Negreanu or Polk - Who tarnished their reputation more?

[love that omaha]

So credit to Daniel for playing Doug Polk at all but he just gave his money away at the end of several sessions, a couple times he could've booked 80k victory after 2 or 3 hours and instead lost 200k or more.
As far as Doug Polk, challenging Negreanu, Bill Perkins and now Hellmuth to online duels is like me taking money from my grandpa. If he were willing to play half the sessions live half online he would probably lose to Hellmuth and maybe Negreanu. Would love to see Isildur Ivey or Antonius challenge him to put up 2 million and see his response. Always liked Polk till he started this weak stuff must be desperate.

 

[LadderingUp]

I dont think anyone tarnished their rep.

 

[myquickwit]

Daniel has tarnished his reputation. He can't beat Phil. He couldn't compete against Polk. That was a massacre. I don't understand how polk damaged his credit? Daniel says phil can't beat him. Then he loses. Again he says phil can't beat him, loses again. Daniel says Polk can't win with a limping strategy and decides to tank against a strategy he says polk can't win with. I have lost respect for daniel. He use to be my favorite player.

 

[Jrobbz10]

Polk vs Negreanu

I still love Daniel's style and his methods. He still brings a little bit of the "old school poker" to the felt where as Polk is strictly a GTO guy. Daniel gets frustrated because it seems like there is always a right answer for poker nowadays when 20 years ago it was simply the man with the best strategy and gameplay. I follow a lot of Daniel's material as well as Doug's. Each of them bring value to the table but the GTO strategy is more profitable in the long run which is why Doug wanted to play so many hands online because that is his forte. Let's be honest...if he sat at the table with Daniel for 2000 hands it would not be pretty for him. But all in all I love what they both bring to the game and to the beginners.

 

[dirk1966]

Well said. It seems some (not all) of the up and comers talk a lot of smack about being "the best" at this or that. I prefer "the best this time". The field has been populated with some amazing talents.

I still love Daniel's style and his methods. He still brings a little bit of the "old school poker" to the felt where as Polk is strictly a GTO guy. Daniel gets frustrated because it seems like there is always a right answer for poker nowadays when 20 years ago it was simply the man with the best strategy and gameplay. I follow a lot of Daniel's material as well as Doug's. Each of them bring value to the table but the GTO strategy is more profitable in the long run which is why Doug wanted to play so many hands online because that is his forte. Let's be honest...if he sat at the table with Daniel for 2000 hands it would not be pretty for him. But all in all I love what they both bring to the game and to the beginners.

 

[jeffman123]

Yeah, I think Daniel probably tarnished his reputation a little bit. Doug Polk definitely didn't. Him challenging Daniel to a heads-up duel is definitely not like you taking money from your grandpa, it's like Doug Polk challenging a poker pro who is under no obligation to accept the challenge. I don't think Doug did anything wrong. To me, the thing that made me stop liking Daniel Negreanu wasn't the fact that he lost, there's nothing wrong with that. I just didn't really like the way he handled it. Doug Polk was so much more professional, calm and collected than Daniel.

 

[Fida]

I still love Daniel's style and his methods. He still brings a little bit of the "old school poker" to the felt where as Polk is strictly a GTO guy. Daniel gets frustrated because it seems like there is always a right answer for poker nowadays when 20 years ago it was simply the man with the best strategy and gameplay. I follow a lot of Daniel's material as well as Doug's. Each of them bring value to the table but the GTO strategy is more profitable in the long run which is why Doug wanted to play so many hands online because that is his forte. Let's be honest...if he sat at the table with Daniel for 2000 hands it would not be pretty for him. But all in all I love what they both bring to the game and to the beginners.

I agree. I feel like Daniel learned a lot of GTO stuff from this challenge, though.

 

[neptun1914]

Negreanu and Polk had serious prehistory between them causing this duel. Emotions prevailed on Negreanu side to make him agree to play mostly online versus headsup specialist like Polk and he logically lost. I don't think that this tarnished his reputation seriously though. In my opinion his loss to Phil Hellmuth was much more embarrassing because now Daniel is in some kind of no man land. He lost to both new generation GTO influenced primarily online player like Polk and to old generation player like Phil. I think that he will need some time to recover from that.

 

[Jay R]

Daniel is overrated as a poker player. He seems to have endless money to lose & keeps playing rebuying rebuying. If we had his money we would have bracelets too. Often fields are small.
He’s good, but plays recklessly often.

 

[GARCIA PABLO DANIEL]

hello

It is very different to play online than sitting in a tournament, I think that there the great players have the advantage ... in online play they lose the perception of the opponent there is the secret !!!

 

[Shumkoolie]

Because Poker is a lifetime game, I don't think in the grand scheme of things it's going to affect Daniel all that much. If anything, it confirmed that Doug is a heads-up specialist that will be tough to beat over a large sample size.

With the challenge between Phil and Daniel, blinds went up, they played way fewer hands, so it's more tournament based, where the variance is higher. Losing to Phil doesn't really diminish anything as far as Daniel is concerned. If they played 100 heads-up matches, the final result would be close to 50-50, but probably no more than 60-40 to either guy.

So be careful not to draw too much parallels between the Daniel-Polk match and the Daniel-Phil match because they were two entirely different formats.