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ronshaks
Rising Star
Silver Level
erm i like, play one MTT at a time and yes, a lot of time i do spend it dozing off. but then again, i can't manage more than 1 table... must be old age ahahaah. my friends are telling me that i really need to grind to keep the wheels well-oiled and not die of boredom from online. maybe true, but i'm too stupid for that. yes, i've gotten numerous times over when nothing i play seem to go my way and bouts of losign streaks was the norm. there were periods when i had to stop playing for a week or two just to gather my self. having said that, i'm still at it... thankfully, i've still managed to stay in the black, albeit with diminishing results. but i guess for me it's more of a personal thing where i need to challenge myself with determination and persistence. and hopefully one day, i'll see the bright lights of wsop. until then, i would like to still think of myself as a work-in-progress... yeah... i may be dirt now, but one day i'll change into coal and den a diamond 
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ronshaks
Rising Star
Silver Level
actually, playing poker is kinda like life... some things or sometimes, you've just gotta rough it out regardless of how you're feeling. so when i'm feeling "dry" with poker, i have to switch my mind onto auto... move into small stakes or super micro mtts and put in the hours until things change around. It's a little like streaks.. honestly, I don't understand it mathematically, but i can swear that streaks do exist. and knowing how to ride the streaks means whether i'll be losing big or small.. as well as making a profit in the end of it all...
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sagiPOTM
Rock Star
Silver Level
rlly guys, I dont get it, why everyone when he had a bad day or days or whatever, he come to the forum and start trash talk about online poker :S if u dont like it, dont play it and dont flame it, because there are still guys who enjoin playing online poker.
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
Not necessarily the case. I had a extreme run good at the beginning of February, and almost immediately afterward, suffer a lack of interest in playing. That lack of interest may have contributed to a minor run bad for several weeks.
Goes to the point being that when we play while being disinterested we are not playing a sharp game.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
I think its actually pretty normal to be discouraged about online poker at the moment, if you're a US-based player. Not a lot to get excited about. Just the opposite actually. Seems like every week/month there is a new round of sites turning away US players. Those that do still accept US players have (usually) many problems. Small player pools, few tournaments, slow or non-existant cashouts, ridiculous cashout fees in some cases. Just more and more negatives all the time.
Now, with the government involved you just know its gonna get worse, too. What kind of cut do you think they will want from your profits for granting you the "priviledge" of playing online poker from the privacy of your own home? It's all very unfortunate because I actually do still enjoy the game, but I find I'm having to start seeing it as simply a pastime or hobby, not something that I feel I should put in the time to seriously study and improve my game because I just don't think there is much upside anytime soon for US players.
I guess I could justify it (study time, serious effort, major commitment, etc) if working on your online game would significantly improve your live game, but the two are so different that I don't think that's really the case. All-in-all, I just think it's a sad time right now for US-based online players, so feeling discouragement, a lack of motivation, whatever, is completely understandable.
Now, with the government involved you just know its gonna get worse, too. What kind of cut do you think they will want from your profits for granting you the "priviledge" of playing online poker from the privacy of your own home? It's all very unfortunate because I actually do still enjoy the game, but I find I'm having to start seeing it as simply a pastime or hobby, not something that I feel I should put in the time to seriously study and improve my game because I just don't think there is much upside anytime soon for US players.
I guess I could justify it (study time, serious effort, major commitment, etc) if working on your online game would significantly improve your live game, but the two are so different that I don't think that's really the case. All-in-all, I just think it's a sad time right now for US-based online players, so feeling discouragement, a lack of motivation, whatever, is completely understandable.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
Easy to say when you are not a US-based player, and don't have to put-up with all the BS that entails right now. Now, if things could or would somehow suddenly revert to pre-BF status for US players, you bet I be motivated to play poker again. Sadly I think that day is gone and likely to not return in anything resembling pre-BF form.
