Is it forbid to say that I have AA in the chat when I is allin?

[zachvac]

Maybe the best 2 HOLE cards, but that's all it is.

'the more calling the better'? The more that call, the less odds you have of winning the hand. The only time you have the best odds is when you can isolate the hand to a heads-up.

Zach-
I second what nevadanick says-pocket aces against a rando hand wins 85.5% of the time, against 4 rando hands it wins 55.8% of the time. If you're going to go all in with it you don't want a lot of people in with you. Numbers courtesy of Phil Gordon.

Kyle covered both of these. The goal is not to win the most hands as possible, it's to win the most cash or tournament chips (tournament ev is slightly different, but most of the time a quintouple up is good enough to justify only having it happen 55.8% of the time). Having more people in the pot will decrease your win %, but increase your expected value in the hand, which is our ultimate goal.

 

[Stick66]

Is it forbid to say that I have AA in the chat when I is allin?
I m woundering if any one now if one player goes all in before the flop, and Im next and have AA or someting good, and I dont wont more peopel in the pott, can I say that I have AA in the chat, so that no more whill call me?

It might be. But the gold may importance you, also.

 

[Ldpokercj5]

90% of the time unless your at some really strict places your allowed to "say" what you have as long as your in the hand. If your not in the hand you can not "say" what you had even if your lying. You can't coach anyone but you can definitely say you have AA and its up to them to believe you or not. Most places this isn't considered bad etiquette its just part of the game (like slow rolling).

 

[WVHillbilly]

90% of the time unless your at some really strict places your allowed to "say" what you have as long as your in the hand. If your not in the hand you can not "say" what you had even if your lying. You can't coach anyone but you can definitely say you have AA and its up to them to believe you or not. Most places this isn't considered bad etiquette its just part of the game (like slow rolling).

Don't mean to be a dick, but that's just wrong. Any place that plays by the rules of poker should stop you from declaring your hand when there are still others to act.

Worse still is slowrolling, IMO. It shouldn't be part of the game. It's horrible etiquette and if you do it you deserve to have your ass kicked.

 

[KenFischer]

I have a hunch that they are confusing "slow-rolling" with "slow-playing".
If they aren't confused, I agree with you. Slow-rolling is never acceptable.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Maybe you're right Ken. I sure hope so. We used to have a guy who thought it was funny to do the old "all I have is an ace ... and another ace" gag. He did it twice and he hasn't been back to our game since. Seems we've lost his number to invite him.

 

[KenFischer]

Not cool... and people wonder why home games get violent sometimes

 

[Debi]

It might be. But the gold may importance you, also.

I was having a similar thought lol.

 

[zachvac]

Maybe you're right Ken. I sure hope so. We used to have a guy who thought it was funny to do the old "all I have is an ace ... and another ace" gag. He did it twice and he hasn't been back to our game since. Seems we've lost his number to invite him.

lol yeah people that do that are just downright dicks. I don't know what the casino rules are but at least in home games that's pretty much the rule. We had a similar kid in our game who just played once where a kid shoved to him when he had the absolute nuts on the river. He took like 2 minutes to finally call and then went with the "what do you have? Oh really because I have the nuts". As you said, I think the kid who hosts the game lost his contact information. Surprisingly though you don't see that a lot in online poker. You'd expect in a game where you don't see anyone else and can't get kicked out that people would be ruder than in live games, but I don't think I've seen anyone do that online at all (like you have the absolute nuts, hit time and let it run down before calling).

But as mentioned above, slowrolling != slowplaying. Slowplaying is during the hand and a perfectly acceptable deceptive maneuver. Slowrolling is when the action is over and there's no reason to trick the other person but you make him think you have a worse hand than you have.

 

[WVHillbilly]

You're right Zach I don't know that I've ever seen that online (thank God). I still have to give several guys in our home game hell just to get them to show BOTH hole cards at SD. So often they don't want to show their ace rag hands and hope just showing the ace will do. That crap don't cut it. Show 'em both if you want to take the chips. If you're embarrassed to show ace rag, throw it away preflop.

