you think that's it's theoretically possible to achieve this playing 100nl, 2/4LHE or $50 sng's then thats a fairly attractive proposition.


But unless you can get a decent profit that's not even that good. You have to assume most are losing money, just obviously not 110k/year, so they end up with a net positive. If someone can 12-table 50nl and win 5 BB/100 and play 160k hands/month (I'm going at 1k hands/hour, 40 hours a week thus about 160/month), that comes out to about 100k/year. If you are just supernova and not sne, you get .23*3.5=.805 FPPs/hand. At 1.92 million hands, that's 1,545,600 FPPs and that adds an extra 23k+. So by just playing a normal amount at 50nl multi-tabling you could theoretically win about 123k/year. I'd take that over sacrificing my life to make sne and probably not even be a very good poker player.
 
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But unless you can get a decent profit that's not even that good.
Agreed, paying $220,000 in rake to get $110,000 back in VPP bonuses is hardly a enticing proposition. And if you reach Supernova elite without making a profit, then $110,000 is a paltry amount for all of the effort involved - I earn more per hour of return for much, much less effort.

You'd have to hope that anyone with the ability and the drive to reach Supernova elite would make a significant amount of profit before VPP's are factored in (and if it take almost 2 million hands, it should be significant. If not then they would earn an awful lot more in other occupations if they have that level of intelligence and dedication.
 
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For these guys who are micro/ss players trying to achieve SNE, they work on break even - small profit figures. There goal is solely the perks of SNE. One guy admits that he plays average poker when he 4-6 tables and he's not a lot worse when he plays 24 tables, so I can see his ppoint. He's never gonna beat the game at 200nl for 5ptbb, so he grinds and takes full advantage of the perks of SNE.

Also Zach - I think players who can consistenly win at a rate of 5ptbb/100 at 100nl playing 160k hands a month are really few and far between. It's one thing winning at that rate over 30k hands a month but seriously, I don't see that many graphs on 2+2 with that amount of volume, just my opinion.

Rob - if your earning £50-60k a year good luck to you. I would love to earn that much and if I could do that playing poker, sitting on the settee, working at my own pace whatever hours I wanted to, for 30-40 hours a week then I would'nt mind the grind in all honesty.

Anyways, it's just interesting to see other peoples poker goals, some have regular goals like improvement and attaining a high ptbb (quality) whilst others have Volume based goals.
 
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