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Eddie Leeway
Rock Star
Silver Level
I've been frustrated as well, but I refuse to quit
I keep trying to tell myself it's just a bad run.... I'll be doing fine in an SnG until late hand a crucial hand comes and it always starts out with me having the better hand (whether I go all-in or not against another player) and EVERY TIME they catch river magic over me and suck out...or in a pre-flop all-in race someone calls me with a much weaker hand and somehow their luck comes and they suck out on me
So many different variables I cannot list them
I'm also fully aware that online poker is a completely different breed...it feels more like a video game the way monster hands come more often and simultaneously between players and skill will always overcome in the long run
The bad runs I've been through are the exact experiences that makes one think the game must be rigged....I refuse to believe this
I know a good amount of losing hands are from making some mistakes, but what I'm talking about are the steady and constant miracle catches that are getting dropped on me constantly. The ones that completely take me out of the game busting me
I honestly try not to race and go all-in on pre-flop with AK...I'll do it with AA though...it's become ridiculous it seems and I try to take time away and stick to FR's when it occurs because it's draining what small money I actually have
The other issue is the lack of US-friendly sites. Because this limits me I can't just cash out and try another site for a while either so you feel stuck and relegated to just a few locations
I refuse to give up...my skills may not be super, but I know enough to do well normally. The recent runs are what eats up my account. Otherwise I win 4 or more of every 10 SnG's and grind upwards. I take notes and I'm reading my adversaries well. I take all the information and input here into consideration and I've improved, and with these tools I'm staying where I am and not quitting
It may take a while for me to become a winner in a CardsChat FR because the community is more skillful than I am, but I do know I have what it takes to take on the fish and average players...I'm not going to let this discourage me into quitting
I keep trying to tell myself it's just a bad run.... I'll be doing fine in an SnG until late hand a crucial hand comes and it always starts out with me having the better hand (whether I go all-in or not against another player) and EVERY TIME they catch river magic over me and suck out...or in a pre-flop all-in race someone calls me with a much weaker hand and somehow their luck comes and they suck out on me
So many different variables I cannot list them
I'm also fully aware that online poker is a completely different breed...it feels more like a video game the way monster hands come more often and simultaneously between players and skill will always overcome in the long run
The bad runs I've been through are the exact experiences that makes one think the game must be rigged....I refuse to believe this
I know a good amount of losing hands are from making some mistakes, but what I'm talking about are the steady and constant miracle catches that are getting dropped on me constantly. The ones that completely take me out of the game busting me
I honestly try not to race and go all-in on pre-flop with AK...I'll do it with AA though...it's become ridiculous it seems and I try to take time away and stick to FR's when it occurs because it's draining what small money I actually have
The other issue is the lack of US-friendly sites. Because this limits me I can't just cash out and try another site for a while either so you feel stuck and relegated to just a few locations
I refuse to give up...my skills may not be super, but I know enough to do well normally. The recent runs are what eats up my account. Otherwise I win 4 or more of every 10 SnG's and grind upwards. I take notes and I'm reading my adversaries well. I take all the information and input here into consideration and I've improved, and with these tools I'm staying where I am and not quitting
It may take a while for me to become a winner in a CardsChat FR because the community is more skillful than I am, but I do know I have what it takes to take on the fish and average players...I'm not going to let this discourage me into quitting
quintass
Rock Star
Silver Level
Being kicked out of so many poker rooms due to our own government dictating what we can and cant do in the privacey of our own home, along with the depressed economy, does take it's toll on the game of poker as well as the players. I also play half as much as I use to due to all that I have mentioned. As little as I play though, I still find it enjoyable. I'm not quite ready to quit yet.
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Eddie Leeway
Rock Star
Silver Level
I'm going back to just freerolls for the rest of the week...if not longer. I at least can't stand paying to lose every SnG or MTT if it means I'm gonna lose every stinking game to river magic...at least beat me honestly and not by some damn lucky gift
Also,It's amazing to me how the government is fine with casinos as well as New York state's "racino's" (the term is used for casinos in the horse racing parks like Aqueduct and Yonkers)
Obviously it's taxation(but I'm sure most of these poker site's would be happy to pay a tax if they can legally open for business), and hypocrisy that is synonimous with polititians
The legislators who claim this is unhealthy for it's constituents are a lying bunch of P.O.S's talking out of their backends. They have nothing but negative one-liner's for a game of skill, but they find no problem in lotteries and games of chance that benefit 'The House" and the edge it provides
The public is suckered into believing lotteries are going to education, yet here in NYS schools are being closed and kids are forced into even more crowded classrooms. There's never an accounting of how much is actually going to a student's benefit. This is kept in the dark and we also have no idea who's actually making the profit
Bear in mind there isn't one decent candidate running for president either...
