Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

The "better player" has a much bigger advantage in cash games than in tournaments, especially freeroll, where lunacy and variance are so dominant.

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

The Best Player Does NOT Always Win... That's Why Phil Hellmuth is famed for his quote "If there weren't luck involved, I would win every time."

I'm 44 and if life has taught me any thing, it's that EGO is a very Dangerous Thing, and..... I wish I was 16 again knowing what I know now...

You Do sound so much like Stu Ungar... It will be interesting to see how far you go...

Good Luck...

From what I understand, if your playing MTT. Most pros with cash about 30%, final table about 10% of the time, and win about 2.5% of the time.

Great question, the better player is always subject to bad luck. When I play a heads up SNG especially against a poor player, I like to bleed him down so I am taking very little risk when he wins a hand. Never want to turn it into a coin flip. Against the non agressive bad player, I almost always win. The diver will beat me about 1 in 3 because he relies on luck and bullying.

I believe that for a successful player, the winning percentage should be at least 20%. And even with 10 percent of the winnings out of 100, it is also a pretty powerful result.

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

Well, if you are playing online, you can expect to lose big time, as you are underage. Home games & such, your business. but if you are finding a way into casinos & online, you are most likely going to lose any winnings you manage to accumulate as well as getting yourself banned. Ivey & Helmuth play the WSOP pretty much every year, multiple events & Helmuth has, I think, 14 bracelets. If he only played 5 events a year over the last 30 years,, probably a low guess, then he has about a 10% win rate. I have played most my life & of the players I have met, approximately 159% of them overrate their own ability. You are playing a game requiring both decision making with incomplete information & random chance. Slow down, learn & understand the game & spend less time standing in front of the mirror. Good luck, it's a great game for a lot of reasons beside your winrate.

The best player doesn’t always win, in fact, in a single tournament it is often far from the best player that wins—hence the saying, “I’d rather be lucky than good!”

Seriously though that is awesome that you’re already a good player at 16! Remember that poker results, especially when it comes to tournaments, should be viewed in the long run. Almost anything can happen in a single tournament, even when we play our best. I’d suggest reading up on poker variance in order to get more of an idea of the specifics. Best of luck!

I watched a documentary about different poker players. They showed a hand played in one of the tournaments and just replica the same hand without telling the different players about the result. The same hand played way differently everytime depending on the player. I do not think it is always about being the best player at the table but it is a very important feature

Of course not !!! There are no players who always win. But there are successful players who have a purpose and do everything to achieve it. I recommend that you start setting goals, this will allow you to better evaluate your performance.

the better player dose not always win, as we all know bad beats are always there.

I think so, if we are talking about the tournament, I think weak players just do not win, even if it will take incredible, one is not enough luck.

I think the better players have a winning percentage. But still lose.

hi hi
best players no always win
proof?
even i sometime win a rare mtt & i suck lol
think of who community thinks are best players on planet ok?
then see how many tournaments they win

Hmm, I think it's unrealistic to look at it that way. As an analogy, you can take chess.

One of the best AI chess engines at the moment is called stockfish (ELO rating Approx ~3.5k). It beats any human player by a significant margin but even then, the top players in the world (Grandmasters have ratings of ~2.5k) can still beat it 3-5 times every thousand games. The point being, even the best of the best can lose a game here and there for whatever reason.

I think it's more pragmatic to measure your success in those terms, scaled down of course, and see if you can regularly come out on top at the stakes you play.

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

I did not understand quite what you meant more poker sites are not for people with higher age and how you could be playing poker 16 years old?

The one thing that will allow for lesser players to win is variance. That’s why recreational players would be willing to play. If the best player one EVERY time they would just gamble their money somewhere else. If you’re winning 70% of your sessions you should focus on Bankroll Management(BRM) it’s what gets winning recreational player to the next level

not always win, if you win more tournaments than a recreational player and approach to a game exelencia !!!

I don't think in any sport the best always wins, he is more likely to win, but something can always happen that changes the outcome. Whether the opponent is on a great day as well as the best player is on a bad day or sometimes just luck.

No,there is no poker player that always win.He can have a good percentage of winnings but variance, luck and downswing are part of this game..

there is a bit o luck involved as well...

Of course not !!! There are no players who always win. But there are successful players who have a purpose and do everything to achieve it. I recommend that you start setting goals, this will allow you to better evaluate your performance

You can win 5 and lose 5 and even worse but the only thing that counts is that the ones you win have more chips than the ones you lose, for example lose 9 pots of 800 and win one of 10000 still makes you a winner as an extreme.

I think it is impossible to win every time when you play poker, there will be moments when you lose even when you make the right choice and it doesn't matter if you are the best player in the world I think lose in poker is something natural and learn hhow to deal with is what makes you a good poker player. Think about it even in any other sport the best team or the best player could lose anytime and anywhere

Hi There

One thing you must understand
There is no winning player specially when you get AAs and you oponnent wins
with a 22 and get another 2 in the river.....lolol
Rgds

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

Does the best player always win?
Simple answer is, no. Even a mug player can get lucky and beat a top pro. But over the medium to long term, one would expect the better players to win more often.

As for winning 7 out of 10 times, that's a very good average. Keep up the good work.

