A fishes attempt to become a bigger fish!

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Greetings folkes,
this is my first posting and it is a long one so please be nice...

A couple of nights ago I was playing in a MTT and it was going rather well, by the second break I had the third largest stack and was fairly smug of the nights development.

Then it happend got my fullhouse cracked by a quad. Not only i was knocked out in the next hand missing making cash, but i continued to spend the rest of my 1607 dollars on 100 dollar HU. (I know stupid)

To say that I tilted would be a slight understatement, I went into one of those meltdowns that you would expect from a defected nuclear plant, resulting with smashing the keyborad, the mouse and having only 7 bucks left on my account.

I have fixed the keyboard now in a contraption that even Mcgayver would be proud of and now gonna fix my bank roll and my game and ive got a plan with a twist:D

Im gonna grind my way upp to 1500 and blow it all in one 1500 buy in event - I KNOW IT IS STUPID, IT NEVER WORK OUT AND I WILL MOST PROB. GO BROKE.

But this is the idea behind the madness ( or it might just be madness but hear me out) The idea is that i will learn by experience quite a few essential things;

1. ive got to truly grind it out so that i can take my 7 bucks all the way upp to the 1500. in the time limit that i need to doit ( 1st of march).
To achieve that I cant do any stupid ass moves. I have to play effectivly and to the best of my ability - which hopefully will lead to me learning alot and develop as a player.

2. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING; at the end of it putting my entire roll on the line and "taking a shot" which will most prob. fail spectacularly; I will learn by experience that pipe dreams never work out, Ill get it out my system, and never play above my BR again. EVER!

Sorry about the long post, let me know what you think but please bear in mind that i am totally aware that the above plan is at best a very hard thing to achieve and also at the same time it can be considerd idiotic.
 
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Making the Max amount off your money will never be out of your system, try to have discipline now and just cont building your bank roll until you have 20,000 then start thinking about playing a 1,500.00 buy-in. I am only saying this because your line of thought is a complete ox-moron of a winning poker strategy good luck and good grinding.
 
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Almost every pro player on the planet will tell you to move up slowly. and not risk your entire bankroll on one game. They are not giving this advice to try to keep you down but to genuinely help you play better poker and not always go broke.:):)
 
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for my SnG's i ussually make sure if i lose i still have left enough to enter around 10 more
 
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well i understand the long haul process, but what if you're (i'm) actually a fairly talented player but you (I) can't afford to buy in more than $50 a month? it's VERY hard to win $2-$5 sng's to the point of actually creating a bankroll. the players just aren't that good. it's hard to win with so many fish beating odds time after time. what do you guys suggest i do being a self proclaimed very good player who can't afford more than $50?

maybe i should give up internet poker and only play live? i don't know what to do...
 
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if you are a talented player, playing at the low limits allows you build you bankroll with very limited risk. At the higher limits in comparison to your bankroll a string of bad cards (which happens to everyone regardless of skill) will destroy what you had done so far; at the lower limits you can take the bad beats but keep playing through them.
 
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Chris Fergusen turned nothing into 10 thoiusand dollars on fulltilt. But he didn't do it overnight it took a player of his caliber about a year and a half i think. In others words patience, patience patience.:):)
 
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That's the sickest plan I've ever heard of, I'm truely impressed by it, I'm not lying to you, I think that's a very smart idea, and would wish u the best of luck with it. Now with that said, just wondering, why dump it all in to 1 tourney, I mean if there even is such a thing that's $1500 tourneys on line, I would spread it to 3-$500 tourneys, or 12 $200 tourneys, or even 15 $100 tourneys, but no less, but best of luck with all things.
 
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rock on

good luck compadro......personnally I'd play as many 100 + 9 I could afford on march 1st.

peace
 
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My advice- seriously: QUIT! Now. Get some professional help. Ever hear of Responsible Gaming?
 
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If you want to waste $1500 might as well save it and head to Vegas and play one of the $1500 wsop events. At least then you'll have the experience for your dollars.
 
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That is one of the stupidest ideas I have really ever heard. Why would you work your ass off to get up to $1500 only to throw it all away in one go. Imagine if you got knocked out on the first hand of that tournament, you would probably throw a fit and break your computer. Just grind your way up and play tournaments you can afford, maybe play some satellites to get into bigger tournaments but don't blow everything in one go.
 
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Wow,
Thank god this forum is alive and thank you guys for your replies. Nothing worse then a forum that you post in and that there is like one or two replies.

Just a little update from last night;
initiall bank roll of 7$ is now 56$ although didnt grind all of it, played micro limits and won a freeroll but then again to go through a field of 1000+ scandinavian maniacs in a freeroll can be seen of some sort of a grind.

The tourney im thinking of is the Titan 2.000.000 on the second of march with a buy in of 1500. (First prize 420 000)

Yes I understand that at best it is a ox moron plan and at worst just plain stupid. And you guys are from logical point of view all correct. If some one else had posted the same thing I would have most probably said the same thing: 1. Spread the risk by many tourneys and 2. Seek professional help

But I hope you understand the madness behind the plan, I am really into NLP and modelling high achievers; and something that 99.9 precent of all Great Poker players have done is that by experience they learnd that well taking a shot rarly works out.

Now I do not have any illusions of grandeur, I am by no means a great player or even a good player (if i was i wouldnt be in this situation). At best I am a below average player, maybe not even that, but my ambition is to become better...

I think it is vital in ones poker education that one learns these things, and we tend to learn best by experience. I personally learn it now and get it out of my system then sitting on a huge bankroll and get that "itch"...

Any ways looking forward to your replies...

Take care and gl where ever you are.
 
