You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Originally Posted by Sariane

is there a step by step?

Only one step, ignore them.

Challenge your family members to play HU 4 rollz

Honestly, my family was a bit skeptical until they saw I was winning consistently. At that point my dad was curious and asked if I could explain what I'm doing that makes it so I win.

If they're not open to having that conversation anything your say will likely fall on deaf ears

i hide my game from relatives

Yes, luck and luck are involved, your family is right.

I come from a family of non-poker players myself and though I was lucky that they were kind (though understandably skeptical), it was through the rest of time and a decade + of being a poker pro that made them see the light!

Although I do believe it’s changing little by little, the fact is that most people still think poker is the same as gambling at any casino table game. As others have said, it will be far easier to convince yourself not to care what your family thinks about you playing poker than to convince them that it’s a game of skill right away

Originally Posted by Mase31683

Challenge your family members to play HU 4 rollz

Honestly, my family was a bit skeptical until they saw I was winning consistently. At that point my dad was curious and asked if I could explain what I'm doing that makes it so I win.

If they're not open to having that conversation anything your say will likely fall on deaf ears

It would be much easier if they gave themselves the opportunity to get to know poker, as I am new to the field and dedicate myself for hours against the PC, whether studying or practicing freeroolls, first comes knowledge, not profit, and they don't understand it seems that we are addicted and one day we will get sick, because we are dedicating ourselves to a game of chance. as the name already says. they have a block, they don’t accept, I’ve already called, I’ve shown it from a distance but it’s not possible.

Originally Posted by Sariane

You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Just like Katie did and wrote above, prove them with the results. Study hard, become good and level up, there is no need to explain anything. They won't believe, until you show the results. You don't have to coach them at poker or explain them how mathematical understanding of odds or thinking in ranges helps to improve your results, as they are not going to play it seriously. Save your energy for studying yourself.

It's great, that you're a head over and understanding, that poker is not about luck, well done on that. Now develop your skills and discipline and if you will sustain, you'll have much success, no doubts.

p.s. And by the way, for those who think, that poker is just a game of luck - how can they explain, that poker is an acknowledged mind sports meanwhile? Just like chess. How can they beat such an argument?

Originally Posted by Zorba

Just one step, skip them.

It would be the only formula, there is no other.

They are right poker is a game of chance. Skilled players just have a better chance.

If you do something you love, and it costs minimal money to enjoy yourself for an evening a couple times a week, just like the movies you go out, you pay $50. you have a good time and experience hopefully unforgettable night. Poker you can go out spend $50 have a good night with the friends and play cards. if there's no harm there is no power my believe. good luck on the table that everyone. And as always have fun

I believe it´s not matter of showing whether or not it´s a game of chances, but that there is a study and a lot of dedication behind it just like any other sport

Originally Posted by Sariane

You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Hey. I will not suggest a specific strategy, but I will tell you by my own example. I only play alone, I try not to watch movies, TV shows, streams at the same time, I don’t correspond in chats, I don’t read literature, I don’t listen to music. I always try to fully immerse myself in the game.

Of course poker is a game of chance. And luck is essential. Your family is afraid that you will become very addicted. Are worried. Maybe they will get used to it over time.

First I have to figure out how to prove it to myself.

Originally Posted by alienat3d

Just like Katie did and wrote above, prove them with the results. Study hard, become good and level up, there is no need to explain anything. They won't believe, until you show the results. You don't have to coach them at poker or explain them how mathematical understanding of odds or thinking in ranges helps to improve your results, as they are not going to play it seriously. Save your energy for studying yourself.

It's great, that you're a head over and understanding, that poker is not about luck, well done on that. Now develop your skills and discipline and if you will sustain, you'll have much success, no doubts.

p.s. And by the way, for those who think, that poker is just a game of luck - how can they explain, that poker is an acknowledged mind sports meanwhile? Just like chess. How can they beat such an argument?

I agree, you have no better point of view. thanks for helping me

Originally Posted by venycyos

Sim, sorte e sorte estão envolvidas, sua família está certa.

