Bodog bounces more checks!!!!!

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That really doesn't make sense to me, I was under the impression that in the US people expect superb levels of service, and companies that don't give it go bust. How long does regular snailmail take to deliver things over there? Here snail mail takes 1-3 days, so you wouldn't pay a courier a fortune to deliver something if you could pay the Post Office 30p to deliver it quicker. Also when I've ordered a game from the US and it was sent with UPS, it was received at my address in the UK three days later, so your courier companies surely can't be as inefficient as you are implying - they simply wouldn't still be in business...

Obviously I understand that it's a much bigger place than England, I remember going on a Greyhound from New York to Cincinnatti, for example. But there's a big difference between a two day service and a two week service... :ahhhhh:


It makes absolutely no sense. Our mail service in this country is actually quite good, fast and reliable. That's not even touching the private companies (UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc...) that are probably even better.

It also has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It has everything to do with the government over here making it difficult for online poker players via legislation like the UIGEA (see: SAFE Port Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Yes, this legistaltion really was for ports (as in boats, harbors, freight shipment containers etc) and they snuck this totally unrelated amendment into it at the last second to screw with internet poker/gambling sites.

Like I said..backwards. corrupt would be another good adjective.
 
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Ok, so glimpsing over the article..(and besides the fact that Bush is a complete moron)

What's so worse about internet gambling as opposed to casinos?

Here's the cliff notes:

Step 1: Casino Lobbies and anti-gambling lobbies buy politicians with large monetary donations.

Step 2: Politicians like getting the money, so they sneak the legislations the lobbies want through congress.

Step 3: Legislation passes because most Americans are apathetic and clueless about what the government is really doing and keep voting in the same scumbags year after year after year (Britney Spears and American Idol are faaar more important after all)

Step 4: Profit?


/Seriously it really is all about the money. Government doesn't get a cut of online poker/gambling sites usually and casinos pay to keep their monopolies federally protected
//A few clueless people do object to it on some really wacky moral objection, but online/live is basically the same if you have a moral objection to it (or should be).
 
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Please keep us informed about Bodogs bad checks.This is great info,but please keep it short and to the point.I just started playing at bodog a few months ago and havnt built alot up on there myself.
 
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I can think of 2 things right off the top of my head......minors wagering real money and it being easier to cheat and avoid prosecution online.

Yeah but even this doesn't really fly that well when you think about it a bit. Starting with the fact that if it were legal and regulated and in country instead of offshore it would be far easier to catch/prosecute cheats. as well as prosecute any sites that got out of line and possibly screwed customers.

As far as the whole "minor" arguement.. Yes possibly it is easier to do, but it is still not extremely easy for a minor to do this without adult help or without illegally accessing a credit card/checking account/etc.. and if they have access to this they can do all sorts of illegal stuff other than playing poker, so why is poker somehow so much worse than say placing alot of fraudulent orders at Amazon or something? I also love how people point the finger of blame at the poker site and not the parents when something like this happens.
 
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bodog's bad checks

I recently had to deal with a bodog bad check. It was only $150 but by the time all was said and done with bank fees and nsf fees I was over $300 in the hole with my bank. I wrote Bodog customer service an email explaining all my fees and frustrations and the next word I got from them was an email telling me my fed-ex package was on the way. I'm not going to sing praises for Bodog on this one but I will say that they took good care of me. That is if the check they sent me is indeed good.
 
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Ok, so glimpsing over the article..(and besides the fact that Bush is a complete moron)

What's so worse about internet gambling as opposed to casinos?

Money/Ignorance

Money - They say it's harder to tax gambling on the web, but how do companies like ebay/amazon exist? They have to get taxed somehow. If it's for the fact it's harder to tax "foreign" gambling sites, then make it illegal to play on "foreign" sites and I'm sure there will be PLENTY of US based sites which will open. As for any other "cheating" issues, if poker was legal, they could set up a "department" to go around and use our tax money to monitor the software/use of these sites.

Money - It's feared that people will spend their "bill money" on gambling and end up in an alleyway... yet (in my state) lotto/bingo/horse races are allowed... because that makes sense.

Ignorance - MANY people are still under the mindset that "poker is bad." They don't know why they feel that was "they just do." However, the good thing about online gaming is that hopefully in the next 10 - 20 years (I know a while), the people who play online now will be the next generation in office and be able to change things.


