Duplicate Poker is Skill? Football analysis

zachvac

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So because football players have complained about luck involved, wind, crowd noise, etc. they decide to take the duplicate approach. Somehow they control nature such that it's exactly the same in 2 stadiums. 4 teams play, one side getting the exact same conditions as the corresponding team in the other game. The winner is the team that wins by more or loses by less than the other team with the same luck factor as themselves. So you're the Patriots and playing the Colts. You do decently, catch a few breaks, and end up winning 21-20. Meanwhile the other game is a kids' league, both sides throwing constant bombs. They get the similar luck factor that you did, but it's magnified because they are throwing caution to the wind. Constant blitzes and bombs. You are better than your opponent (theoretically), the Colts. You are better than your corresponding team getting the luck factor. In fact you were probably the best team of the 4. But because the Colts were so much better than the opponent of your kids' league correspondent, you weren't able to pick up a win by 50 points, despite luck. So you're probably the best of the 4, yet you are one of the bottom 2 that lose.

Eliminates luck? Yeah right. To this date, I have yet to have a margin of win/loss of more than the other table. This means that the only thing that matters is whether my corresponding player at the other table
wins or loses. My play is literally irrelevant. I may as well fold every hand, because that would get the same result. If people at the other table are pushing with bottom pair, how do I beat it? Do I push with anything as well? I'm supposed to win if I'm better than my corresponding player, but this increases luck. If I play better, I'm not pushing as much, because in 6 hands, I'm hypothetically not going to win very many big pots. Yet I see these other tables winning by margins of more than 3 all-ins. They got the same cards, how does this happen? The idea seemed interesting, but in practice it's horrible. I'm glad they gave me free money, but I'm never depositing one cent onto that site. The real way to eliminate luck is to play within your means and play over a long period of time. If you flip a 55-45 coin a million times, you'll end up ahead. If you flip your 55-45 coin and hope it wins more than a (hypothetically, since you don't know these opponents) 50-50 coin with a standard deviation MUCH MUCH higher than yours, it comes out not much better than 50-50. Factor in rake and it's worse than that.

EDIT: Analysis should be analogy in title, can't change it though
 
Chris_TC

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I think you summed it up pretty well. When I tried Duplicate Poker I felt the same way and uninstalled it after about 90 minutes.

There's one other problem you haven't mentioned: bots. I played in a tournament where a bot was at our 3-handed table. Unfortunately, bots always check-fold, so you're never getting their money.
Basically, I was playing heads-up while the guy at the other table played against two real opponents who tripled him up every other hand.
 
Cheezymadman

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What's duplicate poker? Can't say I've even heard of it.
 
Sir-Opus

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The big thing I see with Duplicate is the collusion factor. Two or Three cheaters don't even need to sit at the same table but will be able to let each other what they are holding and in turn they will know EXACTLY what the person in the same position has. No way am I even wasting my time downloading that.
 
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I hate the fact that I get a good hand and play it like I should, everybody folds. When they get a good hand they go all in and expect you to call.
Great site for all-iners to double their money. Get lucky with any two cards, get more points than the other guy going all in and your fine.
I actually logged on today and got rid of the rest of my money....I tried to play and win more, but it didn't work that way.
 
zachvac

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The big thing I see with Duplicate is the collusion factor. Two or Three cheaters don't even need to sit at the same table but will be able to let each other what they are holding and in turn they will know EXACTLY what the person in the same position has. No way am I even wasting my time downloading that.

This wouldn't work, what happens when the colluders end up

a. at the same table
b. against each other at different tables

Only 1 in 3 does this work, the other 2 the net loss is twice the rake.

The 1, you could probably gain an edge in, but there's still the luck involved in real poker. Even if the cards are face up, you wouldn't win 100% of the time, but I'm guessing you win the majority of the time. Could you win enough to make up losing 4 times the rake for every time you find yourself in that situation? Not sure.
 
Emperor IX

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No, none of the collusion theories work. The hand doesn't progress until everyone finishes their action on all tables.
 
Chiefer

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from all the nonsense that i've read on here about the site, i will not be joining. it's seems more like a madhouse than anything else.
 
Sir-Opus

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This wouldn't work, what happens when the colluders end up

a. at the same table
b. against each other at different tables

Only 1 in 3 does this work, the other 2 the net loss is twice the rake.quote]

Yes that is true, but to know if someone is raising with AK or AJ when holding AQ puts the cheater at a distinct advantage. Cheaters will always cheat, but at any other site at least they don't have the ability to see what you may be holding.
 
Cheezymadman

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So, from what I'm hearing, duplicate poker has the exact same deal on every table, every hand?

Screw that. that's not poker.
 
Crummy

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So, from what I'm hearing, duplicate poker has the exact same deal on every table, every hand?

Screw that. that's not poker.

Its not bad..... Say there are 3 tables with 2 people, Seat's 3 and 7 for example. All three tables are getting the same deal. So you are playing agianst the guy next to you and getting or losing points. Then at the end of the session you want to have more points than everybody else sitting at your seat on the other tables....

Its odd becuase you might play pocket aces slow and get nothing, while the guy at the other table goes all in and gets called, or even vis-vera. The play depends on who your agianst, how tight or loose they are, and how tight or loose the people at the other table are in your seats and agianst them....If that makes any since.
 
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