I don't think they are right that poker is a game of chance, poker has already proven that it goes far beyond a game of chance

Originally Posted by tata777rus

Of course, poker is a game of chance. And luck is essential. Your family is afraid that you will become very addicted. Is worried. Maybe they get used to the weather.

no doubt, but I already have that certainty and conviction that poker is not a game of chance, but of skill.

It is a game of chance, if it wasn't Phil Hellmuth would win every time, just ask him he will tell you.

I don't want to be mean but most of the people and especially many players do not see (or refuse to see) the truth about poker. Instead of pollyanaishing and being extremely optimist, I will tell you the harsh truth and grim reality about online poker. With so much rake and competition 95% of people fail and only 5% make consistent living out of poker. I can understand your family being skeptical that you will make the 5%.

Originally Posted by smallfrie

It is a game of chance, if it wasn't Phil Hellmuth would win every time, just ask him he will tell you.

Close to my thinking. I was going to say something similar I remember from the poker movie Rounders. Something like:

"Some people think poker is just luck. It can't be just luck. If it was, then how do you explain the same pros making the final tables consistently?"

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Close to my thinking. I was going to say something similar I remember from the poker movie Rounders. Something like:

"Some people think poker is just luck. It can't be just luck. If it was, then how do you explain the same pros making the final tables consistently?"

p.s. I caught the poker joke with Hellmuth claiming that he would win if there was no luck (He might be correct though! No real way of finding out of course though)

Also, by "close to my thinking" I meant that the "pro part" was similar - even if I believe poker might be less luck than you believe.

Just win a Sunday Million and they'll stop thinking like that, I assure you

That's what they always say when they don't understand you don't have to take it to heart.

Originally Posted by venycyos

Yes, luck and luck are involved, your family is right.

Originally Posted by smallfrie

It is a game of chance, if it wasn't Phil Hellmuth would win every time, just ask him he will tell you.

Poker is a mental sports and a game of skill with the element of luck in it. It's like chess, but better. Why is better? Because in chess the newbie won't play for money with grossmeister, until he has too much and want to do somekind of weird charity act to him.
In Poker you can see this all the time, all that thank to this element of luck.

I always love to repeat one poker quote, when it comes to that "Luck/Skill in Poker" topics:

Poker is 10% of skill and 90% of luck if you take just 1 day and 90% of skill and 10% of luck if take 365 days.

That's so true and it's crucial to understand the concept of poker distance and variance.

Originally Posted by arenaci

I don't want to be mean but most of the people and especially many players do not see (or refuse to see) the truth about poker. Instead of pollyanaishing and being extremely optimist, I will tell you the harsh truth and grim reality about online poker. With so much rake and competition 95% of people fail and only 5% make consistent living out of poker. I can understand your family being skeptical that you will make the 5%.

Totally right, I would say even more about 8-9% of all players are in plus on long run and maybe 10% more breakeven. That's how it is. But it doesn't mean, that it's impossible.

The numbers are like that because absolutely most of the people take poker as their fun hobby. They hardly study it or not enough. They don't input enough (or at all) hours to learn math, strategies behind it, to create ranges and analyze hands, not buying GTO, tracking, flop analyze software, coaching, courses in order to become stronger and level up.

They just play micro limits now and again after work or at weekends for fun. Making sometimes shots for bigger limits, bust their bankrolls and comeback to freerolls or micros again. They don't make things complicated studying everyday and input numbers in their bankroll sheet after each game. No table select, no game plan, no game analytics.
They don't do all that work, which Pros and Ambitious Regs do. And that's where the difference come from.

Professionals are not more lucky, they just input much more work and hours in this game and that is why they're better.

Originally Posted by jadaminato

Just win a Sunday Million and they'll stop thinking like that, I assure you

I agree, but the irony is, that exactly this will be 95% of luck - winning one huge field MTT.
So the conclusion is: If you want to impress people, who far away from understanding what poker is all about - show them a single big win in a Multi-table Tournament. If you want to impress a Pro or a good Regular - show them your upward going graph after 3000+ tournaments played.

