How often do you see players talking smack on the tables about how bad other players play? I been playing non stop the past year and i found out some funny things. Players who put down other players play i find make the same mistakes and more. Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic. If you think you are a good poker player but you lose all the time, Then most likely your are not a good poker player. Are you that player or do you know that no matter how good you are there is always a way to lose. It took me a long while to learn not to tell ppl that im a good player cause why would you. Bad beats shouldnt hurt you if you got a Bankroll and a good head on ya.

Originally Posted by eagleaces

How often do you see players talking smack on the tables about how bad other players play? I been playing non stop the past year and i found out some funny things. Players who put down other players play i find make the same mistakes and more. Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic. If you think you are a good poker player but you lose all the time, Then most likely your are not a good poker player. Are you that player or do you know that no matter how good you are there is always a way to lose. It took me a long while to learn not to tell ppl that im a good player cause why would you. Bad beats shouldnt hurt you if you got a Bankroll and a good head on ya.

Exactly! Especially I do not like people giving advices when nobody asked for. Everyone just playing their own style and if you win with worst cards then your opponent so it means it means it is you putting yourself in the risk. Then I also noticed when people blaming your game after bad beat and starts to tilt next hands with really scrap cards. Poker is poker it is game of bluff ,skills and luck factors.

"If you think you are good, you're not".

Funnily enough, you have done precisely what you have criticized others for doing - talked down to them and told them they are no good. The irony seems a little lost.

Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by eagleaces

Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic.

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This is a pretty ironic topic given that not only are 99% of poker players losing players, but that even those that are winning somehow over the long term still spend most of the time losing their hands.

Hmmm, sounds like they are taunting or provoking the people in order to deviate their focus, might be a strategy if you think about it. That's why I don't really pay attention to chat, and of course I don't recommend you to do that either.

That is what I miss about the days I played backrooms and older casinos with regs I knew. We would talk smack, but we never crossed lines with people unless we knew them. There was a Navy guy that I used to banter with that seemed offensive, but I was in the Corps and we were actually laughing the whole time. We had someone jump one of us, I honestly do not remember which, but the whole table shut him up. Said we were the military equivalent of Abbot and Costello and we kept the table from being boring. Now, the majority of online table talk seems offensive even for a Marine.

Bad beats are devastating to a Bad player,,,Bad beats are hurtful to a good player,,,,and Bad beats are a Bump in the road to a Great player. Simple as a pimple,,,

Originally Posted by eagleaces

How often do you see players talking smack on the tables about how bad other players play? I been playing non stop the past year and i found out some funny things. Players who put down other players play i find make the same mistakes and more. Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic. If you think you are a good poker player but you lose all the time, Then most likely your are not a good poker player. Are you that player or do you know that no matter how good you are there is always a way to lose. It took me a long while to learn not to tell ppl that im a good player cause why would you. Bad beats shouldnt hurt you if you got a Bankroll and a good head on ya.

I often see players on other forums who say they are good at the game. Then I look at their stats on the website and I really understand fish. And I also don’t like it when they start accusing the rsc and the poker room of changing them all the time.
Understanding the psychology of the game of poker will help you manage your emotions and learn to overcome your psychological mistakes. Need to think more positively, okay bro?

we always find an individual that likes to talk smack, sometimes obnoxious, sometimes just fun banter, taking it in stride is best solution, play your game ,let the fool rant , enjoy life.

Perhaps these players are a distraction. There are many types of psychological pressure. A lot of good players just piss off other players in this way.

They talk a lot. So I turned off the chat. I'm not interested in it at all. Now on PokerStars added these emoticons, too, many use. Just annoying no use.

If on monthly basis you get an overal good paycheck , then you are good , and then anyone else can say his bu****t and you just wear your earmuffs , but if you don't.......... go read some poker strategy , take a break from poker , as simple as that , it's not a mathematical polynomial equation .

When players give a lesson I think they're making a very big mistake. You are teaching them how you think. It's like showing your cards too often. People can use it against you.

If a player keeps saying that another player at the table plays badly, he probably also plays badly.
Because he should think it is good that he has worse players than him at the table, because being a good player, it would be easier for him to face those players who supposedly play badly.

Personally, I enjoy chatting at the right times, when a player is not in a hand. I compliment good plays and encourage small stacks to come back. For me, online poker is about learning. If I see that a player doesn't like to chat, I don't bother them.

Originally Posted by ivanlt18

Hmmm, sounds like they are taunting or provoking the people in order to deviate their focus, might be a strategy if you think about it. That's why I don't really pay attention to chat, and of course I don't recommend you to do that either.

I agree with this. I've said the same thing before myself. I've often seen players criticizing the play of others at the table, basically heckling them. They gloat and ridicule their opponents when they win a hand. They mock other players for the way they played a hand or criticize their hand selection. The thing is that you might see them criticize someone for playing a hand like Q-9. Then you will see the heckler turn right around and play J-7. That tells me that this is just a tactic. Believe it or not, it works. Not on everybody. But you can see players tighten up and start playing different because they're worried about looking bad, especially if they lose a hand to the heckler. What ends up happening is that players start shutting down, going into their shells and getting out this player's way, giving him room to run over the table.

