This is a discussion on How do I stay motivated through down swings? within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; My BR is down 15% over the last 2 weeks. I've not had a single winning session in all that time.
How can I stay motivated?
I know downswing is pretty hard to deal with and it will get you tilted, but keep your head up and keep going, downswing dont last forever and if playing poker is something you want to do, then stay focused and sooner or later you get better days.
__________________ If you think you are the best player at the table, you're at the wrong table.
I try staying away for a day, sometimes two during which I watch videos about different poker notions. I also read other things to completely forget about poker. I make sure I get a good sleep and feel well and ready before I go back to the tables. GL man.
How do I stay motivated through down swings?
Two methods have helped me so far, relaxing, and watching other poker players.
How do I know I'm doing the right things and this is just variance?
Train yourself and analyze your game, this is the only way to improve.
How do you keep going through rough times like this?
I just don’t take poker seriously, anything can happen in any hand!
You need to understand that it is not always possible to win in poker, just play always according to the pot odds and mathematics, and remember that there will definitely be victories after the winnings!
I find just being here in CC really helps me. I read all the threads and can see that I’m not the only one who goes through rough variance times. It reminds me that its just a normal part of poker. Before the only other poker person I could talk to was my husband, and that was fine, but having access to here and all the people gives me a much larger prospective.
Yes of course it is still hard to get through and you begin to doubt yourself and wonder if your playing well. Keep playing as well as you can, then all of a sudden it will be over for a while. Like ocean waves crashing on the shore. “Change is the only thing that is constant”.
I have noted this before but what keeps me balanced (mostly) is keeping good records. The longer you play the less seriously you will take the downswings over an extended period if you are a winning player. If you can look back over months or even years and see what you have accomplished, a brief downswing becomes less troubling.
It still bugs the hell and you can even feel paranoid but you have to develop the ability to shrug off the bad sessions if luck is running against you.
I'm in one now, so many hands I'm ahead post flop and oops they hit two-outers, four table cards for a st8 or flush. I just have to remind myself I was ahead and that's all I can do, after that it's just up to the cards.
JUST KILLIN TIME,,,WAITING FOR TIME TO KILL ME...
Playing badly makes me more nervous. Poker is still a gambling game so it's very normal when you loose even though you don't make any mistakes. But if you play badly and loose, it's your fault.
__________________ "Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world." -Harriet Tubman
From 19th of August till 31st of same month, I experienced a downswing too, I lost 33 percent of my bankroll. I turned it around though last 11 days, it has been pretty fruitful to say the least.. What I did was I looked at my hand history during those 12 days and found that the playing style I implemented made me susceptible to huge losses. My AF and Aggression frequency was insanely high, coupled with bad decisions, goofy plays and tilt. I toned down my style and become more careful in my approach though I still play aggressively but, not to an insane degree. Its more balanced now.
I think you should analyse every session you've played in the downswing period, look through every hand, see the mistakes, take notes and make sure you dont repeat them. Also, look at your playing style in that period, there might be adjustments to be made.. hit the reset button and give yourself the best chance by leaving emotion out. It will pass, its normal to have downswings and you'll gain experience from it.
This is a tough one for me. The main thing I think about it that no matter how much skill i employ, luck will work for or against me. Picking the best spots I can, and making the best decisions I think I can over the long run is winning, but I only feel like a "winner" in the short term. Like, if I'm catching good hands, hitting the flop a lot etc. But then when it seems like I can't catch a break. AA rolled on by 88 who rivered that last 8, man that sucks. And when it seems to keep happening it's hard not to tilt. First I remind myself MY CARDS WILL COME, that's just how the game works. I remind myself of a few times I got lucky myself, or if it's really bad I ask myself how "good' my game is at the moment. If i'm playing good poker, but still losing, well, that just means keep playing good poker, and eventually the upswings will come back. A good book on this is "The Mental Game of Poker."
It is true all the comments you make here I have read them and it has happened to me many times and I lost many hands and believe me the frustration is great and what always helps me is to close the game, go with my children to play, laugh with them is the best and you forget everything.
here are a few options:
1. take a break to study and refocus
2. if MTT player, play smaller fields
3. if cash game player, play some smaller stakes instead of regular games (check ego at the door)
4. Know that variance swings both ways
My BR is down 15% over the last 2 weeks. I've not had a single winning session in all that time.
How can I stay motivated? How do I know I'm doing the right things and this is just variance? How do you keep going through rough times like this?
Ha from experience you need to just play great poker your style and dont think about the winning of the money or it will drive you nuts. If your not winning then study up on some poker theory and tackle the problem. Tilt can get the best of you just be humble and keep grinding.
I know your frustration all too well and am going through it myself the last couple months. One good thing about it is how much sweeter it makes it when you do start breaking through again. My biggest problem is learning to use my bankroll the right way in order to withstand the variance. The sad truth of it is even when we play well there are going to be long stretches where we aren’t profitable. Poker can be a very cruel game lol.
Phil Ivey's masterclass explains this situation amazingly. I would upload the portion of it that is perfect, but don't want to get banned for plagiarism/copywrite/etc It is chapter/clip "strategies for success"
Don't listen to it from me, listen to it from Phil Ivey
Read articles about tight and loose players. If you have a tight-aggressive strategy, then you are doing everything right, the main thing is to stay calm. If you play loose, then the main reason for down swing is your playing style, and then you need to change your playing style in order to start winning. It is easy to determine, look at the range of starting hands of a tight player and the range of starting hands of a loose player, and you will understand what class of player you are. Of course, good starting hands should definitely be played with a raise before the flop, so as not to launch opponents into the game, for example, on 2 3, 6 8, J 7 and other similar hands. Motivate yourself that you are doing everything right and the reason is not in you, and once the down swing will end and you will start winning again.