The best players will win more than they lose in the long run. But, they don't always win because everyone will run into bad beats and unlucky suck outs every now and then. But, just winning at least 60 percent of the time is good enough.

The best player does not always win, but when he wins, he compensates for all losses before that. If winning exceeds losing, then this is really the best player I think.

An old TV show called "The Big Game" shows how an unprofessional player can do well at a table full of pros. There is a bit of luck involved in the game, there's no denying it, but the ability makes a difference too.
I believe the best player doesn't always win, but I believe that in tournaments normally, he will always be in the prize bubble.

Always? No, of course not.

Over a course of games, majority of times? Yes

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table I shouldnt win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 teams in BOTH my regular games and I'm wondering shouldnt I win every time? I just can not help but think since the pros like Hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players Then that means I shouldnt. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often Do I shouldnt expect to win?

friend, if at that age you have been playing this way, I think you should try to improve more and possibly become a professional player, keep always humble and never think you are the best player in the mundo.boa luck.

I think that the best player cannot always win. Poker is not chess where all moves are miscalculated for the lead and there is no average mathematical probability. In poker, after hitting the next card on the table, you decide what to do next. And there are as many accidents as you like. So to win very often will not work.

It is unlikely that you have reached the level of professional poker players. But it is commendable that you already think in terms of a professional poker player at such a young age. I wish you to achieve a high level of poker.
In poker, a lot depends on luck, but your professional level gives you the opportunity to win more often than an ordinary player.

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

As a young player I think that's awesome your starting early. I wish I could say that....

As for the "best always winning".... no, matter of fact, in todays game, since it's such a statistics based game today. Doug Polk actually stated, "In todays game, based off my measured sample size I've concluded that you could play perfect poker. Never making a single mistake, and there is still a 30% chance you will be a losing or break even player."

I can also contest. I just finished up a 5 part study series where we reviewed every hand of my 10th (Final Table Bubble) where I played almost perfect poker. Over the entire 5, 2 hour sections I missed a total of about 8 spots in total....

Being 6th in chips with 10 left, I was dealt AA.... to make a long story short. I took a nasty beat from a player that called my open with 54o, and hit 2 pair.... and even that hand I lost I still played it correctly.... causing me to go bust....

So I hope that answers that question.

a tournament is 90% lucky and 10% skill,
one year is 90% skill and 10% luck

Of course the best player doesn't always win. I've seen KK crack AA in an all in preflop several times ( in live games).

Best player puts themselves in a position to win. With NLHE, that is as good as it gets.

The biggest problem with being the best player at the table is thinking you deserve to win. A lot of people will point to variance/luck to say that the best player doesn't always win, but the fact of the matter is you even without a downswing you can still lose against a table of all lesser players. Because poker has to take people into consideration. And people are different. Yes, you may place the perfect bluff bet on the river, but if 1 out of 8 players decides they're willing to gamble then you're screwed.

In poker it takes knowledge and skill to win long term with that added essence we call luck. The cards we're dealt and runouts we get are completely out of our control, where the luck factor comes in. What we can control is how we play the hand we're dealt, we have decisions and our number one objective is to make the best decision possible with the limited information we have available. Will bad players beat good players? Yes! Anyone can win in poker with any two cards, it's the best 5 of 7 cards, not best 2 cards. Better to be lucky than good.

Keep playing kid. 7/10 is just not a realistic number. It will balance out no matter how well you play.

Good players will always win their share,,,,and bad players will blame the moon for their losses.

i would like to think the better player wins but most of the time the luckiest player wins an that’s how poker is

I think that no one can win in 100% of cases. A good player wins as much money from his opponents as possible with good cards and loses as little as possible money with bad cards.

Win 7 out of 10 times, this is a good result, it’s impossible to win all the time, I think there are no such lucky people who win 10 out of 10 times

Originally Posted by b1atch

Hi, I'm 16 and think I've become a serviceable poker player, especially for my age. But I'm wondering if I'm the best player at my table should I win every time? I'd say I win about 7 out of 10 times in both my regular games and I'm wondering should I win every time? I just can't help but think since the pros like hellmuth and Ivey probably mop the floor with lesser players then that means I should. So I guess what I'm wondering is how often should I expect to win?

I think you must wait for another couple of years to enter into poker arena. There is a 18+ requirement for playing anywhere.
Winning 7 out of 10 is a good result but i don't know, how you were allowed to play and how you cash out without fulfilling the age requirement? There are legal bindings.

100% \ 0% is set in poker, this is very rare! most often you exhibit (if you play well) having from 50% to 80% to win, therefore there are always chances to lose, and even if you are the best player you will lose all the time, but you can only win by the number of tournaments if you play well and win a lot in 2 -5 tournaments will cover the buy-in of 10 or more tournaments!

The best player does not always win, although he wins more than his opponents uf he is the best one out of all of them. There is to much of a luck factor in poker for the best player in the room to win all the time. He or she has definitely a way better chance of winning, but the luck factor will come into play about 30 percent of the time.

There is a lot that goes into this equation. The short answer is that poker varies and strange things can happen. The better player does not win all the time, its just the way poker is. The better poker poker should pull ahead overtime.

At long range at all times.

Originally Posted by GrannySmit77

Of course the best player doesn't always win. I've seen KK crack AA in an all in preflop several times ( in live games).

Maybe the 'best' (or 'better') player was holding the KK ?