Originally Posted by norwoox

Perhaps these players are a distraction. There are many types of psychological pressure. A lot of good players just piss off other players in this way.

I agree with everything except the good players part. Let's not assume that these are good players. I personally think good players are more likely to shut up and let their game speak for itself. But you are absolutely right about the psychological pressure that heckling can put on a player.

Originally Posted by perrypip

When players give a lesson I think they're making a very big mistake. You are teaching them how you think. It's like showing your cards too often. People can use it against you.

I used to see a lot of this. While it's different from the "everybody sucks at poker but me" player trash talking the whole table, it's still somewhat inappropriate. Here we're talking about someone who may comment on a specific play from a player in one specific hand. Still it's almost always unwelcomed and unappreciated, including by other players at the table. I used say something like "Shhh. Let them play how they want to play. This is not the time or place for a poker lesson".

Hello. To talk others down is demoralizing. I personally turn player chat off when a player starts chatting. Use that option and it will block the chatters. It's an ugly kind of thing in poker. Ask Phil Helmuth.

there is a lot of donks out there going all in on nothing at the same table over and over so i

wait for an opening. GG in the gun raise half my stack hj calles 2 7 9 i go all in he calles shows k 2 diamonds . ha gotem ! noooo the river comes up a 2 trips im dead

I have no idea if players are talking smack because I have chat disabled.

I think being good at poker means being slightly better than average. If you're slightly better than average, you can build a stake in 50/50 games. Also, in small tourneys, you can often finish in the money just by playing conservatively and not going all-in constantly.

When you play online i think ignoring chat is very important. Not losing focus and not putting emotion. Most of the time you can not have friendly conversation, because only bunch of haters and wannabe pros communicate there.

As for live play... Well i can not stand the stupid banter not to mention someone explaining to fish what they did wrong. Absolutely insane to give tips to guy who is donating money. Good thing most of the tips are crap.

This loser Daiku has been chirping me and spamming throwables at me on 888 for over a week, really starting to get to me.

Usually these players think they are better than everyone else and use there own custom solver as a result. Tbh, I am kinda one of these players, not really at same time.

Also, sometimes mistakes are not mistakes, like we have AI basically rewriting the book/GTO theory, where the AI finds the true GTO plays for each player types, so there custom solvers, might actually be optimum, and many things these players do, are honestly not bad plays. Some are next level, some are bad.

However, some of these players are just complete degens too lol.

Repeat 1000 times a day, "I suck at poker."

Yes im Trying dont Made the sames mistakes in poker and actually study the odds. Is hard to made Goods ITM i Just Won a few dollars. I have no Idea if read some book van help me.

Originally Posted by DS3

"If you think you are good, you're not".

Funnily enough, you have done precisely what you have criticized others for doing - talked down to them and told them they are no good. The irony seems a little lost.

Did I miss something?

The Dunnig Kruger effect proves this and only a narcissist would assume im putting them down in this sense lol im only stating a known fact that ppl who boast about being better than others tend to be the donkeys in poker. Just like bullies in real life they are just scared children who cant accept reality. if you feel thats an attack that says a lot about you bro. reflect evolve.

Originally Posted by CSLysander

That is what I miss about the days I played backrooms and older casinos with regs I knew. We would talk smack, but we never crossed lines with people unless we knew them. There was a Navy guy that I used to banter with that seemed offensive, but I was in the Corps and we were actually laughing the whole time. We had someone jump one of us, I honestly do not remember which, but the whole table shut him up. Said we were the military equivalent of Abbot and Costello and we kept the table from being boring. Now, the majority of online table talk seems offensive even for a Marine.

I meant that the players youve seen em. they sit down and immediatly say how they crush all the donks and when they lose one hand go off about how they shouldnt have lost that hand and oh how horible the other player is and not even knowing them. im saying these are my favorite players because they are fish and being so easy to spot i wanted to give beginner players the opportunity to know with out question how to spot an obvious fish. everyone is not understanding my posts. i get it hard to know whith out the voice giving you the ques.

The game statistics will tell you everything. No matter what others say about you, a person is judged by his actions.

Originally Posted by eagleaces

The Dunnig Kruger effect proves this and only a narcissist would assume im putting them down in this sense lol im only stating a known fact that ppl who boast about being better than others tend to be the donkeys in poker. Just like bullies in real life they are just scared children who cant accept reality. if you feel thats an attack that says a lot about you bro. reflect evolve.

Oh good grief...Dunning Kruger...narcissist...reflect evolve. Your trying too hard as you did in the original post.

Originally Posted by DS3

Oh good grief...Dunning Kruger...narcissist...reflect evolve. Your trying too hard as you did in the original post.

Reflect and evolve

Exactly, over time one learns more from mistakes than from strategies, it has happened to me a lot that someone comes to the table and has a lot of chips and starts to play aggressive and I put myself in hunting mode and ended up eliminating the best, but that person start using the chat to insult and offend and those teasing and insults affect you is annoying and it has happened to me many times, for that reason I like to play quietly, without offending anyone.