Who wants to vote for any of these choices we have....one's a zealous religious nut, another guy is nicknamed after a fielding glove, or the other who used to be named Barry?
Can't I just play an honest game while we all go to hell in a handbasket?
Also,It's amazing to me how the government is fine with casinos as well as New York state's "racino's" (the term is used for casinos in the horse racing parks like Aqueduct and Yonkers)
Obviously it's taxation(but I'm sure most of these poker site's would be happy to pay a tax if they can legally open for business), and hypocrisy that is synonimous with polititians
The legislators who claim this is unhealthy for it's constituents are a lying bunch of P.O.S's talking out of their backends. They have nothing but negative one-liner's for a game of skill, but they find no problem in lotteries and games of chance that benefit 'The House" and the edge it provides
The public is suckered into believing lotteries are going to education, yet here in NYS schools are being closed and kids are forced into even more crowded classrooms. There's never an accounting of how much is actually going to a student's benefit. This is kept in the dark and we also have no idea who's actually making the profit
Bear in mind there isn't one decent candidate running for president either...
Who wants to vote for any of these choices we have....one's a zealous religious nut, another guy is nicknamed after a fielding glove, or the other who used to be named Barry?
Can't I just play an honest game while we all go to hell in a handbasket?
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
Interesting bit about the lotteries, there. SUPPOSEDLY, they benefit the schools, yet every election season there is another ballot issue to increase taxation for the local schools, or else they will supposedly fail/eliminate sports/cut services, whatever. It's always something. With the popularity of state and national lotteries, where exactly IS all that profit going????
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Tonawanda
Visionary
Silver Level
Well Said
I think you summed up very well the situation and uphill battle for US players.
I still think that online poker can be competitve and nice entertainment for us, as well as profitable for some, and will play as long as it is feasible, but cannot have serious expectations or optimism for the future.
I think you summed up very well the situation and uphill battle for US players.
I still think that online poker can be competitve and nice entertainment for us, as well as profitable for some, and will play as long as it is feasible, but cannot have serious expectations or optimism for the future.
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Big_Rudy
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks,....I guess. Wish I could say that I can see a brighter future for US online poker in the immediate future, but just trying to be a realist. When you figure that what, 75-80% of online players are net losers, try to calculate how many are only slight winners, then calculate the government eventually taking a healthy percentage of those winnings under the guise of some-sort of "sin tax" or such that they now levy on alcohol and tobacco products.... I think very few people in the US will ever be able to profitably play online again (at least for the foreseeable future).
For those of you who always question these kinds of posts and ask if the poster has any "insider information" to support his theory.... No, I don't....except a lifetime of witnessing how the US government generally works when it gets involved in things it shouldn't be.
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pokerb0t
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Bad play = chance to make money, who doesn't like bad play? Even if people get rewarded occasionally spiking on the river, long term these players making calls without odds to do so are going to be the losers..
Online poker will come back in the States, it's just a matter of time until it's legalised and more firmly regulated. It'll then come back bigger than ever before.
Online poker will come back in the States, it's just a matter of time until it's legalised and more firmly regulated. It'll then come back bigger than ever before.
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Hellboy42
Rising Star
Silver Level
Very true. The unfortunate thing is that while I agree there is also an element of truth in what the op says. Poker has become a lot more aggressive and the prevailing tactic seems to be double up early or forget it.
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Eddie Leeway
Rock Star
Silver Level
Very true. The unfortunate thing is that while I agree there is also an element of truth in what the op says. Poker has become a lot more aggressive and the prevailing tactic seems to be double up early or forget it.
Even when I double or triple up 2 out of 3 Sng's I would get an incredible hit of one to three straight bad beats to knock me out...frustrating
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BlueNowhere
Legend
Silver Level
That's an awful mentality to play with.
PaulThePokerCat
Rising Star
Silver Level
Your not alone out there. I used to play everyday,now it's 1-2 small games a week. Combination of the payment services and sights "holding" my money along with getting punished by players who even after five or six years playing me will still play AQ into whatever raise I throw at them and beat me holding AK or AA. lol. Thank goodness for the semi-sanity of casinos.
witchywitchy
Rock Star
Silver Level
Continuing to read this thread hasn't helped improve my online poker mood. I fear the Thrill is Gone and not sure if it will be returning anytime soon. Except for the few CC games I play I have pretty much stopped playing online...
