# I think i can beat roullette?

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#### unstoppable4

##### Rock Star
Ok i was on the golden archives when i came across the roullette thread. This guys method of beating roulette is illogical but i think that mine is logical.
Here it is.

Only bet on the red or the black. If you win bet the same amount again but if you lose then bet twice as much on the next bet. That way if you win that time then you will still win a profit of one of the original bet. If you lose that time then you double the last bet (or quadruple the first bet). So you double the previous bet until you win. Then when you do win you go back to the original bet.

Needless to say this requires some sort of bankroll to overcome bad runs but i think that it would work. It is still just a theory. Give me some of your thoughts and feedback please.

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#### unstoppable4

##### Rock Star
Ok i read your link Malorkus and if you get to a point where the max table bet is a problem can't you just move up to the high rollers table (assuming you have enough bankroll)

#### Dorkus Malorkus

##### HELLO INTERNET
because nobody has an infinite bankroll, it's irrelevant.

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Okay thanks.

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#### evilsalty

##### Guest
Can not work

There are so many theories out their that people make money from but in the end if you play everday you will eventually lose.

#### pantin007

##### member
just to disprove u a bit more,there are 38 spots on a roulette wheel, 2 of which are neither red nor black, thus over a long period of time ur going to lose and lose big

#### Paw_kit Aces

##### Rock Star
The problem is most tables have a max bet which will eventually prevent you from making up all your losses.

I've used this method playing black jack, but every so often I have a loosing streak long enough that I would need more then the Max bet to get my money back.

If you use this method you have to draw the line in sand somewhere that if you loose say 5 times in a row you just cut your losses and start the process over.
good luck.

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#### unstoppable4

##### Rock Star
Okay thanks for proving me wrong. Will not be playing because if i'm going to play i'm gonna be playing to win and it sounds like i can't win.

#### AlexeiVronsky

##### Rock Star
There're only two methods that sound reasonable to me to beat roulette, one is to watch one roulette table for thousands of spins keeping careful track of where the ball lands and if there's any warpage or imperfections it may cause a slightly increased tendency for the ball to land in a certain area. It's unlikely however that many wheels are significantly imperfect enough for this to be profitable. And even if you locate one you don't know if they've switched wheels unless you have it under constant surveillance.

The second method is to have a video camera transmit images as the ball's in motion to someone with a computer that can quickly analyse probable trajectories based on the motion of the ball and the wheel and have someone tell you the probable area of the wheel the ball will land in before bets are closed. This one can get you locked up, however, as it's a felony in nevada, at least.

##### Back to work ... zzzzz
Casino operators are so convinced that you can beat them with a number or color system, they help players by installing the tower number boards.

If the 'double up' every bet system worked, why can't we just do that with poker? Go all-in every hand and after losing, just double the reload. If you hit the max buy-in, move up a level and keep going ...

So far, my C/Cards are maxed, the furniture's been sold, the house is gone along with my cars, the GF is still upset about the pawn ticket in her jewelry box - but at least I still have Louie the Shark's number, ... if I could please borrow enough from someone for a prepaid phone card ... ??

#### WVHillbilly

##### Legend
The best way to "beat" roulette is to remember you're not there to gamble as you walk past the table to the poker room.

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#### Guittars

##### Enthusiast
the only way to reduce the houses advantage to zero in roulette is to follow mike caro's, guaranteed roulette system.

For your convenience, I've pasted it below:

I'm going to give you a secret roulette system that really works. It will cut the house advantage to literally nothing, if you believe in it enough to never get frustrated and switch tactics. What I'm going to say may seem strange, but here goes.
First, never bet simply red or black. Also don't bet odd or even. These are equally poor, consistently losing wagers.
Second, don't be suckered into betting zero or double zero, despite what some experts may suggest. This may seem like you're betting with the house, but for technical reasons you are actually betting against the house -- and you are taking the worst of it.
So, in order to negate the house advantage, you MUST stick to straight non-green number bets. All odd red numbers turn out to be bad choices, based on over two trillion computer trials. Don't bet them.
All even black numbers fair poorly, and cannot be bet, for much the same reason, which I won't explain here.
Let's get straight to the money-saving advice. Any bet you decide to make MUST cover only even-red or odd-black numbers. There are no exceptions.
Finally, you need to be very disciplined in excluding the number 30 and the group of consecutive numbers that begins with 11 and continues clockwise through and including 14.
This system may seem mystical, but I take gambling quite seriously, and this works for me.

That was pasted from:

Poker1.com - Home of Mike Caro University of Poker, Gambling, and Life Strategy

I've never lost a single penny using that system.

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#### 2tall

##### Enthusiast
Let me ask a question. I wonder why there are no pro roulette players? Because they are all broke. The only system that works is bankroll management.