BTW: could the political portions of this thread maybe have their own thread? I feel bad hijacking the OP.
 
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Money/Ignorance

Money - They say it's harder to tax gambling on the web, but how do companies like ebay/amazon exist? They have to get taxed somehow. If it's for the fact it's harder to tax "foreign" gambling sites, then make it illegal to play on "foreign" sites and I'm sure there will be PLENTY of US based sites which will open. As for any other "cheating" issues, if poker was legal, they could set up a "department" to go around and use our tax money to monitor the software/use of these sites.

Money - It's feared that people will spend their "bill money" on gambling and end up in an alleyway... yet (in my state) lotto/bingo/horse races are allowed... because that makes sense.

Ignorance - MANY people are still under the mindset that "poker is bad." They don't know why they feel that was "they just do." However, the good thing about online gaming is that hopefully in the next 10 - 20 years (I know a while), the people who play online now will be the next generation in office and be able to change things.


BTW: could the political portions of this thread maybe have their own thread? I feel bad hijacking the OP.

The comment about lotto, etc. is great. I think people create some sort of hierarchy in their minds--whether they admit it or not--that dictates their stance regarding poker. For example, some people think slots are harmless, but to me, slots are the biggest rip off of any gambling. And some think blackjack is "safer" than poker, but poker is the only game where the player has some say over the odds they choose to engage with.

As far as people in office, that's an interesting comment because when you take a look at the number of politicians that admit they play poker - i mean, not just congressman, but judges, lawyers, mayors, etc. it really doesn't make sense that there is such opposition.

If the starting a new thread about politics was directed at me, I apologize for including the comment about the current candidates. I don't know if making comments like that is against our forum rules, and I don't mean any harm.
 
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If the starting a new thread about politics was directed at me, I apologize for including the comment about the current candidates. I don't know if making comments like that is against our forum rules, and I don't mean any harm.

Not at you. In regards to our comments on legalized poker in general. I think the mods can split topics and I thought it would make a good topic of its own instead of hijacking this thread, not that anyone hijacked on purpose.
 
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Rather than waiting for mods to split it, often it's easier just to start your own thread to discuss it, and include a link to this thread if you want to refer to any comments that anyone made here. :)
 
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I have been seeing this problem a lot from bodog members trying to get funds. Seems the checks come fast enough,but when they do they bounce,then you have to contact bodog,they offer to replace and pay bank charges,bodog says its their processors,which is probally true. I think,and this is just my opinion here that Calvin Ayre is the problem. I just believe the US is going to actively try to disrupt anything he has anything to do with here. I think its more for the sports betting than the poker in my opinion.
 
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Just an update..got an email today with a tracking number for the replacement check being sent via courier (FedEx).

Took them umm 19 days to this point to get the replacement check in the mail (Feb 1st to today the 20th). Shouldn't take FedEx too long to get it here I wouldn't think. Hopefully this one is good :cool:.
 
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I reciently cashed out this month. I cashed out a large ammount. I received my first check yesterday for $3,000. $3,000 is the maximum ammount they can payout per check according to them. I received the check after 10 days but was told the rest of my payout would be processed every 72 hours. Example if you cashedout $11,000, you would get (3k)(3k)(3k)(2k). But my huge problem is I dont have a bank account right now and am used to cashing my checks at check cashing stores like "amscot" or "ace". Only now when I tryed to cash the check they wont cash it. The bank the check(s) are drawn on are not located my my state. Now I'm going to have a few checks with nowhere to cash them. I guess I'll have to open a bank account and wait for the checks to clear. Also I have had 3 checks bounce from bodog in the past! ANDDD .... I tryed to get a payout using the new wire transfer option they have available they denied me and said those methiods are only available for customers depositing using those methiods. I love playing poker here but it's clear the site has some problems with payouts.
 
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I reciently cashed out this month. I cashed out a large ammount. I received my first check yesterday for $3,000. $3,000 is the maximum ammount they can payout per check according to them. I received the check after 10 days but was told the rest of my payout would be processed every 72 hours. Example if you cashedout $11,000, you would get (3k)(3k)(3k)(2k). But my huge problem is I dont have a bank account right now and am used to cashing my checks at check cashing stores like "amscot" or "ace". Only now when I tryed to cash the check they wont cash it. The bank the check(s) are drawn on are not located my my state. Now I'm going to have a few checks with nowhere to cash them. I guess I'll have to open a bank account and wait for the checks to clear. Also I have had 3 checks bounce from bodog in the past! ANDDD .... I tryed to get a payout using the new wire transfer option they have available they denied me and said those methiods are only available for customers depositing using those methiods. I love playing poker here but it's clear the site has some problems with payouts.