Poker is just a game of skill, because there are fish, these are bad luck. If we only had sharks, only the poker house would win. You only make money with poker if you win big (game of chance), or if you have a lot of skill, then you have some luck so you won't be swallowed by variance.

just lock the doors and don't let them into the room

Originally Posted by Sariane

You're in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to figure it out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying this is a waste of time, that it's bad luck, that in front of me I'll see wasted time It ends up distracting us. what should be done?

Is there a step by step?

Most of the players go through that at the beginning that sometimes there is a rejection of our relatives with their prejudices with poker, because they think that it is a game of chance and in reality they do not know anything about it about poker.

I just give you one piece of advice. Show him with actions and results that poker goes beyond a game of chance and that you can make a living from poker, which is a game that is studied and analyzed and that depends more on our mental ability than on luck.

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity"

I've been playing poker for years and never won anything. We all have pastimes, it is important to be more understandable when another member of the family likes other things

I saw an answer to this question on another site and I'll quote it here because I think it nails the core of the issue. The more difficult part that this quote does not address is explaining the difference between short term and long term, especially how LONG it can be. And that part can vary depending on if you're playing a tournament or cash so I'll leave that to you since I'm not sure which is relevant and to what extent for your particular situation.

Texas Poker is a game of skill in the long term and luck in the short term.
To explain why Texas Holdem Poker is a game of skill, I'll quote Dusty Schmidt "Leatherass", a very well known online player. In his book Treat Your Poker Like a Business he explains it in the most simplistic (and best) way:

To me, defining poker as a game of skill is actually quite simple. To do so, you just need to forget about winning at poker and think for a moment about losing. Is it possible to intentionally lose a poker game? Yes, of course. But is it possible to intentionally lose a game like roulette or craps?. No it's not.
In games of chance, the participant cannot control the outcome. Whether your intent is to win or lose the lottery, your odds remain the same. (...)
But in poker, your actions can influence the outcome of a hand. You will absolutely lose if you choose to fold every single hand no matter what cards you hold. If you call bets with a hand that cannot win the pot, you will also lose every time. This is the difference between a game of chance and a game of skill.

Hello.
My family always supports me and understands my hobby. So when I play poker, no one ever distracts me. But daily meditation also helps me stay focused.

Originally Posted by Sariane

no doubt, but I already have that certainty and conviction that poker is not a game of chance, but of skill.

And yet, if only garbage cards come all the time, it's hard to play. Luck is an important factor.

Originally Posted by Bnobob

Kick childrens

Join Community Forum Cardschat

Thanks for the invitation, I will participate yes.

Hi.
I think you need to focus and keep learning the game. Criticism should not be taken into account. You need to focus and work on achieving this goal.
Good luck.

Originally Posted by fegyo

just lock the doors and don't let them into the room

lol, I'm looking for ways to do that. thanks for the comment

Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright

Close to my thinking. I was going to say something similar I remember from the poker movie Rounders. Something like:

"Some people think poker is just luck. It can't be just luck. If it was, then how do you explain the same pros making the final tables consistently?"

Fair, great reasoning and answer given. each has a vision and it is up to respect.

Originally Posted by alienat3d

Poker is a mental sports and a game of skill with the element of luck in it. It's like chess, but better. Why is better? Because in chess the newbie won't play for money with grossmeister, until he has too much and want to do somekind of weird charity act to him.
In Poker you can see this all the time, all that thank to this element of luck.

I always love to repeat one poker quote, when it comes to that "Luck/Skill in Poker" topics:

That's so true and it's crucial to understand the concept of poker distance and variance.


Totally right, I would say even more about 8-9% of all players are in plus on long run and maybe 10% more breakeven. That's how it is. But it doesn't mean, that it's impossible.