 

[PokerVic]

Surprisingly though you don't see that a lot in online poker. You'd expect in a game where you don't see anyone else and can't get kicked out that people would be ruder than in live games, but I don't think I've seen anyone do that online at all (like you have the absolute nuts, hit time and let it run down before calling).

At the risk of sending this thread off-topic...

I've definitely seen it online. I once made a shortstack all-in in a tournament, and had the guy burn up all but 1 second on his clock before calling me with AA.

I had another incident in a home game where myself and a really aggressive player were all-in on the flop. I had the overpair KK and said so. He refused to tell me his hand until we had dealt the turn and river. Afterward, when I asked him again, he turned over his pocket 3s that had made trips on the flop and raked in the pot.

 

[master692way]

When you go all in in most poker rooms you have a chat disable notice that comes up in the chat box.So who is playing the fool here????????lol

 

[Panamajoe]

OMG, that reply is so funny...

It might be. But the gold may importance you, also.

.... I'll be laughing for a week.

 

[gembob13]

"I second what nevadanick says-pocket aces against a rando hand wins 85.5% of the time, against 4 rando hands it wins 55.8% of the time. If you're going to go all in with it you don't want a lot of people in with you. Numbers courtesy of Phil Gordon."

85.5% win 100 = average return of plus 85.5
15.5% lose 100 = average returrn of -15.5
Expected value of situation = +70

55.8% chance to win 400 = +223.20
44.2% chance to lose 100 = -44.20
Expected value of situation = +179

So if this is a tournament, I guess you'd have to decide if an expected value if 1.79 times your chips stack is worth a 44% chance of busting out. Most situations, it is.

If this is a cash game, and you don't want more callers, you just hate money.

That's a good point, I didn't look at it that way.

 

[1122phoenix]

No, you cant tell the people acting after what you have. Most sites also disable the chat after someone goes all in.

 

[KenFischer]

No, you cant tell the people acting after what you have. Most sites also disable the chat after someone goes all in.

But there is nothing stopping someone from typing in the chat right before they push. It doesn't matter whether the software blocks the behavior or not (or whether the game is online or live, for that matter) it's still wrong to do it.

 

[Poker Orifice]

On most sites, the chat is disabled once a player is 'allin',.. therefore this isn't really an issue. I swear there's been times I've wished I could've flipped over my cards prior to someone calling my bet (or one card anyways), preventing the inevitable number of suckouts, guys calling with low pr. on flop and hitting a set on the river,.. groan,... see it frequently in the low stake MTT's,.. unfortunately the only kind I can afford to play in at the moment.

 

[KyleJRM]

"I've wished I could've flipped over my cards prior to someone calling my bet (or one card anyways), preventing the inevitable number of suckouts"

Wait. You don't want people to call you when they are behind?!?!?!?!!?

 

[SeanyJ]

It's funny how people think they don't want people calling with worse hands, or that they don't want to play against people who absolutely suck at poker. You'll never win money if people are only calling you when you're beat.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Wait. You don't want people to call you when they are behind?!?!?!?!!?

[/quote]

At times,.. no,.. I don't want them to call me and would be fine with just taking down the pot as it stands. Key words,.. 'at times'......

Odd thing is,.. seems to be working out quite well for me,.. for some strange reason I'm in the upper 15% (10 actually) of online players who are actually making a profit on the tables. strange????

 

[KyleJRM]

At times,.. no,.. I don't want them to call me and would be fine with just taking down the pot as it stands. Key words,.. 'at times'......

Odd thing is,.. seems to be working out quite well for me,.. for some strange reason I'm in the upper 15% (10 actually) of online players who are actually making a profit on the tables. strange????

Then you are extremely good at other facets of your game. A leak is a leak is a leak, no matter how you make up for it in other hands.