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You can learn through experience but that experience doesn't have to be blowing $1500 in one tournament. I really can't comprehend why you would want to grind your way up to $1500 then take a risk to lose it all at once.

You can learn things in micro limit cash games, small buy in MTT and Sit & Gos. You can go read some books, watch some videos and watch some poker on TV. Everything will help you learn, you even admit that you aren't that great of a player.

I don't want to sound rude, but if you have that "itch" to play in such a high stakes game, I don't think you will be able to grind your way up to $1500. I think you will probably get bored or take a bad beat again and tilt off anything you've won. If you are going to get up to $1500 using proper bankroll management by March 2nd you will need to play A LOT and somehow avoid any kind of variance. Anyways, I'm kind of rambling on I really just think this is a terrible idea. What if you get kind of deep into that tournament but go out just before the cash, do you really think that "itch" will be scratched? I doubt it.
 
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Sean thanks for your reply and points of concern,
There is some logic behind the madness of this plan, although it might be quite twisted logic;

1. To achieve the plan I am forced to correctly manage my BR and play within the limits that it allows, no room for taking shots etc there. With that I learn something very important; how to build, maintain and manage a BR.

2. By blowing it all at one event, I once again learn something vital. THAT TAKING SHOTS DO NOT WORK!

3. As you put it, to achieve the target by that date I am forced to play alot which in turn give me more experience. and you can never have to much of that at the tables.

As the greek philosopher Socrates put it about learning;
- Tell me and I will forget
- Show me and I might rememmber
- Alow me to experience it and I will never forget

You have some valid points and thank you for raising them especially;

The possiblity of going deep in the tournament and not satisfying the itch no matter if make cash or not, something that sort of would defy the entire purpose of the excercise. Should have thought about that and will do when i get to the target.

However please bear in mind that the above excercise is part of my other learning activities, and for me a way of spicing things up and learning in a fun way. And yes I do read books and watch videos etc ;)
I dont play poker to make money, I have a great lifestyle and do not need the money and have no intention or illusions of going "pro". I just want to become a better player, and for me this is just a fun way to learn.

Learning should be fun right?
 
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i stopped reaing after i saw 7$INTO 1500 by march 1st if you went into a melt down that fast that 7 wont last......i think that you should deposit a little more and then grind it out.....if you make a couple dont go right to the big sngs and blow it all...grind....grind....grind
 
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listen, I know that throwing fire into a huge tank of gas makes for one hell of an explosion, but im never gonna do it just so I can "learn" it. It sounds to me like you have already learned it and want to spend 1500 on a tourney.

I have the same kind of "problem" as you, so I am going to the WSOP in June and playing in one of the smaller buyin events, however unlike you I have the money set aside already. If you get up to 1500 by JUNE 1st then I say you just play in a WSOP event, it will satisfy the itch, you can see/talk/play with pros, and its a hell of a lot better expierience thant he titan 2mil.

Just my advice, but best of luck to ya
 
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well i understand the long haul process, but what if you're (i'm) actually a fairly talented player but you (I) can't afford to buy in more than $50 a month? it's VERY hard to win $2-$5 sng's to the point of actually creating a bankroll. the players just aren't that good. it's hard to win with so many fish beating odds time after time. what do you guys suggest i do being a self proclaimed very good player who can't afford more than $50?

maybe i should give up internet poker and only play live? i don't know what to do...

If you can not afforded 50 a month do not go to live play, unless you limit yourself to home games with micro stakes but there is not going to be much money there. I recommend starting at 1-2 NL ( need at least 300.00 bank roll ) but the rake is still going to be tough to beat. For this reason I would save up around a 1000.00 and play 2-5 NL ( or 5-10 Limit ) this will allow you to be comfortable with a few bullets and at those stakes you have a much better chance at betting the rake ( not to mention tipping the dealer )
 
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Sean thanks for your reply and points of concern,
There is some logic behind the madness of this plan, although it might be quite twisted logic;

1. To achieve the plan I am forced to correctly manage my BR and play within the limits that it allows, no room for taking shots etc there. With that I learn something very important; how to build, maintain and manage a BR.

2. By blowing it all at one event, I once again learn something vital. THAT TAKING SHOTS DO NOT WORK!

3. As you put it, to achieve the target by that date I am forced to play alot which in turn give me more experience. and you can never have to much of that at the tables.


Learning should be fun right?

In reference to point 2.......YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS!!! I'm not yelling, I'm empahasizing.......you've said it in all 4 of your posts that taking a shot doesn't work....the downside is......if it DOES work.....and say you final table the tourney and win 100k.....you're going to blow a lot of THAT money by playing above your experience level.

Learning should be fun, but you're learning simply by playing a 3 dollar sit and go.
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take three weeks off , then quit . :)
 
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Grind, Grind, Grind...It would be insanity to dump it all into the next level for a single shot.

Learn how to never go on tilt. It's a game, there is risk and it makes no sense at all to get upset at yourself or others if you loose.

If you start feeling like you absolutely have no choice but to put it all on the line for one shot, take Jay's advice!


take three weeks off , then quit . :)
 
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I don't think this is the best course of action bro. It's kind of like you saying you need to get smacked in the face to know it hurts.....when you already know that.
 
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Guys Ive wanna thank you for the advices that you have given,
It been a couple of days now since i posted the plan, Im making head way BR is upp to 71.48. However I understand that you are right and that I was still mentally steaming/tilting although i wasnt doing that at the tables.
You know how it gets you get so disgusted by your play that you just wanna blow everything. Now having said that Im still gonna continue with building the bankroll however not going to blow it at one game.
As i said in the first posting it can be seen as a idiotic idea and now looking back at well it is just a stupid idea.
thanks for beating some sense to me.

thanks again and gl where ever your are
 
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