The numbers are like that because absolutely most of the people take poker as their fun hobby. They hardly study it or not enough. They don't input enough (or at all) hours to learn math, strategies behind it, to create ranges and analyze hands, not buying GTO, tracking, flop analyze software, coaching, courses in order to become stronger and level up.

They just play micro limits now and again after work or at weekends for fun. Making sometimes shots for bigger limits, bust their bankrolls and comeback to freerolls or micros again. They don't make things complicated studying everyday and input numbers in their bankroll sheet after each game. No table select, no game plan, no game analytics.
They don't do all that work, which Pros and Ambitious Regs do. And that's where the difference come from.

Professionals are not more lucky, they just input much more work and hours in this game and that is why they're better.



I agree, but the irony is, that exactly this will be 95% of luck - winning one huge field MTT.
So the conclusion is: If you want to impress people, who far away from understanding what poker is all about - show them a single big win in a Multi-table Tournament. If you want to impress a Pro or a good Regular - show them your upward going graph after 3000+ tournaments played.

No comments for your answers. wonderful, and I'm learning

Originally Posted by Newzooozooo

Hi.
I think you need to focus and keep learning the game. Criticism should not be taken into account. You need to focus and work on achieving this goal.
Good luck.

thanks, this is exactly the side I'm going to work on ... thanks for interacting with me

Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d

I saw an answer to this question on another site and I'll quote it here because I think it nails the core of the issue. The more difficult part that this quote does not address is explaining the difference between short term and long term, especially how LONG it can be. And that part can vary depending on if you're playing a tournament or cash so I'll leave that to you since I'm not sure which is relevant and to what extent for your particular situation.

wonderful and clear your interaction with this enlightening answer is not only for me and for many. thank you

Originally Posted by tata777rus

And yet, if only garbage cards come all the time, it's hard to play. Luck is an important factor.

I think that even with the worst card, the player with skill and notion of poker does well. after all we study to deal with the worst cards too

Originally Posted by casique31

I've been playing poker for years and never won anything. We all have pastimes, it is important to be more understandable when another member of the family likes other things

never won anything like that ... I'm a beginner and being able to take first place in a guaranteed MTT 200 with the basics I know about poker, something is wrong

Originally Posted by Lena M

Hello.
My family always supports me and understands my hobby. So when I play poker, no one ever distracts me. But daily meditation also helps me stay focused.

this is very rewarding, i hope one day i get there. and I can say that with all the love in the world for you

Originally Posted by jadaminato

Just win a Sunday Million and they'll stop thinking like that, I assure you

I'm in the rain to get wet ... I may not be able to win today because the variance is really big, one more day I get there lol.

I decided to create this topic from nothing, and I was very happy with everyone's interaction. thank you, very good to see the way that everyone sees poker ..

We are not children long ago and why should I have to prove anything to anybody

Simple math lesson and hand history should prove it is not a game of chance. If you run some sample hands from HH, math should stand up. If so, it is not a game of chance.

I've always felt that chance (luck) will run both ways and the more skilled players are going to show profits. Good luck with you're quest of convincing.

My relatives and family don't know anything about poker so i just tell them that i am playing a game.. and thinking as a normal mobile game

if you're good enough, you can invite them to the "friendly" poker game and show them your skills.

Especially if you can count the cards, and tell them what they (may) have and what would/should they do....

you see my point?

It would be a very difficult task to explain to them, but not impossible, because they are not interested in the hobby that I have had for years, I just think they could be interested if later I spent more time playing and being able to collect more winnings.
Mostly they wouldn't understand that poker is not just a matter of luck, but rather the ability to read plays.

Jus win baby! $$$ Show'em the green,as they say,,, $$$

winning enough mony to live of it

I'm in the same shoes, but motivation can come outside our boundaries. Look at us, how many are we, and we sharing the same passion.
It's a brain game, don't let your brain struggleing. When I'm down I go to the forum or looking for professionals who started from 0$ and rewatch their progression which make me a happier poker player. Everyone who feel miserable in poker life by the environment that they live in, sending you a big virtual hug!!!