Here's the thing, we still don't know what "good play," in poker is.
We know there are certain things you should do.
But as dog whistle Doug Polk repeatedly explains. If you always do thing X in Y spot, you're open to being exploited.
Also, if the player is truly good, they may use table talk to help you craft a mistaken image of them.
I.E. You went all in with pocket Js? MORON!
Next time that player gets pocket Js, he goes all in. Everyone now believes he's tight and folds, thinking he has Qs or better.

I have learned not to pay attention to people who are talking at the table, no matter what. I try to play my poker and not stand out of balance. The psychology of poker is very important, you have to keep your level. Even when I think that someone is playing badly, that I am better, thanks to my inherent modesty I will not boast about it, because why.

One of the first things I found out about myself. Just because you (me) do good in freerolls and Micro stakes doesn't necessary mean you (me) can run with the "Big Dogs". That's why I still only play freerolls and Micro Tournaments. I even suck so bad at cash games I don't play them.

Originally Posted by eagleaces

How often do you see players talking smack on the tables about how bad other players play? I been playing non stop the past year and i found out some funny things. Players who put down other players play i find make the same mistakes and more. Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic. If you think you are a good poker player but you lose all the time, Then most likely your are not a good poker player. Are you that player or do you know that no matter how good you are there is always a way to lose. It took me a long while to learn not to tell ppl that im a good player cause why would you. Bad beats shouldnt hurt you if you got a Bankroll and a good head on ya.

I think I‘m a good player, but sometimes the cards not on my side

Originally Posted by eagleaces

How often do you see players talking smack on the tables about how bad other players play? I been playing non stop the past year and i found out some funny things. Players who put down other players play i find make the same mistakes and more. Players that say they are good but never win are my favorite ones and the topic. If you think you are a good poker player but you lose all the time, Then most likely your are not a good poker player. Are you that player or do you know that no matter how good you are there is always a way to lose. It took me a long while to learn not to tell ppl that im a good player cause why would you. Bad beats shouldnt hurt you if you got a Bankroll and a good head on ya.

First of all, the chat is turned off all the time, do not care what unknowns write, say, talk, not even much, what the known ones do. Things like this: you are good or bad player must be told by others not you. (Generally I can't stand these self advertising droids in live, 'I am so this and that....' always painting the positive picture selling themselves like that, of course, in the end, the time proof it they are the same crap, bad or worse like me.....)

I can say, I am profitable in some level and type of games, does not mean I am good. I even see that, that I am not, as it is more than being profitable, there are more part of it.

It is all very variable there are certainly better players than others... EVERYONE can be good dont listen to what this guy says.

I think I'm good, but it really comes in gusts. The last few days I have really had terrible bad luck again and I accuse everything and everyone of fraud. Will be fine again.

Originally Posted by DS3

"If you think you are good, you're not".

Funnily enough, you have done precisely what you have criticized others for doing - talked down to them and told them they are no good. The irony seems a little lost.

Did I miss something?

Well said! Surely being a good player is only measured by themselves, who am I to criticize someone's own interpretation of what is a good player, or who is bad? We are all Human and make mistakes but you do not need to win all the time to be a good player, I would happily come 2nd or 3rd in every game I play, rather than win one in 20 games or more.
Some one once called me a loser when I came 2nd in a big tourney, I suppose their interpretation was right because I could only make 2nd place, but considering I beat hundreds of other players to get to 2nd place, was in itself an achievement, and I was happy getting as far as I did.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

It is not thinking about being good or it is not trying to know the game better, having hunches strategies, risking believing in your cards and of course evaluating the possible odds to have the best combination and win the tournaments and events.

Not sure if he played poker but he explained it well:

Although it's not good, you have to believe in yourself, that you are capable of winning, this with focus and determination!!!! The bad beats happen and will happen..

Many speak, but so it is in everyday life, many commentators, because some do not realize what they are talking about and so brag, I wish them all success, and among the advice I think is positive I admire and the negative ones I don't take into account.

I personally do not care whether a good or a bad player, my goal at the table is the chips.Sometimes I can write in the chat that a player played his hand badly, but this does not mean that he is a bad player.I write only to good players, bad players are marked with me and for this there is no point in writing something to them.When adequate players write to me, I silently analyze the game and when a bad player writes to me, then it just makes me laugh

I think that im am bad and thats sad true. lolz

Many spend time criticizing the way others play, often it's just a way to hide their own weaknesses. In a self analysis, I consider myself a beginning player, with a lot of deficiencies in my game, but that didn't stop me from winning 3 tournaments in CC in the last 3 months. Study and practice lead to game improvement.

I think that this can only concern the personal health and health of your close relatives.

poker table conversations, it's something to be constantly analyzed, there's always the guy who only knows how to badmouth other people's plays and the situation is to keep talking about the good plays... to balance it out... laughs!

Friends, I see this as a way to put you down and you tilt and end up paying with any card, and I think it's correct that the vast majority posted, whoever does this wants to destabilize the adersario, simple as that. I don't talk much even though I know I'm a newbie to poker.