#### zachvac

##### Legend
The best way to "beat" roulette is to remember you're not there to gamble as you walk past the table to the poker room.

^^^^ this

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#### 1122phoenix

##### Rock Star
Your double up system if nobody has told you is called the Martingale sytem and has been around for along time. In 2 words -forget it. I've seen the wheel hit 18 black in a row. ie 2 to the power 18 \$ x minimum bet is required just to win the minimum outside bet. The house edge is just under 6% in double zero roulette, and just under 3% in single zero roulette usually for high rollers and in europe. Stick with poker, where some skill and knowledge will give you an edge.

#### mister628

##### Rock Star
roulette

cool game but the wins and losses from it are quite large. You can be on a run for 100's and addictively raise your bets, then lose it all on a couple of spins of the wheel. Cool game but just play for fun!!

#### OzExorcist

##### Broomcorn's uncle
If the 'double up' every bet system worked, why can't we just do that with poker? Go all-in every hand and after losing, just double the reload. If you hit the max buy-in, move up a level and keep going ...

While I appreciate that you're being facetious, there's also another problem with applying this strategy to poker: you're not guaranteed to get paid.

In roulette, the house has to pay when you win. In poker, your opponent(s) can just fold, screwing the whole system up

#### vanquish

##### Legend
i'm sorry that your life turned out this way
i'm sorry that the feds came and took me away
i realize that there's a problem - i'm not to blind to know
i know you're hurting inside but you won't let it show

#### MrMuckets

##### Legend
I think i can beat roullette?

#### Monoxide

##### Cardschat Elite
this one time I beat roulette but then partypoker bent me over and raped me, resulting in a loss.

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#### tazwander

##### Guest
Ok i was on the golden archives when i came across the roullette thread. This guys method of beating roulette is illogical but i think that mine is logical.
Here it is.

Only bet on the red or the black. If you win bet the same amount again but if you lose then bet twice as much on the next bet. That way if you win that time then you will still win a profit of one of the original bet. If you lose that time then you double the last bet (or quadruple the first bet). So you double the previous bet until you win. Then when you do win you go back to the original bet.

Needless to say this requires some sort of bankroll to overcome bad runs but i think that it would work. It is still just a theory. Give me some of your thoughts and feedback please.
This system does work....well done.... it has already been thought of and has a name ....Martingale System. Some player used it at the casinos and after he won, they analysed his moves and then put limits on the 50/50 bets like odds/evens..... high/low....1st 18/ last18. This system requires a whole bunch of money, and your bets have to double in size. So \$5 become 10, 20,40,80,160,320 and here you get stuck because the casinos place a \$500 limit so you cannot go to 640. If you want to work out how much this system will cost you go to the highest double up you can afford ....such as \$320 and take off \$5..... It will cost you \$315 to play up to and including \$160, and that leaves you high and dry if you miss. DO NOT PLAY THIS SYSTEM IF TABLE LIMITS ARE IN PLACE.
Besides your last bet (with your \$320 stake) is only going to win your money back plus an additional \$5. Any bet that wins with the Martingale System will only ever win the minimum bet plus your stake money....
Very Risky now that they know the system too ......lol

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#### tazwander

##### Guest

Do the Math. The casinos have an edge commission of 2.7% and thats if they only have one zero.
Place 37 chips on the table, cover every number and zero. Now watch what you get back.... they pay you 35 win chips and you keep the one that you originally placed on the winning number.
You put out 37 chips, but only gey back 36.

Now tell me how you can possible beat the house at this game....?

The only way is with smart betting, working out your repay (so do not overbet) get your win and never ever play again....lol

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#### tazwander

##### Guest
There're only two methods that sound reasonable to me to beat roulette, one is to watch one roulette table for thousands of spins keeping careful track of where the ball lands and if there's any warpage or imperfections it may cause a slightly increased tendency for the ball to land in a certain area. It's unlikely however that many wheels are significantly imperfect enough for this to be profitable. And even if you locate one you don't know if they've switched wheels unless you have it under constant surveillance.

The second method is to have a video camera transmit images as the ball's in motion to someone with a computer that can quickly analyse probable trajectories based on the motion of the ball and the wheel and have someone tell you the probable area of the wheel the ball will land in before bets are closed. This one can get you locked up, however, as it's a felony in nevada, at least.

They use those towers to display numbers, but they also have a database system that records all numbers on that table. They can change the rings , or tighten part of the rim, or loosen it to give a different bounce technology. They can move one part of the table to another table and switch them. The old days with wooden wheels and bearings.... are long gone.....You could track those old wheels and make money.... but then that's why they got rid of them

#### narizblanco

##### Rock Star
there is ONLY 1 way to beat roulette. If you own the wheel. lol