Focus on following your goal in poker. You say that your entire family does not support you in your goal of playing poker, well, what if you had 2 goals? If there is something else that you are passionate about besides poker, or at least that you like, what could it be? For example, is there something you liked to study in college? This would not only be for the opinion of your family, this could also help yourself.

As my family saying it is a gambling...
I can't explain them that it is not

As they say - proof is in the pudding. First thing that you can do is to tell them that you like the game and treat it as a hobby. If they see that you balance your free time between poker and other duties/hobbies and do not risk too much money they should accept it at least as a strange (for them) hobby. At later stage if you start earning money and winning consistently they may look in a different way at poker.

Originally Posted by Sariane

You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Here:

You Tube

When I know something to be true, I don't feel the need to convince anyone else.

It's up to them to discover the truth for themselves and it doesn't affect me if they live their lives believing something which is incorrect.

As for family members disturbing your concentration while you play- this is unacceptable. You must arrange yourself quiet, peaceful places where you can focus on your game in solitude or with people who understand you must not be distracted.

Regards,

Pay more attention to your family AND EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD !!!!

Originally Posted by Sariane

You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Poker is gambling, so it is a game of chance

Originally Posted by Sariane

You are in front of the computer studying poker, trying to figure out which way to go, trying to find out, and you end up losing focus with family members saying that this is a waste of time, that it is bad luck, that in front of me I will see the lost time. it ends up deconcentrating us. what should be done?

is there a step by step?

Hi Sariane!

This is a great question, and without a doubt one that all new poker players experience.

The first thing we must do is concede that poker IS a game INVOLVING chance. It is not a game of pure chance, but to say that luck doesn't come into play will typically lead to people not listening to you or thinking you are delusional.

Once we acknowledge that luck exists, we can then go on to speak about ways to minimize the effects of luck and maximize the elements of skill in our play.

Some examples:
-Cash games have less luck than tournament
-Sitting with deep stacks has less luck than short stacked play
-Listing the things we can control (game selection, seat selection, when we put money in the pot, etc.)

And you can go on with this.

The main thing to mention is that given you CHOOSE when you invest money in the pot, and that the bets are of variable sizing this is where skill comes in and money can be made.

That being said, a lot of people have already made their mind up and just aren't interested in having it changed. I found in these cases the best way to get understanding is to show an interest in their interests, listen to what they know about that 'you don't understand' and maybe they will return the favor.

Here is a video I made to help with this

You Tube

And one of my students Charlie Carrel went so far as to make a powerpoint presentation to explain it to his family. It's all how much you want to invest in educating others

Originally Posted by Evan Jarvis

Hi Sariane!

This is a great question, and without a doubt one that all new poker players experience.

The first thing we must do is concede that poker IS a game INVOLVING chance. It is not a game of pure chance, but to say that luck doesn't come into play will typically lead to people not listening to you or thinking you are delusional.

Once we acknowledge that luck exists, we can then go on to speak about ways to minimize the effects of luck and maximize the elements of skill in our play.

Some examples:
-Cash games have less luck than tournament
-Sitting with deep stacks has less luck than short stacked play
-Listing the things we can control (game selection, seat selection, when we put money in the pot, etc.)

And you can go on with this.

The main thing to mention is that given you CHOOSE when you invest money in the pot, and that the bets are of variable sizing this is where skill comes in and money can be made.

That being said, a lot of people have already made their mind up and just aren't interested in having it changed. I found in these cases the best way to get understanding is to show an interest in their interests, listen to what they know about that 'you don't understand' and maybe they will return the favor.

Here is a video I made to help with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6Ys0yq6B8

And one of my students Charlie Carrel went so far as to make a powerpoint presentation to explain it to his family. It's all how much you want to invest in educating others

When I started playing I thought that luck was decisive. But as I have continued playing I have learned some strategies that help me to reach the bubble more and more often and win tournaments of up to 3000 to 5000 players. It is definitely not just luck. You have to learn to play. Although luck always plays its role.