I told BofA that I was opening an account for security with online purchases and they waved the monthly fee making it free. If you tell them you are wanting to use the account for online purchases and that if it works out well you'll open an account with them for your daily needs, they will more than likely waive the monthly fee.
 
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Check showed up today.

Guess I'm taking it back to the bank :(.

/crosses fingers.
 
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Most people here are quite bored with people suggesting that various sites are rigged. If a site was rigged, people would fairly soon come up with reasonable evidence, as happened with Ultimatebet.

did i miss something somewhere at some time? whats the problem with ultimatebet?
 
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Bodog is starting to sound like a Ponzi scheme. Robbing Peter to pay paul. I might be wrong, but am in a court case now trying to get 60% of my money back. If I was a bodog winner, I wouldn't leave much money in there hands. good luck.
 
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Speak for yourself. I for one, especially in regard to cash out problems, want to know about any irregularities another experiences with poker sites. Recently several networks/sites have taken a plunge DGS JunglePoker, BJO, SportsBook just to name a few. I define a plunge as having reported operational or security breaches, non-responsive cash out policies, poor customer service, going out of business or conducting themselves in any way I deem suspicious. A recent, popular example of this last category is a "policy" that goes something like this :
"Come join out poker site, it's great, you can win a zillion dollars in our widely advertised freerolls!" Oh yes I forgot, either in an obscure or non-published place we meant to tell you "Sorry you can't cash out your freeroll winnings until you deposit x amount of your own money and play x number of raked hands first - sorry".
This has manifest itself in various ways - the most obvious of which are reluctance to cashout, not cashing players out, bounced checks, being taken out of various forums tournament rotation, etc. Frequently the earliest, best way to find out first hand is a post by someone you know and trust more than the poker sites. I know several people on CC from other forums I participate in. They are smart and knowledgeable and if they say something about a site, I do my own checking but I listen.

Let me give a plug, One of them :
PkrPlr4116 recently interviewed Tom McEvoy for Bluff Magazine! KUDOS!!!!!
I was one of the last people I know to actually receive negotiable funds from BJO/Junglepoker. I have heard of their recent attempts to revive themselves on another network - still owing at least two people I know money.

I say if you have information, I certainly want to hear about it. I will assume your are telling the truth but I am able to make the final determination. I am puzzled why there is always someone who says - don't worry don't talk about poker site's there is no problem. I am reminded about a player on another forum who wrote extensively how "Absolute was fine,....how they could not be a problem and how tired he was of conspiracy theorists" . Well a week later the "Absolute/Potripper" fiasco surfaced not to mention theV0id and rumblings of other security breaches.

Even after being here only a few months, I can start to glean the "personality" of the members whose blogs I read. I can determine who is angry,thoughtful, knowledgeable,a smart-aleck, a jerk, chicken little, a sycophant and so on. I would rather have too much information than have it censored for me.

Thanks for all the info, whether I agree with it or not - I can survive rumor, error and innuendo. Hopefully I will learn much among these pages. If nothing else to be a better editor.

For the record, although I cannot vouch for the data or operational integrity of UltimateBet. I like the site, I have had no problems cashing out there, their "deal" seem OK to me, but because of their association with Absolute (Vegas 24/7) I will play only with money I win there. For me, I think that's prudent under the circumstances.

Merlin333 :cool:
 
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I just withdrew a decent amount of money from bodog yesterday- I'll let you know how it goes for me.
 
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Bodog cashouts....New England Patriots lose...Think Bodog took a HUGE bath on that one? lmao...Enough to create a major cashflow problem? Just food for thought.:joyman:
 
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I have just recently started playing on Bodog. And hearing this certainly isn't settling.

Thanks for the heads up!
 
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What about the money transfer -- deposit directly to your ck. acct. You must deposit using this method to withdraw this way.
 
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Thank you for the heads up. Good to know.
 
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